Bashing Jerry

[bsheeern]

It's easy to pick the top GMs. Why name them? I'm a fan of THIS team, I was a fan the day Jerry bought it. I liked the idea of a young tough coach ala Jimmy. Then I watched it all unfold same as you. You still claim he knows what hes doing, how I have no clue. I claim different, I have fifteen years of proof, all the coaching changes, all the worthless player trades, all the overcompensated players all the thug players he could muster and all the loyalties to staff that haven't performed either.

Your watching some thing different than I am. The problem is I realize we are stuck for a while and there is nothing we can do about it. I just won't prop him up as being a good GM. You realize the same thing but are going against common sense.

Caused as soon as you name one I'm gonna blow holes in your agenda like it's Swiss cheese at target practice. Put your "top GM" name up here and we will go down their resume and put the facts on the table. I dare ya! Still waiting!!

 

[bsheeern]

Um, yes. He's the ****ing GM, right? Therefore he's the one who buys the groceries, be it draft or free agency. He literally assembles a team not unlike an engineer planning and assembling a structure.



That's because Trump and his hypothetical engineer are two different people. Jerry would never send himself "right out the door."

You said Donald doesn't draw up blueprints if buildings but Jerry on the other hand......

Your comparing an exact science of drawing blueprints to building a football team???? Are you serious??? There a million books on drafting and you can learn it in highschool. Building a football team on the other hand has no blueprint. You might have a certain type of player you are liking or looking for but you just walk into the "grocery store" and pluck em off the shelf.

Horrible analogy

 

[2233boys]

I find it unfortunately and insane that people here claim they are fans and do nothing but blindly bash Jerry. If it's been 15 years of ineptitude and Jerry can't do anything right, he ain't going anywhere and you're probably in for another 10-20 years of ineptitude. So the question becomes, why are you here?

Are you a masochist? Are you a glutton for punishment? Are you seeking attention by becoming a contrarian?





YR

Jerry isn't the Dallas Cowboys. I was a fan of this team long before Jerry ever came into the picture. The rest of your post is a joke and not worthy of a response.

 

[DallasEast]

That restaurant would close. Big huge difference.

Waitasec. There have been plenty of restaurants which have received bad reviews in print and remained popular eating establishments. Heck, what is anyone's explanation for Denny's??? :

 

[bbgun]

You said Donald doesn't draw up blueprints if buildings but Jerry on the other hand......

Right. Jerry's not a engineer, but he thinks he is. Conversely, Trump knows his limitations.

Your comparing an exact science of drawing blueprints to building a football team???? Are you serious??? There a million books on drafting and you can learn it in highschool. Building a football team on the other hand has no blueprint. You might have a certain type of player you are liking or looking for but you just walk into the "grocery store" and pluck em off the shelf.

Um, you do know how analogies work, right? Football and war share only superficial similarities, yet they're analogized all the time. So why should engineering and general managing be any different? Both are in the business of planning and building.

Horrible analogy

LOL. You wouldn't know an analogy from a metaphor from a simile.

 

[bsheeern]

Right. Jerry's not a engineer, but he thinks he is. Conversely, Trump knows his limitations.



Um, you do know how analogies work, right? Football and war share only superficial similarities, yet they're analogized all the time. So why should engineering and general managing be any different? Both are in the business of planning and building.



LOL. You wouldn't know an analogy from a metaphor from a simile.

BB I know what you are trying to say but your analogy is way off. Your blueprint man in trumps world would compare to the draft scouts in Jerry's world. Not the way you painted it

 

[bsheeern]

Waitasec. There have been plenty of restaurants which have received bad reviews in print and remained popular eating establishments. Heck, what is anyone's explanation for Denny's??? :

Yea or mikey d's? Lolol

 

[bbgun]

BB I know what you are trying to say but your analogy is way off. Your blueprint man in trumps world would compare to the draft scouts in Jerry's world. Not the way you painted it

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Waitasec. There have been plenty of restaurants which have received bad reviews in print and remained popular eating establishments. Heck, what is anyone's explanation for Denny's??? :

We had two here. Both closed and we are a military town.

