Audio: Jerry Jones lays down the law!!!

[dogunwo]

Confirmation bias.

Confirmation bias.

Confirmation bias.

 

[adbutcher]

Now? Joe, where ya been?

Jerry's been the problem since the day Dallas stopped winning Superbowls. At least that's what I've been told.

Let me fill ya in on the gist of things.

Jerry is not only the root of all problems, he's also the biggest obstacle the team has to overcome when having success.

 

[Hoofbite]

Confirmation bias.

Confirmation bias.

Confirmation bias.

You might be on to something.

 

[silver]

:signmast:
great post by yimyammer

 

[Phoenix]

This kind of thing doesn't happen only in Big D ya know. You just know, for example, that Snyder was the one who stripped the head coach (Zorn) of playcalling duties. Seems to me that that ought to be the HC's call, and only his call. Also, look at Adams over in Tennessee forcing VY to now start (not that I blame him, but still).

 

[jterrell]

Scouts wanted Kendrell Bell. Jones wanted Quincy Carter. Failure.

Bill Parcells wanted to stay the course and go with Romo when he was ready. Jones wanted Drew Henson to be handed the keys. Failure again.

For every great move, there's a double amount of failure when Jerry Jones' talent decisions are what drive the process.

And let's be a little clear about the Parcells/Ware issue. It is no secret he loved Spears. He was all over him at the Senior Bowl. The primary reason he pushed to take him at eleven was that he wanted him badly and was afraid he couldn't get him. It wasn't like Jones was a big Ware fan and Coach Parcells couldn't stand him. Bill Parcells went on record with how he felt about him and liked him better than Merriman, who went soon after he did. Strangely enough, we never heard Jerry Jones say much about this until it was readily apparent that Spears was the inferior player. Again, it is all about him getting feathers for his cap.



I don't even think this has been truly documented. If so, link?


It goes with the territory. That's why when teams go bad, the GM gets it about as often as the coach does. Except in this case, that's impossible because he won't fire himself.



We've also had twelve plus years of playoff failure. So start along these lines when we've started consistently winning those kinds of games again. Otherwise, we can have all the "talent" in the world and it won't matter if he's the one deciding not only who it is, but when and how much they play.

ahhh more good stuff if only it were true....

kendrell bell was not "better" than quincy carter. that scout coup has left the building. it was a nice note back on oh say, 2002. But Bell fell apart as quickly as Carter's psyche.

bell lasted 3 years, 3 games in pittsburgh and had a great ROOKIE season. after that he was garbage. carter lasted 3 years here but left here after winning 16 games as the starting QB and finishing above .500 in games he started. qb > lb every time when all else is equal. both were busts.

the DAY of the Ware/Spears draft they said getting the 2nd first was key to drafting Ware. Both men talked about needing Spears but really wanting Ware. BP said he had to get the big guy and if he only had 1 pick he woulda taken Spears. That's BP himself talking before we knew what other player would do.

 

[speedkilz88]

Yeah, the Kendrell Bell argument really doesn't hold up any longer. Wasn't his problem also with drugs?

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Well guys, that's a wrap. We're never succeeding as long as this man is in charge. Don't waste your time.

 

[jterrell]

Great examples. Especially on that Ware pick. I mean the Aikman was great too but i'm not sure how credible that is. It may be true but i'm just not sure. But the Ware and Spears thing was a great move on Jerry's part. And it makes sense why we got Carpenter is a Dallas Cowboy. We all have hit and misses but you can't afford to hit and miss like that in the 1st round. Nothing against Spears but we ended up getting him at 20.

The Aikman thing is 100% true.

Jerry drafted him to market him. Blond pretty boy to sell jerseys; he needed someone to sell jerseys.

Jimmy Johnson had no choice but wanted Tony Mandarich. Jimmy still took Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft.

At the end of their rookie years Jimmy took a vote of his staff and all but 2 guys voted Walsh as starter(not surprising at all since Walsh own the sole game of their rookie years and most all the coaches had Walsh at Miami) for the next season. Jerry knew he needed an offensive mind and went to Ernie Zampese who suggested Norv Turner. Turner came in and settled on Aikman and the rest is 3 rings worth of history.

--to Jimmy's credit he flipped Walsh for a 1st and 3rd getting back more than he paid for the guy.

--Jerry is also why we traded Hershel. He saw his agents monetary demands which were "QB money" in Jerry's opinion and this was back when Dallas wasn't selling anything, so he told Jimmy to work on a trade for him. Jimmy fleeced Minny and the dynasty was born.

Jerry isn't all good or all bad. He has wins and losses like anyone; some of the losses were the proper calls at the time and some of the wins, like Herschel, were dumb luck... but he is what he is and that's what the Cowboys will have. Hating him is just pointless. Those he bothers most should just find a new team. It is his team, and they are one and the same. He didnt just buy the team he has spent 20 years 'being' the team.

 

[speedkilz88]

--to Jimmy's credit he flipped Walsh for a 1st and 3rd getting back more than he paid for the guy.

