Attention all those that hate our draft!

[hendog]

Goose and those in Valley Ranch would be about the only ones. There was definitely better talent to be had with both those picks. Williams, though, is intriguing and I don't mind. Brewster on the other hand was a reach and not even the best OL available.

I'm not necesarily a Goose fan I just think that his top 100 is well respected in the league with coaches and GM's. I wasn't a big fan of the Brewster pick at the time but apparantly other teams had him rated there and they didn't think he would last til the 4th. I wanted Duke Robinson but no one running a war room did.

 

[DFWJC]

Not really a hater here, but here is what I would have done--including flexiblity:

2(51) OT-W. Beatty, CB/S-S. Smith, DT- S-D. Marks
3(69) DE- M. Johnson, C- A. Caldwell, WR- B Tate
4(101) WR- M. Thomas, QB- S. McGee
4(117) CB- DJ. Moore, DE-L Sidbury, WR- L Murphey
5(156) CB- V Harris, OT- F. Tapou, OT- J Merideth
5(166) SS- K Hamlin, OT- H. Johnson, QB- N. Davis
5(172) QB- T. Brandstater, CB-C. Francis, etc
6(197) SS- S. Hodge
6(208) K- D Buehler, TE- J Phillips, G- P Fanika
7(210) C- AQ Shipley, CB M. Mickens, WR D Byrd
7(227) CB- M Mickens, QB- B Hoyer, S- E Cook


I also would have considered trading up slighty to grab E Brown, Sintum, Barwin, or Unger...maybe even Maulauga...but some of those require an entire different approach and would be expensive (a 4th or 3rd)

thoughts?

 

[Bach]

And BP and Ireland just drafted pat white with their 2nd. Would you have liked that if JJ and wade would have made that pick? Just curious?

With us having Romo, no, I wouldn't have wanted a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round. Their situation is obviously different. I think they were in the market for a QB.

Also, a note about your mention of Gosselin defending our third round picks - he still only gave us a C grade, which is about as high as I've seen a draft reporter/publication give us. I have us as a D+/C-. He also gave the Eagles and Giants B's, which goes along with what many have said about them having much better drafts than us and improving more than us.

So bottomline is that just about everyone except the homers here think we had a subpar draft, especially in comparison with the two other top teams in our division. So I don't know why anyone keeps attacking and criticizing those of us with the same opinions as most of the experts.

 

[Doomsday101]

It's not just fans on this board. The consensus among draft experts in the league and draft-only sites have us having a subpar draft.

Of course I'm sure you trusted Jerry and Lacewell in the mid to late '90s' over everyone else too. That really worked out well didn't it?

And one more thing, last year draft, Ireland had scouted all the players during the season and we had all of his notes and scouts reports to work off of. This is the first draft that Jerry and the current scouting department did fully on their own without any input from Ireland and/or Parcells since '01.

You are so full of a S*** most give Dallas a passing grade however they are not going to give out top grades with teams with no 1st rd picks tend not to hand out top grades. Ireland did not run last years draft neither did BP they did however draft pat white in the 2nd that was a real good move don't you think. Again you spend all your time ragging on Dallas so it is expected that is all you have to offer nothing more than the same old BS

 

[Silverstar]

With us having Romo, no, I wouldn't have wanted a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round. Their situation is obviously different. I think they were in the market for a QB.

Also, a note about your mention of Gosselin defending our third round picks - he still only gave us a C grade, which is about as high as I've seen a draft reporter/publication give us. I have us as a D+/C-. He also gave the Eagles and Giants B's, which goes along with what many have said about them having much better drafts than us and improving more than us.

So bottomline is that just about everyone except the homers here think we had a subpar draft, especially in comparison with the two other top teams in our division. So I don't know why anyone keeps attacking and criticizing those of us with the same opinions as most of the experts.

Do you have anything positive to say about the Cowboys offseason so far?

Not ragging on you Bach, just curious what has been positive in your opinion....if anything.

 

[hendog]

With us having Romo, no, I wouldn't have wanted a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round. Their situation is obviously different. I think they were in the market for a QB.

Also, a note about your mention of Gosselin defending our third round picks - he still only gave us a C grade, which is about as high as I've seen a draft reporter/publication give us. I have us as a D+/C-. He also gave the Eagles and Giants B's, which goes along with what many have said about them having much better drafts than us and improving more than us.

So bottomline is that just about everyone except the homers here think we had a subpar draft, especially in comparison with the two other top teams in our division. So I don't know why anyone keeps attacking and criticizing those of us with the same opinions as most of the experts.

I'm not trying to attack you I'm just trying to have a discussion. You have every right to your opinion as do I and I think you make some valid points.

That said. The fins have Pennington and Henne so I don't think their situation is all that different than ours. They wanted a 3rd QB to develop and picked white in 2. I don't think they picked him just to be a wildcat QB. If we had picked him in the 2nd I don't think I'd have been happy about it.

 

[Bach]

You are so full of a S*** most give Dallas a passing grade however they are not going to give out top grades with teams with no 1st rd picks tend not to hand out top grades. Ireland did not run last years draft neither did BP they did however draft pat white in the 2nd that was a real good move don't you think. Again you spend all your time ragging on Dallas so it is expected that is all you have to offer nothing more than the same old BS

Most give Dallas a passing grade. If by passing you mean above an F then you might be right. But in reality most are giving Dallas D's and low C's, which translates into subpar, which is exactly what I've been saying. So I do believe that you're the one full of S***.

And yes, Ireland left a year ago following the season, which means he was here compiling info on the college talent throught the entire regular season and bowl season. We had that info to work by for last years draft.

And I've consistently said last year's draft was one of our best in recent years, so how is it again that I am constantly ragging on Dallas when I have done nothing but praise last years draft? That's right, you're full of S*** so that's how you come to that conclusion.

