Audio: Jerry Jones lays down the law!!!

[Rampage]

Would you rather have Bidwell, Al Davis, Bud Adams, Daniel Snyder, ect......

Be careful what you wish for, the next owner of the Boyz might be a clone of one of these jokers. The next owner might be more interested in making money for himself and spending jack on the team (see Clevland Browns).

We could do alot worse than Jerry, trust me.

Jerry isn't much different than those guys imo.

 

[Hostile]

I could only get through 3 pages of replies. Can't do it.

 

[dogunwo]

I listened to the audio first. I have not read any responses to it yet.

I am now wondering if I should at all. I know this is going to be heated and disagreed upon.

Okay, here goes, reading the thread.

Dont bother. No one is swayed based on the audio. If anything, it gives both sides reason to exaggerate their already belabored points.

 

[Beast_from_East]

What I dont get is all of this "hire a GM and we will start winning" talk.


The odds that the GM turns out to be the next Bill Polian is very, very small. Detroit hired Matt Milen who turned out to be a terrible GM, Holmgren in Seattle was stripped of his GM duties for poor personnel decisions, Mike Shannhan was fired in Denver in part due to his horrid free agency and draft decisions. In Tennessee Neil Diamond was fired for mismanaging the salary cap a couple of years ago.

I could go on and on about GM after GM being fired or replaced, but I think my point is pretty clear.

The act of hiring a GM is not a cure all, if you end up with the next Matt Milen then you are really no better off.

 

[Hostile]

Dont bother. No one is swayed based on the audio. If anything, it gives both sides reason to exaggerate their already belabored points.

That's what I got after 3 pages.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Jerry isn't much different than those guys imo.

At least Jerry spends money on the team (See Ware getting an extension). Bud Adams lets every high dollar free agent walk (see Javon Kearse during his prime or Albert Haynesworth from last year as examples).


No way in hell Bud Adams would have laid out the cash to keep Ware, so is that the type of owner you want???


Be it Tony Romo, Marion Barber, Jason Witten, Jay Ratliff, Terrance Newman, Bradie James, Demarcus Ware, ect..........Jerry spends money to keep the core intact, unlike cheap arses like Bud Adams who lets every big ticket free agent walk.

I ask again, is that the type of owner you want, one that is such a tight arse that every free agent walks???

 

[Rampage]

At least Jerry spends money on the team (See Ware getting an extension). Bud Adams lets every high dollar free agent walk (see Javon Kearse during his prime or Albert Haynesworth from last year as examples).


No way in hell Bud Adams would have laid out the cash to keep Ware, so is that the type of owner you want???


Be it Tony Romo, Marion Barber, Jason Witten, Jay Ratliff, Terrance Newman, Bradie James, Demarcus Ware, ect..........Jerry spends money to keep the core intact, unlike cheap arses like Bud Adams who lets every big ticket free agent walk.

I ask again, is that the type of owner you want, one that is such a tight arse that every free agent walks???

I want an owner who leaves the football stuff to the guys who know football.

 

[Dodger12]

Me too, Jerry has done nothing to make me a fan. The Cowboys got my heart as I was growing up in the 70's and went to games with my dad. I lived about 1/4 mile from the old practice facility and we went there and watched practice over the fence. We would meet the players as they came out after practice and get signed autographs (Boy, I wish I ahd gotten more of them and kept them). We also had several Cowboys that lived a few houses or blocks away and we could go knock on their door and get an autographed picture. It was great, they're a part of my youth and they'll always have a piece of my heart and that had absolutely nothing to do with Jerry.

The Cowboys had my heart long before Jerry ever came along. I loved what Jerry did when he came here and got rid of Landry & hired Jimmy. I loved it when he finally relented and hired Parcells and I'm pleased he released Owens and appears to be taking the team in a positive team oriented direction.

However, some of the things he has done has caused me to have negative feelings for the team I never thought I'd have. It got to the point for me that I took solice in all the losses of the late 90's, early 2000's because I thought the humiliation of Jerry was the only hope they had of ever being successful again.