 

[Clove]

Jerry's doing a wonderful job, keep up the good work Jerry. With a little luck, we'll get that Super Bowl in the next 15 years.

 

[DallasEast]

We had two here. Both closed and we are a military town.

Well, that's two. What about the other 1,400+ ?

 

[casmith07]

I wish for an owner who would hire a competent GM instead of trying to do it himself in order to feed his ego.

And what might happen without Jerry? We could go 15 years with just one playoff win? Yeah well, welcome to life with Jerry.

Another baseless assumption.

 

[Stash]

I wish for an owner who would hire a competent GM instead of trying to do it himself in order to feed his ego.

And what might happen without Jerry? We could go 15 years with just one playoff win? Yeah well, welcome to life with Jerry.

Perception is reality.

The man of too many hats. A great business man who should stick to what he does well and recongize what he doesn't do well.
:mule: of all trades, master of none.

 

[iceberg]

Perception is reality.

The man of too many hats. A great business man who should stick to what he does well and recongize what he doesn't do well.
:mule: of all trades, master of none.

perception is just perception and more cute words put together to avoid having to think more about it.

has anyone compares jones GM successes and failures with all over GMs over the last 15 years?

i'd bet no more than a single handful have ever considered it much less done it.

maybe jones would have fired himself. but given a lot of top GM's i've seen come and go there's no guarantee another GM would be a better fit to the puzzle and that's what it comes down to.

making all the pieces fit, not having the piece that actually has part of a picture on it and therefor shiney and desirable. is there any guarantee jones would hire the *right* GM?

no. not at all. but it's a single point of contention his haters will cling to without fail.

if it was just as simple as hiring the right GM we'd end up in a league wide tie wouldn't we? silly thought which bears back to the right piece at the right time and that's a gut feeling. if jones sucks because he's got no bowl in the last 15 years fine.

perception is merely the way it initially looks.

now go do the rest and do an actual comparision and make it unbiased. otherwise the bashers are just whiners upset because we've not won and a single point of blame makes it easier on them.

but far from reality.

 

[Doomsday101]

I would have to say the biggest challenge for any GM is hiring the right coach. When it comes to player accusations there are many involved no matter what GM you are talking about but getting the right man to lead the team I think is the big difference maker. Hopefully this time around Jerry has found that guy who can truly make the difference.

 

[Stash]

perception is just perception and more cute words put together to avoid having to think more about it.

has anyone compares jones GM successes and failures with all over GMs over the last 15 years?

i'd bet no more than a single handful have ever considered it much less done it.

maybe jones would have fired himself. but given a lot of top GM's i've seen come and go there's no guarantee another GM would be a better fit to the puzzle and that's what it comes down to.

making all the pieces fit, not having the piece that actually has part of a picture on it and therefor shiney and desirable. is there any guarantee jones would hire the *right* GM?

no. not at all. but it's a single point of contention his haters will cling to without fail.

if it was just as simple as hiring the right GM we'd end up in a league wide tie wouldn't we? silly thought which bears back to the right piece at the right time and that's a gut feeling. if jones sucks because he's got no bowl in the last 15 years fine.

perception is merely the way it initially looks.

now go do the rest and do an actual comparision and make it unbiased. otherwise the bashers are just whiners upset because we've not won and a single point of blame makes it easier on them.

but far from reality.

Use your same 'requirements'.

You do the homework you're attempting to charge others with.

You want to carry the 'Pro Jerry' banner, fine. Go show us why you feel that way and back it up in the same manner that you're asking of someone else. Hold yourself to that same standard.

The issues with Jones go beyond the 'GM' title. It's not as simple as that.

In my opinion, Jones' problems have more to do with wearing too many hats than they do with which job title you care to take issue with.

As owner, GM, chief spokesman, master financier, and public face of the franchise, he can do whatever he wants with no accountability.

And I think that dynamic works to the detriment of the organization.

 

[iceberg]

Use your same 'requirements'.

You do the homework you're attempting to charge others with.

You want to carry the 'Pro Jerry' banner, fine. Go show us why you feel that way and back it up in the same manner that you're asking of someone else. Hold yourself to that same standard.

