Auburn wins

[big dog cowboy]

Well, we're getting 4 teams next year but I don't see these controversies going away anytime soon. There will always be team #5 who felt screwed.

That may be true to a certain extent but I don't care. A 4 team playoff is light years better than anything in history. At no time can I think of a team ranked #5 crying because they didn't get a chance at a championship.

 

[Rogah]

That may be true to a certain extent but I don't care. A 4 team playoff is light years better than anything in history. At no time can I think of a team ranked #5 crying because they didn't get a chance at a championship.

You're kidding, right? Every year, we hear whining from the #69 "bubble" team which gets left out of the NCAA Basketball tournament. It will be 100 times worse for football. Taking this year as an example of what could happen next year, Okie State would have a legit reason to be pretty upset if they win the Big 12 and gets left out of the playoff for an Alabama team which did not win their conference.

 

[joseephuss]

You're kidding, right? Every year, we hear whining from the #69 "bubble" team which gets left out of the NCAA Basketball tournament. It will be 100 times worse for football. Taking this year as an example of what could happen next year, Okie State would have a legit reason to be pretty upset if they win the Big 12 and gets left out of the playoff for an Alabama team which did not win their conference.

Of course there will be complaints, but it is still better than the current system. Okie State has no right to complain after losing to a bad WVU this season. That is not a quality loss.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Okie State has no right to complain after losing to a bad WVU this season. That is not a quality loss.

That was a "miracle" win.

WVU has gotten worse as the season progressed.

 

[jterrell]

I wished Auburn and tOSU played this year. I think Ohio State would beat them pretty soundly. It would be a rematch of the Utah/Alabama game back in 2009.

Ohio State is 3rd in the Country in Scoring Offense.
Auburn is 17th.
Ohio State is 2nd in the Country in Rushing Offense.
Auburn is 5th.
Ohio State is 85th in the Country in Passing Offense.
Auburn is 107th.
Ohio State is 6th in the Country in Total Offense.
Auburn is 15th.
Ohio State is 18th in the Country in Scoring Defense.
Auburn is 31st.
Ohio State is 5th in the Country in Rushing Defense.
Auburn is 57th.
Ohio State is 101st in the Country in Pass Defense.
Auburn is 100th.
Ohio State is 30th in the Country in Total Defense.
Auburn is 76th.

In almost every area, Ohio State is better then Auburn. Now, some may say that it's because the SEC is so much better then the Big 10 is but is it really all that much better?

This is where I almost sound like Burm.
Yes, the SEC is that much better than the Big 10.

All the averaged numbers mean absolutely nothing because none of it is in any context.
It is like claiming Northern Illinois would rush for 300 yards a game in the SEC.

OSU is a very good football team but they are clearly not a great nor consistent football team.
They rely on athletic skill players to make big plays on offense (which is very hard versus SEC teams) and play solid but hardly outstanding defense.

Auburn would be BY FAR the best offense OSU has faced all year.

All that being said, Auburn has proven they will give up lots of yards and points to good offenses.
I think Auburn would benefit from all its close games and having Malzahn as the play caller to beat OSU but I suspect it would be quite close.
Maybe 41-37 or some such.

2008 Utah resembles 2013 OSU hardly at all. And 2008 Bama was ALL about the kids. Lots of talent on that Bama team but they were all freshman and sophomores in Saban's 2nd season.

 

[joseephuss]

That was a "miracle" win.

WVU has gotten worse as the season progressed.

WVU lost to Maryland 37-0 the week before the face Oklahoma St., so they weren't that good at the start of the season.

 

[jterrell]

Of course there will be complaints, but it is still better than the current system. Okie State has no right to complain after losing to a bad WVU this season. That is not a quality loss.

Alabama would have no right to complain either. When your special teams is that bad and you try that hard to lose a game you can't cry.

Good teams will stub their toe if they play tough competition.
1 loss teams from major conferences have every right to a playoff spot which is why it shouldn't be locked in at 4.

Auburn has ZERO right to be the 3rd ranked team in the country right now.
They held off TAMU on a late drive, won on a miracle tipped pass in another game and of course had every break known to man to upset Bama at home.
They got emotionally boosted because they won the game of the century but they are not the 3rd best team in the country.
The defense allows too many points so they could lose at almost anytime on a single mistake to a good offensive team.

The SEC is a great league but all the good teams do not face each other. It's hit and miss. And it's very inequitable.
But the SEC CG tries to correct some of that.

Bama played NONE of the top 4 SEC West teams.
They played a non-conf of VaTech,Colo St, Georgia State and Chattanooga.
That's downright terrible.

OKST have an opponents winning % of 55.6. That's 17th highest in the country.
Bama has 50.5 which is 79th highest.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This is where I almost sound like Burm.
Yes, the SEC is that much better than the Big 10.

All the averaged numbers mean absolutely nothing because none of it is in any context.
It is like claiming Northern Illinois would rush for 300 yards a game in the SEC.