 

[Bach]

Do you have anything positive to say about the Cowboys offseason so far?

Not ragging on you Bach, just curious what has been positive in your opinion....if anything.

Do you think we had a better than average draft this past weekend?

As for the offseason, yeah, I like the Olshansky signing and agreed with letting TO go. But this has been about the draft, which I think is subpar.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I was not interested in what Miami did but I think it shows how weak this draft was when guys like Pat White who many felt was a day 2 pick went in day 1. I don't see our selection as camp fodder or HOF but then who knows when talking about 3rd picks and later that could be said about any team in this draft.

Yer right about one thing: who knows when talking about 3rd picks and later.
And that was the problem: Selling the farm for a few plowhorses in the latter rounds who are even more of a mystery than those in the early rounds.

 

[Bach]

I'm not trying to attack you I'm just trying to have a discussion. You have every right to your opinion as do I and I think you make some valid points.

That said. The fins have Pennington and Henne so I don't think their situation is all that different than ours. They wanted a 3rd QB to develop and picked white in 2. I don't think they picked him just to be a wildcat QB. If we had picked him in the 2nd I don't think I'd have been happy about it.

I think Pennington is another of BP's stopgaps who did well last year but isn't their long term answer. Henne is a young project who is anything but a sure thing. They do have a need at QB. That said, I still am not high on Pat White, but their track record has been pretty solid when it comes to the draft so I'll defer to that. But personally, I wouldn't have taken him.

 

[Bach]

Yer right about one thing: who knows when talking about 3rd picks and later.
And that was the problem: Selling the farm for a few plowhorses in the latter rounds who are even more of a mystery than those in the early rounds.

Good way to put it. You have a better chance getting a good player at #51 than at #75 and #110. But I think Jerry knows his track record and opted to play the odds than risk having to pick on guy in the 2nd.

 

[Doomsday101]

Most give Dallas a passing grade. If by passing you mean above an F then you might be right. But in reality most are giving Dallas D's and low C's, which translates into subpar, which is exactly what I've been saying. So I do believe that you're the one full of S***.

And yes, Ireland left a year ago following the season, which means he was here compiling info on the college talent throught the entire regular season and bowl season. We had that info to work by for last years draft.

And I've consistently said last year's draft was one of our best in recent years, so how is it again that I am constantly ragging on Dallas when I have done nothing but praise last years draft? That's right, you're full of S*** so that's how you come to that conclusion.

Ireland did play a part however was out of Dallas before any draft board was put into place and that info comes from many people working in the scouting department as the Head of scouting his job is to gather the info and help put together the draft however Ireland was out of Dallas even before many of the college bowl games where played that year

 

[TellerMorrow34]

And why didn't we have any 1st or 2nd round players???

Also, once we did get to the third and fourth rounds, you don't then go and draft 4th and 5th round talent.

Of course I know this doesn't mean anything to some on here. I mean, we could've drafted 12 guys rated as 7th rounders and we'd have people justifying it and making excuses.

And on the other side of the coin we could have taken 3-4 guys in the 2nd and 3rd round that many liked but there would still be a whole load of people on here hating the picks.

It works both ways.

 

[Randy White]

They should have been making plans to boldly go up in the draft to get better players like Ungar instead of looking of ways to stay at 51. The Stooges running Valley Ranch couldn't draft their way out of a paper bag...

Same thing in the Third... We should have used some of those picks we had to get the best available player at the bottom of the second.

Very bad braintrust we have running the Dallas Cowboys I'd say.:bang2:

I'll trust that they know what they were doing, even if I don't agree with them.

We'll see.

 

[Bach]

Ireland did play a part however was out of Dallas before any draft board was put into place and that info comes from many people working in the scouting department as the Head of scouting his job is to gather the info and help put together the draft however Ireland was out of Dallas even before many of the college bowl games where played that year

So I take it you agree with me that this is the first draft that Ireland didn't play a part in since '01?

 

[Doomsday101]

Yer right about one thing: who knows when talking about 3rd picks and later.
And that was the problem: Selling the farm for a few plowhorses in the latter rounds who are even more of a mystery than those in the early rounds.

Depends on how much you think of those ahead of you and what you think their value is.

 

[Silverstar]

Do you think we had a better than average draft this past weekend?

I'd give it a B- grade.

If you look up my 4 mock drafts, I wanted Jason Williams on our team very, very badly. I had him either at #51 or #69, that's how much I wanted him in a Cowboy uniform. So, I'm very happy about the fact we grabbed him and I know a lot of teams hate us for taking him there. Brooking is a stop gap player and I wanted a Patrick Willis type of player there. Not saying Williams is going to be a Willis clone, but everything about him physically points in that direction for me. Brewster, McGee, Hamlin, Hodge and Mickens were solid picks where they were drafted IMO. I don't see anything wrong as far as talent, with those picks at those particular slots. The rest I'm not sure about, but we'll just see like so many other drafts.

 

[LittleD]

I think you trust too much...
But in any case, since we are America's team, I think it's time for Obama to take over the Cowboys and kick Jerry's arse to the curb. No one could run it any worse than Jerry has.... Maybe Pelosi can do much better.....

 

[Doomsday101]

So I take it you agree with me that this is the first draft that Ireland didn't play a part in since '01?

Ireland play a part as did our current head of scouting Tom Ciskowski who was a big part of putting the draft board together. Ireland was out of here before that was ever done. I also have trust in Tom Ciskowski. You don't fine we will see what these players do and how off or on Tom Ciskowski was in his evaluation of these players

 

[Apollo Creed]

I didn't like our draft because I felt we drafted like we are a 13-3 team.

We let some impact players fall right in front of us, and I felt like we settled almost every time we picked. Just my opinion.