Great story Yim and well said. I just don’t buy the argument that Jerry owns the team and if we don’t like it we should go somewhere else. I’ve been a fan of the Cowboys long before Jerry and I’ll be a fan long after Jerry is gone. I didn’t’ stop being a fan when Clint Murchison sold the team to Bum Bright and I didn’t stop being a fan when Bum sold it to Jerry. Skins fans are having a hard time right now but they shouldn’t have to give up their fanhood just because Snyder’s an *** and they shouldn‘t have to like Snyder just because he owns their team.

The Cowboys were America’s Team long before Jerry and for Angus to claim that “the only reason the Cowboys are still America's Team can be attributed only to Jerry Jones and no one else because he is the architect“ and thus he‘s “responsible for us still being a fan” is way over the top, IMO.

 

[Angus]

That's because it isn't true.

Jimmy made the football decisions. Period. Jeff Perlman's book had a nice bit where Jerry was telling Jimmy to pretend to talk to him when the cameras were on so people would think he was involved in the decision making process.

Jerry's a joke. Always has been. As evidenced by the futility of this team once Jimmy Johnson's players got old.

Nobody who has made as much money as Jerry Jones has, and has done with it what he has, is a joke.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I want an owner who leaves the football stuff to the guys who know football.

Seems to me that is unrealistic, maybe half a dozen owners out of 32 fit that description.

How many of you guys who have your own business and have worked hard over many many years buiding that business, would just turn over all operations to a third party???

I have my own business and there is no way in hell I would turn over all operations to somebody else. I have attended conventions, workshops, seminars, talked to other owners of the same sort of business, joined national organizations in the field of my business, ect.....This was all in an effort to educate myself about how to properly operate my business.

Now would it have been quicker to just have hired somebody on day 1 that supposedly knew all of this stuff already??? Probably, but to put it bluntly, I am not trusting my livelyhood and the future of my business to an outsider, I just aint.

So I cant knock Jerry for wanting to be in control of his business when I am basically doing the same thing.

 

[Rampage]

Seems to me that is unrealistic, maybe half a dozen owners out of 32 fit that description.

How many of you guys who have your own business and have worked hard over many many years buiding that business, would just turn over all operations to a third party???

I have my own business and there is no way in hell I would turn over all operations to somebody else. I have attended conventions, workshops, seminars, talked to other owners of the same sort of business, joined national organizations in the field of my business, ect.....This was all in an effort to educate myself about how to properly operate my business.

Now would it have been quicker to just have hired somebody on day 1 that supposedly knew all of this stuff already??? Probably, but to put it bluntly, I am not trusting my livelyhood and the future of my business to an outsider, I just aint.

So I cant knock Jerry for wanting to be in control of his business when I am basically doing the same thing.

that's totally different. Jerry is a money maker and marketer(see the I got a feeling video thread). he's not a football guy and you know it. the Steelers and Patriots combined have won half the superbowls this decade. they have owners who stay out of the way when it comes to football. the Raiders and Commanders have been dreadful for almost as long as we have. Jerry is a lot closer to Snyder and Davis than he is to Rooney and Kraft.

 

[Bleu Star]

Child please.

:laugh2:

 

[tyke1doe]

The Aikman thing is 100% true.

Jerry drafted him to market him. Blond pretty boy to sell jerseys; he needed someone to sell jerseys.

Jimmy Johnson had no choice but wanted Tony Mandarich. Jimmy still took Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft.

At the end of their rookie years Jimmy took a vote of his staff and all but 2 guys voted Walsh as starter(not surprising at all since Walsh own the sole game of their rookie years and most all the coaches had Walsh at Miami) for the next season. Jerry knew he needed an offensive mind and went to Ernie Zampese who suggested Norv Turner. Turner came in and settled on Aikman and the rest is 3 rings worth of history.

--to Jimmy's credit he flipped Walsh for a 1st and 3rd getting back more than he paid for the guy.