OSU is a very good football team but they are clearly not a great nor consistent football team.
They rely on athletic skill players to make big plays on offense (which is very hard versus SEC teams) and play solid but hardly outstanding defense.

Auburn would be BY FAR the best offense OSU has faced all year.

All that being said, Auburn has proven they will give up lots of yards and points to good offenses.
I think Auburn would benefit from all its close games and having Malzahn as the play caller to beat OSU but I suspect it would be quite close.
Maybe 41-37 or some such.

2008 Utah resembles 2013 OSU hardly at all. And 2008 Bama was ALL about the kids. Lots of talent on that Bama team but they were all freshman and sophomores in Saban's 2nd season.

I don't agree. Ohio State is the most consistent team in the country. 24-0 and counting. If that's not consistent, then I don't know what is. Also, your statement about Auburn's Offense being the best OSU faces goes both ways. If Auburn played Ohio State, that offense would also be the best offense the Tigers would face all year.

OSU is much better then people are giving them credit for IMO. I'd love to see that game but I doubt we will.

However, if it did happen, it would be just like in 2009 when all the SEC happy fans gave Utah no chance to beat Alabama, simply because Bama was in the SEC. Same situation all over again IMO.

 

[WV Cowboy]

WVU lost to Maryland 37-0 the week before the face Oklahoma St., so they weren't that good at the start of the season.

True, ... but they took Texas to OT and beat OK St. They let the Texas game slip away, should have won it. What's up with that?

Not crazy about Holgorsen, .. his idea of football, and mine, are way different.

Stuck with him for a while though.

Plus, they did get worse as the season went on, losing to Kansas and blowing a 31-7 lead to all powerful Iowa St. (who was 2-9 or something)

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

True, ... but they took Texas to OT and beat OK St. They let the Texas game slip away, should have won it. What's up with that?

Not crazy about Holgorsen, .. his idea of football, and mine, are way different.

Stuck with him for a while though.

Plus, they did get worse as the season went on, losing to Kansas and blowing a 31-7 lead to all powerful Iowa St. (who was 2-9 or something)

I don't think they let the Texas game slip away. I think they got beat in that game. Great game, no question but I don't think it's fair to say that they had the win and let it slip away, if that is what you are trying to say.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I don't think they let the Texas game slip away. I think they got beat in that game. Great game, no question but I don't think it's fair to say that they had the win and let it slip away, if that is what you are trying to say.

We had a 2nd and 1 and 3rd and 1 to pick up a first down that would have iced the game. We punted.

Then Texas had 4th and 8, if they don't get it we ice the game. We let shipley get 9 yards. My wife knew they were throwing to shipley.

We didn't let it slip away, we basically gave it away.

 

[joseephuss]

Texas is not that good of a team this year. It isn't a great accomplishment to almost beat them.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Texas is not that good of a team this year. It isn't a great accomplishment to almost beat them.

It is if you are 4-8

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

We had a 2nd and 1 and 3rd and 1 to pick up a first down that would have iced the game. We punted.

Then Texas had 4th and 8, if they don't get it we ice the game. We let shipley get 9 yards. My wife knew they were throwing to shipley.

We didn't let it slip away, we basically gave it away.

You gave up 435 yards in that game. The WV defense couldn't stop Shipley or the Texas Offense all night and they couldn't get off the field on 3rd down in the second half. Texas was 9-14 on 3rd down in the second half. Also, the Texas D sacked the heck out of WV in that game. They also made plays. I understand your view on the 2nd and 1 but it's not like WV made a mistake. Texas stopped WV for no gain on 2nd a 1 and then stopped WV for a loss of 1 on 3rd down, making it 4th and 2. I think you have to give Texas D credit there.

WV played a heck of a game but they came up short. It is what it is.

 

[jterrell]

I don't agree. Ohio State is the most consistent team in the country. 24-0 and counting. If that's not consistent, then I don't know what is. Also, your statement about Auburn's Offense being the best OSU faces goes both ways. If Auburn played Ohio State, that offense would also be the best offense the Tigers would face all year.

OSU is much better then people are giving them credit for IMO. I'd love to see that game but I doubt we will.

However, if it did happen, it would be just like in 2009 when all the SEC happy fans gave Utah no chance to beat Alabama, simply because Bama was in the SEC. Same situation all over again IMO.

Ohio State is winning consistently but given whom they played who exactly was supposed to beat them? Minnesota who gave them a game?
They've played 1 team that is currently ranked in the top 25 all year. A 3 loss Wisconsin team they beat by a TD.
They have zero top 20 wins. ZERO. Against the best Big 10 teams they've faced they won by 7 or 10 points.

That's very real.

The SEC is mightily overrated but that doesn't make the OSU schedule any more real. It isn't.
It's flat terrible.

In 2008 Saban was in his 2nd year and the SEC was just gaining a foothold as the best conference. UT and USC were bigger powerhouses than anyone in the SEC at the time.
Now the SEC is considered the NFL's developmental league. That's a very different concept from 2008.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Ohio State is winning consistently but given whom they played who exactly was supposed to beat them? Minnesota who gave them a game?
They've played 1 team that is currently ranked in the top 25 all year. A 3 loss Wisconsin team they beat by a TD.
They have zero top 20 wins. ZERO. Against the best Big 10 teams they've faced they won by 7 or 10 points.