He lost the first overall pick that next year which would have gotten him a lot more worth by either selecting Junior Seau or Cortez Kennedy or by trading the rights for Jeff George to Indy. Which was a 1st, Chris Hinton, and Andre Rison.

 

[STSINAZ]

jerry is stupid...coaches should have the power to start who they want...dumb dumb dumb...

 

[jobberone]

I didn't say that's how it went down.

It's an example.

Wade don't make any decisions. He's just doing what the boss says to do.

And you know this because........? You're a fly on the wall or you have your 'sources'?

I listened to the entire interview once and parts twice. I came away with nothing like your interpretation.

Jerry was very clear that nothing has changed in his approach 'since I bought the team' and 'from the very beginning'. You've got nothing here. Not even fluff. And he didn't site examples at all for any time period or coach here. He did say they influenced some decisions to play young personnel since the beginning of his stay here.

Even with the Ogletree thing he never stated it was his call but that you would see him on STs and on offense. I can interpret that as nothing but the same ole same ole. Where else are you going to see Olgetree. Again never once did Jerry say "I'm telling Wade and Jason to play Olgetree". That's all your agenda.

Your act is getting old. I wonder who's the greater attention seeker..... you or Jerry.

 

[jterrell]

He lost the first overall pick that next year which would have gotten him a lot more worth by either selecting Junior Seau or Cortez Kennedy or by trading the rights for Jeff George to Indy. Which was a 1st, Chris Hinton, and Andre Rison.

very true but getting a first and 3rd for walsh was definitely a coup. that guy just wasnt athletic at all.

trying to be fair with my credit sharing.

 

[yimyammer]

The Aikman thing is 100% true.

Jerry drafted him to market him. Blond pretty boy to sell jerseys; he needed someone to sell jerseys.

Jimmy Johnson had no choice but wanted Tony Mandarich. Jimmy still took Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft.

At the end of their rookie years Jimmy took a vote of his staff and all but 2 guys voted Walsh as starter(not surprising at all since Walsh own the sole game of their rookie years and most all the coaches had Walsh at Miami) for the next season. Jerry knew he needed an offensive mind and went to Ernie Zampese who suggested Norv Turner. Turner came in and settled on Aikman and the rest is 3 rings worth of history.

--to Jimmy's credit he flipped Walsh for a 1st and 3rd getting back more than he paid for the guy.

--Jerry is also why we traded Hershel. He saw his agents monetary demands which were "QB money" in Jerry's opinion and this was back when Dallas wasn't selling anything, so he told Jimmy to work on a trade for him. Jimmy fleeced Minny and the dynasty was born.

Jerry isn't all good or all bad. He has wins and losses like anyone; some of the losses were the proper calls at the time and some of the wins, like Herschel, were dumb luck... but he is what he is and that's what the Cowboys will have. Hating him is just pointless. Those he bothers most should just find a new team. It is his team, and they are one and the same. He didnt just buy the team he has spent 20 years 'being' the team.

I've lived in Dallas my entire life and avidly followed this team since I was 6 years old and I've never heard these claims. This doesn't mean I'm an authority and you're not, I'm simply dumfounded how I could miss something like this when I've been actively following them for so long.

What you say may be true and I'm not saying you're incorrect, but can we have some evidence? Do you have any links, articles, books or videos sources to support your assertions?

If Jerry is the marketing genius everyone cliams him to be, then I can't understand how this isn't easily verified through multiple sources.

Or was your post sarcastic and I completely missed your humor?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I am extremely glad that they cut Ellis over Spencer. Spencer played terrific against the Falcons and has had a good season. Problem is that people look at stats. I think Spencer is due for a big game very soon and his play this year has been far and away better than Ellis' play in '07. And we don't have to listen to Ellis whine about something either.

Crayton has a nice punt return against the Falcons, but he doesn't get open and is largely a non-factor. If you watched Roy closely on his routes against the Falcons he was getting open quite often and did a real nice job with that, but Romo usually went elsewhere. Plus, Roy has been a monster blocker for the team. Starting Crayton over Roy is a real hazardous idea and yet that's what the media wants because Roy doesn't like talking to many of them.

Go figure.





YAKUZA

 

[adbutcher]

I am extremely glad that they cut Ellis over Spencer. Spencer played terrific against the Falcons and has had a good season. Problem is that people look at stats. I think Spencer is due for a big game very soon and his play this year has been far and away better than Ellis' play in '07. And we don't have to listen to Ellis whine about something either.

Crayton has a nice punt return against the Falcons, but he doesn't get open and is largely a non-factor. If you watched Roy closely on his routes against the Falcons he was getting open quite often and did a real nice job with that, but Romo usually went elsewhere. Plus, Roy has been a monster blocker for the team. Starting Crayton over Roy is a real hazardous idea and yet that's what the media wants because Roy doesn't like talking to many of them.

Go figure.





YAKUZA

We have seen this pattern unfold before.

 

[jterrell]

I've lived in Dallas my entire life and avidly followed this team since I was 6 years old and I've never heard these claims. This doesn't mean I'm an authority and you're not, I'm simply dumfounded how I could miss something like this when I've been actively following them for so long.

