Anyone still think Reggie McNeal can't play QB in the NFL?

[parchy]

Actually, Young Reminds me more of a taller, slightly faster version of Steve Young.

Doesn't change that Vick is the closest thing we have to VY in the NFL.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Stats are stats... don't compare Vick's NFL stats to McNeal's college stats... it's not fair. Vick's accuracy in college was the same as McNeal's.

And Vick ran normal, pro style offense

Mcneal ran the spread offense, based on the option, playaction and deep throws.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Doesn't change that Vick is the closest thing we have to VY in the NFL.

I know, but Vick just doesnt remind me at all of Young. Big Ben reminds of Young more than Vick.

 

[parchy]

And Vick ran normal, pro style offense

Mcneal ran the spread offense, based on the option, playaction and deep throws.

Vick's offense was heavily, heavily based on options and designed QB runs. Not exactly a "pro style offense."

In any case, McNeal's passing % was just as low as Vick's was in college. You can dress it up however you like, but that doesn't change.

 

[VThokie7]

And Vick ran normal, pro style offense

Mcneal ran the spread offense, based on the option, playaction and deep throws.

Virginia Tech does not run a pro style offense, and they certainly didn't when Vick was here.

 

[Tio]

I know, but Vick just doesnt remind me at all of Young. Big Ben reminds of Young more than Vick.

Agreed, other then the qirky motion (they are different from eachother, but both unorthodox) they aren't that similar at all. VIcks arm is stronger but he is less accurate, he is faster but weaker, lighter and shorter.

 

[parchy]

I know, but Vick just doesnt remind me at all of Young. Big Ben reminds of Young more than Vick.

They're not that similar, but you can't really compare him to McChunky or Culpepper and he's not quite as quick as Vick, so it's kind of a toss-up.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Funny man, I know what it is, I also know scouts aren't fooled by gimicky offenses. There is a reason Grossman went in the first round, he has a strong arm, intelligent and has good pocket presence. If not for his injury problems he would probably be a solid NFL qb.

You should really stop with the degrading, it works both ways "Grossman wasn't a top 25 heismann prospect."

They were obviously fooled by Andre Ware, who won the Heisman in the run and shoot offense.

They were also fooled by Gino Torreta. People are still trying to figure what offense he ran...

Ty Detmer, another fun and gun QB, comes to mind as well

 

[The30YardSlant]

Virginia Tech does not run a pro style offense, and they certainly didn't when Vick was here.

By pro style, I didnt mean 2 TEs, 1 back an 2 WR, I meant normal offensive sets that NFL teams run. They used the I, the Ace formation, the shotgun, etc.

They did not run a gimmick spread offense that screwed with Vick's ability

 

[The30YardSlant]

Vick's offense was heavily, heavily based on options and designed QB runs. Not exactly a "pro style offense."

In any case, McNeal's passing % was just as low as Vick's was in college. You can dress it up however you like, but that doesn't change.

Designed QB runs, yes, but he does that in the NFL. So do Culpepper and McChunky. But I don't remember him running alot of option. I remember option passes, but not alot of spread the defense and run the option plays like A&M did.

 

[VThokie7]

They were obviously fooled by Andre Ware, who won the Heisman in the run and shoot offense.

They were also fooled by Gino Torreta. People are still trying to figure what offense he ran...

Ty Detmer, another fun and gun QB, comes to mind as well

Andre Ware deserved the heisman. The award is about college production. You can't even try to take that away from a player because they play in a "system". It still takes the right player to run those systems. There are plenty of players who can be extremely productive in college such as Torreta and Detmer and never have that transition to the NFL. Despite that there is no taking away the simple fact they were exceptional college players.

 

[parchy]

By pro style, I didnt mean 2 TEs, 1 back an 2 WR, I meant normal offensive sets that NFL teams run. They used the I, the Ace formation, the shotgun, etc.

They did not run a gimmick spread offense that screwed with Vick's ability

The offensive sets don't mean jack. What they did with them in no way resembled anything an NFL team does.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Andre Ware deserved the heisman. The award is about college production. You can't even try to take that away from a player because they play in a "system". It still takes the right player to run those systems. There are plenty of players who can be extremely productive in college such as Torreta and Detmer and never have that transition to the NFL. Despite that there is no taking away the simple fact they were exceptional college players.

If it takes the right player, then why can Texas tech have a 5,000 yard passer every year, even though most of them are barely D-1A prospects?

The system makes the player in college, not the other way around. I could throw for 5,000 yards and 30 TDs in the fun and gun.

 

[parchy]

Designed QB runs, yes, but he does that in the NFL. So do Culpepper and McChunky. But I don't remember him running alot of option. I remember option passes, but not alot of spread the defense and run the option plays like A&M did.

McNabb and Culpepper do not have designed QB runs. Period.

And I have Vick's entire senior season on VHS, and they ran the option just as much as any college team I've ever seen. They ran it a ton.

 

[Tio]

Andre Ware deserved the heisman. The award is about college production. You can't even try to take that away from a player because they play in a "system". It still takes the right player to run those systems. There are plenty of players who can be extremely productive in college such as Torreta and Detmer and never have that transition to the NFL. Despite that there is no taking away the simple fact they were exceptional college players.

What is your opinion on Grossman? I don't think he was a system qb, just a good qb in a good system...

 

[Tio]

If it takes the right player, then why can Texas tech have a 5,000 yard passer every year, even though most of them are barely D-1A prospects?

The system makes the player in college, not the other way around. I could throw for 5,000 yards and 30 TDs in the fun and gun.

OOC scheduling has something to do with it.

 

[The30YardSlant]

The offensive sets don't mean jack. What they did with them in no way resembled anything an NFL team does.

The falcons sure as hell do a lot of things VT did. Designed QB runs. Fake QB runs where he drops back after acting like its a draw. A lot of short passes.

 

[parchy]

The falcons sure as hell do a lot of things VT did. Designed QB runs. Fake QB runs where he drops back after acting like its a draw. A lot of short passes.

Still nothing like VT. Not even close.

 

[The30YardSlant]

McNabb and Culpepper do not have designed QB runs. Period.

And I have Vick's entire senior season on VHS, and they ran the option just as much as any college team I've ever seen. They ran it a ton.

Are you serious? McNabb runs them on 3rd and less than 5 at least once a game. Culpepper in the king of drop back, pump fake, and take off for 3-4 yards on short yardage downs.

McNabb runs more bootlegs than everyone but Vick

 

[parchy]

Are you serious? McNabb runs them on 3rd and less than 5 at least once a game. Culpepper in the king of drop back, pump fake, and take off for 3-4 yards on short yardage downs.

McNabb runs more bootlegs than everyone but Vick

It's *almost* always improv