That's very real.

The SEC is mightily overrated but that doesn't make the OSU schedule any more real. It isn't.
It's flat terrible.

In 2008 Saban was in his 2nd year and the SEC was just gaining a foothold as the best conference. UT and USC were bigger powerhouses than anyone in the SEC at the time.
Now the SEC is considered the NFL's developmental league. That's a very different concept from 2008.

You play who is on the schedule. The only close game that they have played this year is Michigan, in the Big House. That's not an easy game in Nov/Dec and it's a huge rivalry game for OSU. Other then that, they have dominated the rest of their schedule. Wisconsin by 7, a game in which they lost Miller, their starting QB. I don't know how you fault them for that.

In 2008, Florida was the National Champion, also an SEC team. Bama's only losses that year were to Florida in the last game of the SEC season and Utah. The prior year, LSU (also an SEC team) were the NCs. IN 2006, Florida was again the NCs (SEC).

The SEC was not exactly the weak little sister even then. Bama was still very good, even then. Obviously, Bama is better now but I would not say the SEC is better. SEC was probably better then, as opposed to now.

Be that as it may, it doesn't matter because you play the schedule you have. You can't say that Auburn is better. Auburn could easily be a 3 loss team right now, if not for devine intervention. Ohio State has won, pretty easily all this season.

 

[WV Cowboy]

You gave up 435 yards in that game. The WV defense couldn't stop Shipley or the Texas Offense all night and they couldn't get off the field on 3rd down in the second half. Texas was 9-14 on 3rd down in the second half. Also, the Texas D sacked the heck out of WV in that game. They also made plays. I understand your view on the 2nd and 1 but it's not like WV made a mistake. Texas stopped WV for no gain on 2nd a 1 and then stopped WV for a loss of 1 on 3rd down, making it 4th and 2. I think you have to give Texas D credit there.

WV played a heck of a game but they came up short. It is what it is.

If you are at home and need 1 yard to ice the game, and have two plays to get it, but can't get it, .. you suck.

I do give Texas credit, my original post was giving Texas credit by saying we played well that game but fell apart by the end of the season.

Trust me, I am not defending WV on the football field this season.

Like I said, I don't care for Holgorsen's brand of football. Our two best players are Sims, our RB, and Cody Clay, our TE. Sims got 1,000 yds even though Holgorsen didn't use him until the final 2-3 games. Our TE could have been used the way Texas Tech uses their TE, (although ours is not as good) but I'm betting he didn't even have 10 catches this season.

We don't have a QB and Holgorsen wants to throw it all over the playground.

He goes for it on 4th down on our side of the 50 every other game or so.

Can't wait until DH is gone.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If you are at home and need 1 yard to ice the game, and have two plays to get it, but can't get it, .. you suck.

I do give Texas credit, my original post was giving Texas credit by saying we played well that game but fell apart by the end of the season.

Trust me, I am not defending WV on the football field this season.

Like I said, I don't care for Holgorsen's brand of football. Our two best players are Sims, our RB, and Cody Clay, our TE. Sims got 1,000 yds even though Holgorsen didn't use him until the final 2-3 games. Our TE could have been used the way Texas Tech uses their TE, (although ours is not as good) but I'm betting he didn't even have 10 catches this season.

We don't have a QB and Holgorsen wants to throw it all over the playground.

He goes for it on 4th down on our side of the 50 every other game or so.

Can't wait until DH is gone.

Well, I can certainly understand your position on being able to make a yard with 2 cracks at it at home. I think anybody probably feels like you should be able to do that.

I am not a huge fan of Holgorsen's either but I am not close enough to WV to really have an opinion that is anything more then just cursory.

Sims is definitely a player. Clay, I didn't see enough of to say one way or the other. I'll tell you though, I was impressed with Mario Alfred. That kid looks like he can scoot. Also, not sure which one, but you have a tall CB that plays some pretty good Man Press, looked like. Was impressed with all of those guys.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Was impressed with all of those guys.

Although I do feel we could always improve talent, .. I too think we have some talent on this team.

I honestly don't think DH puts them in position to succeed.

And DeForest has been awful since he has been here. He was DC last year and our D was atrocious.

They moved him to special teams this season, .. and out ST had some of the stupidest mental blunders all season long.

I am no football coach so it sounds crazy me saying this, .. but DH just does not seem to understand the principles of football 101.

Just throw it all the time.

 

[big dog cowboy]

You're kidding, right? Every year, we hear whining from the #69 "bubble" team which gets left out of the NCAA Basketball tournament.

Not kidding at all. Let the #69 bubble team whine all day and all night it's not like they were going to win any games. They don't deserve to be in the tournament and neither does the #5 football team. A 4 team tournament is so much better than what we have today and it's not even close. Been waiting on this for years and years.