The issues with Jones go beyond the 'GM' title. It's not as simple as that.

In my opinion, Jones' problems have more to do with wearing too many hats than they do with which job title you care to take issue with.

As owner, GM, chief spokesman, master financier, and public face of the franchise, he can do whatever he wants with no accountability.

And I think that dynamic works to the detriment of the organization.

if perception is reality or anything close to it, you'd know by now i'm NOT defending jones.

i'm saying the attacks are pointless and w/o much actual thought.

no accountability? he's running a billion dollar org - trust me, he's got some accountability.

maybe it does - i'm not arguing that. i'm saying jones is a fixed piece and that's all there is to it.

you call that pro jones because you seem to want "for" or "against" jones and that isn't my argument. because i'm tired of people ragging on jones w/o doing their homework, i'm pro jones?

no - i'm pro thought that 95% of the jones bashing leaves out.

i'm not the one saying jones sucks and must go on a daily basis so i've got nothing to prove. all i'm asking is that the jones bashing crowd puts some thought into this, get *real world comparisons* vs. their constant whining to intelligently discuss the topic.

it's awful hard to intelligently discuss the topic when EVERY SINGLE PERSON i've asked to step up their game with more than JONES SUCKS turns it to i'm PRO JONES.

if you miss my point in all this then all you can do is see "pro" jones or "anti" jones and i'm lost in the middle of it all it would appear.

just because i say stop whining or find more proof doesn't mean i'm pro jones.

so as you can clearly now see - perception isn't reality, now is it?

 

[ChopBlock]

Another baseless assumption.

Nope, he's still bent on trying to win his way. Jimmy Johnson gets most of the credit, and rightfully so, for being the architect of the teams that won in the '90's. Ever since then Jones has tried to build a team with him in position to get most of the glory. Problem is that he's more a fan than an actual personnel man and by attempting to ensure he'll get the glory he has constantly hired low-key HC's, not wanting to risk having the HC stealing the glory again, and controlled most aspects of the team which inadvertantly sabotauged his chances of winning it all.

But he is persistent. No matter how many times he fails he'll keep on trying to do it his way. And don't dare mention him replacing himself as GM, because "you just may get something stuck."

The man is all all about himself. Pure ego. Winning his way is more important to him than winning again with someone else getting the credit. 15 years and counting.

We can only hope now that Garrett really is the man and really does have the authority Jones said he did. If not, then we can probably look forward to more of the same.

 

[iceberg]

Nope, he's still bent on trying to win his way. Jimmy Johnson gets most of the credit, and rightfully so, for being the architect of the teams that won in the '90's. Ever since then Jones has tried to build a team with him in position to get most of the glory. Problem is that he's more a fan than an actual personnel man and by attempting to ensure he'll get the glory he has constantly hired low-key HC's, not wanting to risk having the HC stealing the glory again, and controlled most aspects of the team which inadvertantly sabotauged his chances of winning it all.

But he is persistent. No matter how many times he fails he'll keep on trying to do it his way. And don't dare mention him replacing himself as GM, because "you just may get something stuck."

The man is all all about himself. Pure ego. Winning his way is more important to him than winning again with someone else getting the credit. 15 years and counting.

We can only hope now that Garrett really is the man and really does have the authority Jones said he did. If not, then we can probably look forward to more of the same.

if johnson were the sole reason for our wins, how come he couldn't do it in miami? i mean, he took over a team he himself should win it all while he was in the announcer booth.

ain't like jones has a monopoly on egos ya know.

 

[ChopBlock]

if johnson were the sole reason for our wins, how come he couldn't do it in miami? i mean, he took over a team he himself should win it all while he was in the announcer booth.

ain't like jones has a monopoly on egos ya know.

Never said he was the sole reason. You may be better served if you didn't put words in other people's mouths.

But Johnson was the main personnel decision maker then and brought in his own staff and had the biggest impact on building those teams.

As for Miami, I don't see how that's relevant to what he did in Dallas. I don't recall Lombardi winning in DC, but I'm sure he was responsible for GBs success prior to that.
And it's not like Johnson ran the Dolphins into the ground like Jerry ended up doing to the Cowboys.