What you say may be true and I'm not saying you're incorrect, but can we have some evidence? Do you have any links, articles, books or videos sources to support your assertions?

If Jerry is the marketing genius everyone cliams him to be, then I can't understand how this isn't easily verified through multiple sources.

Or was your post sarcastic and I completely missed your humor?

If you are a long-time fan of the team then you aren't following closely if you do not know most of this.

Much of it is confirmed by both Jimmy and Jerry in their books. The Aikman/Mandarich piece comes directly from Jimmy. Jimmy has stated he thought Aikman couldn't win the big game. He never could beat Miami when he was at UCLA and struggled against Rodney Peete and USC even. Jimmy planned all along to draft Walsh and wanted to get him a premier OL. Jimmy made Troy so mad at one point he demanded a trade. Jimmy made good with Aikman by talking it out with him about tropical fish. The head personnel man ta the time, Bob Ackles was ready to kill Jimmy over Aikman.

The Herschel piece comes from Jerry's book by Mike Fisher. The story goes Walker's agent sent in a fax to Jerry's office. He pulled the fax and saw the salary demands and nearly had a coronary, he went down to the field where he and Jimmy walked a lap each day and said there is no way I am paying this guy QB money, explore a trade for him. How much exploring Jimmy did is unknown to me but Mike Linn caught wind the Boys had Walker on the table and made an offer that was crazy good. Jimmy stalled a bit and asked for some conditional picks to be attached to the players Dallas was getting back. Dallas basically let all those players go so they could just stockpile the picks.

Other notes:
-- We drafted Emmitt Smith after we lost out on the Baylor LB Jimmy had targeted and a subsequent LB also came off the board. We traded down and Emmitt kept falling. Joe Brodsky had recruited Emmitt to Miami so had followed his Florida career closely and had seen all his high school tape. He stood on a table screaming that they had to go up and get Emmitt; that Emmitt was the best player he had ever watched on the high school level. So they did and now the all-time leading rusher is a Cowboy(at one time surrounded by doodoo).

-- Once interviewed the very first time about Aikman, WELL PRIOR to the draft, Jerry stated he'd even give him number 12. He was that dead set on marketing this kid and making some money. He didn't have much choice, recall Jerry bought the team with largely borrowed and invested funds.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I've lived in Dallas my entire life and avidly followed this team since I was 6 years old and I've never heard these claims. This doesn't mean I'm an authority and you're not, I'm simply dumfounded how I could miss something like this when I've been actively following them for so long.

I can verify myself that I would read local Dallas papers and reports at this time and it was pretty well known that Jimmy didn't want Aikman to be his starter after the '89 season.

People gotta remember that with most successful college coaches, they really have a hard time getting used to losing. Last year the Cardinals made the Super Bowl with a 9-7 record and Jimmy could take 6 years to lose 7 games while at the U of Miami.

At the time, Jimmy really didn't grasp the concept (and I don't think he ever really did) of 'rebuilding.' They drafted Troy #1 overall and went 1-15 with Troy as the starter. This ticked off Jimmy quite a bit and he felt that if they had started his guy in Steve Walsh, they would be on the fast track to the SB. That's how college coaches like Jimmy would think. I also think that it played a huge role in Jimmy leaving Dallas. He never grasped the fact that just about every owner thought Jerry was NUTS for hiring a college guy in the first place and then even more NUTS for keeping him after a 1-15 team. Jimmy never looked at it that way and said his dream job was to take over the Dolphins, Jerry looked at it another way and was greatly offended by it. Jerry should've let cooler heads prevail, but I can see why he was so greatly hurt by the comment, regardless of ego.

But from the way I heard Aikman was drafted because Landry worked him out and wanted him from the get-go. Then Landry was fired and Jimmy took a look at him and was impressed, noting that if they had Aikman at the U ' we would've never lost a game and won by an average of 50 points.'

But after the '89 season, Jimmy changed his tune and Jerry basically said that Troy is your guy. Eventually they got rid of David Shula (another Jimmy guy) and brought in Norv (a guy that Jerry wanted).

Like jterrell said, Jerry isn't all good nor is he all bad.





YAKUZA

 

[quaigs]

How is this surprising? NFL Owners are no different then any other Owner, they call the shots! Some may have more demands on their staff then others, but your kidding yourselves if you believe most NFL Owners don't tell their GM's or Coaches what to do, when they feel it is needed. If you think Robert Craft doesn't tell Belichick what to do from time to time, I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[Mash]

I love Jerry....

Every organization makes blunders in drafts......every GM...coach.... makes mistakes...

All I want as a fan is for the team to be Champions.......everything else is a disappointment.

Jerry as owner and GM has 3 rings......most fans would love to see their team do that once in 20 years.....

Jerry tries.....he wants to win.....and will spend money to do so......and make changes to try to accomplish that goal ........I cant ask for more....

Its his team.....let him have fun.......I would do the same if I was in his shoes.......