--Jerry is also why we traded Hershel. He saw his agents monetary demands which were "QB money" in Jerry's opinion and this was back when Dallas wasn't selling anything, so he told Jimmy to work on a trade for him. Jimmy fleeced Minny and the dynasty was born.

Jerry isn't all good or all bad. He has wins and losses like anyone; some of the losses were the proper calls at the time and some of the wins, like Herschel, were dumb luck... but he is what he is and that's what the Cowboys will have. Hating him is just pointless. Those he bothers most should just find a new team. It is his team, and they are one and the same. He didnt just buy the team he has spent 20 years 'being' the team.

Dallas got a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for Walsh. It was called the "Lawrence Welk" deal.

 

[Bleu Star]

Do it Jerry's way or be on your merry way! :cop2:

 

[craig71]

:horse:


I don't see Jerry reliquishing his GM duties anytime soon,I think Jerrys' critics need to move on or join the group that is trying to buy the Rams franchise.

Craig

 

[tyke1doe]

And you know this because........? You're a fly on the wall or you have your 'sources'?

I listened to the entire interview once and parts twice. I came away with nothing like your interpretation.

Jerry was very clear that nothing has changed in his approach 'since I bought the team' and 'from the very beginning'. You've got nothing here. Not even fluff. And he didn't site examples at all for any time period or coach here. He did say they influenced some decisions to play young personnel since the beginning of his stay here.

Even with the Ogletree thing he never stated it was his call but that you would see him on STs and on offense. I can interpret that as nothing but the same ole same ole. Where else are you going to see Olgetree. Again never once did Jerry say "I'm telling Wade and Jason to play Olgetree". That's all your agenda.

Your act is getting old. I wonder who's the greater attention seeker..... you or Jerry.

But when asked whether he involves himself in game-day coaching or decisions on who plays, Jerry shifts to talk about how an owner has say so over every aspect of the game. He doesn't address coaching decisions, specifically. Rather, he talks about his ultimate responsibility.

I found that a very strange response. It isn't unreasonable to assume he's trying to make an argument about his game-day coaching decisions - regarding who plays - by arguing the fact that as owner he has the right to make such decision.

Sorry, but the owner of a business doesn't make ALL decisions. That's why you hire competent people and give them the authority to make certain decisions. This is the way it is with most businesses. Sure, the owner has the ULTIMATE authority. But most realize they can't do everything nor make every decision so they hire competent people who can make the everyday decisions.

And I disagree that most NFL owners are as involved as Jerry is. A few may, but most let their coaches make those decisions and stay out of the way.

 

[tyke1doe]

that's totally different. Jerry is a money maker and marketer(see the I got a feeling video thread). he's not a football guy and you know it. the Steelers and Patriots combined have won half the superbowls this decade. they have owners who stay out of the way when it comes to football. the Raiders and Commanders have been dreadful for almost as long as we have. Jerry is a lot closer to Snyder and Davis than he is to Rooney and Kraft.

 

[Hoofbite]

Ok, two guys with the reading comprehension thing,

Nah, just didn't read the thread post-to-post.

Which is why I was asking if you were referring to what I thought you were.

 

[T-RO]

Jerry is a freaking *******.

 

[T-RO]

Just the fact that Jerry says that benching Roy Williams is basically his decision not the head coaches tells you everything you need to know about the accountability on this team.

He basically admitted to undermining his coaches authority, not that it is shocking but it is interesting to see him finally admit as much.

I don't believe him that things were like that when Jimmy was here, Jimmy would release players to make examples out of them for poor play and to send a message to the rest of the team, nothing like that has happened since he left. It is revisionist history for Jerry to say other wise.

It is also a crock that he says if you write the $80 million check that you want the final input. That scenario happens every day in professional sports. Heck it happens in a lot of other major businesses, its called paying professionals to do their thing. It is also different to have final say on personnel, coaches etc... its another to have final say on game day etc. Jerry is the reason we havent won a playoff game in 13 years, period.

I will be the first to give him credit if this team wins another Super Bowl, until then he gets the blame for not winning one.

This is the post of the day right here. 100% spot on.