Baun, Murray or Chaisson

[jterrell]

Chaisson hasn’t had more than 9.5 sacks...in his entire collegiate career! Very little chance he becomes anything other than a solid run and hit SOLB in a 3-4.

He is a 20 year old who tore an ACL week 1 of his 2nd season.
He was the Defensive MVP of the Peach Bowl and finished his career quite strong.

Had he returned and had a 10 sack season (likely if healthy) he goes top 10.

Getting Chaisson here is a steal of a value. He is a physical freak as an edge rusher.

 

[DeaconMoss]

He is a 20 year old who tore an ACL week 1 of his 2nd season.
He was the Defensive MVP of the Peach Bowl and finished his career quite strong.

Had he returned and had a 10 sack season (likely if healthy) he goes top 10.

Getting Chaisson here is a steal of a value. He is a physical freak as an edge rusher.

Agreed

 

[Fletch]

For the guys that know these players who would you take at 17? I hear Chaisson first and a lot on Murray but what about Baun? I have never seen any of them play but from what Ive read it seems like Baun is a tackling macine and could be used as a chess piece at LB or DE both needs. What do you think and who would you rather have? Thanks for the input

Chaisson in my opinion is a slightly better Taco.
Let’s just shore up the secondary and give the Jets a 1st, 3rd, and 5th if doable for Jamal Adams. Arguably the best safety in the league who had more sacks than Tank last season. Not that it will be, but the Jets know they have to come down on the asking price somewhat, and they want nothing to do with a transcendent secondary guy.

Im all in.

 

[DeaconMoss]

Chaisson in my opinion is a slightly better Taco.
Let’s just shore up the secondary and give the Jets a 1st, 3rd, and 5th if doable for Jamal Adams. Arguably the best safety in the league who had more sacks than Tank last season. Not that it will be, but the Jets know they have to come down on the asking price somewhat, and they want nothing to do with a transcendent secondary guy.

Im all in.

Taco was a completely different player. Bigger strong side end. Taco cant bend like Chaisson. And he can't beat him in a footrace either.

 

[Sydla]

Offenses hate physical defenses for a reason. So I dream of a big and physical defense. I hope Mike McCarthy does too.

I dream of a fast defense that can rush the passer better than we have in the past.

Epenesa isn't really likely to change that reality.

 

[Sydla]

I think you guys would LOVE what Murray brings to the Cowboys. It may not be a need, but you NEED good football players.

Sure. But you also have to get value out of your high picks. If LVE is healthy and Smith returns to 2018 form, there isn't going to be a ton of PT for Murray. They'd have to get very creative to get Murray on the field a lot if the other two play well.

Now if you think LVE will never be the same or Smith will never come close to 2018, then I guess, you could justify Murray.

 

[Williamsboys]

What a great beginning of the draft it would be if we selected Chaisson, Terrell Lewis and Bryce Hall with our top 3 picks.

 

[Oneiros]

Murray is a good one, but the team already has a pretty potent linebacker group, as well as strong depth. One or two linebackers will be added from the draft or free agency afterwards, for special team play as well.

We do, yes, but I don't see Lee past this upcoming season.

 

[DuDa]

He is a 20 year old who tore an ACL week 1 of his 2nd season.
He was the Defensive MVP of the Peach Bowl and finished his career quite strong.

Had he returned and had a 10 sack season (likely if healthy) he goes top 10.

Getting Chaisson here is a steal of a value. He is a physical freak as an edge rusher.

There have been 100’s of physical freaks over the years but that doesn’t mean they’re good football players, or more specifically, good pass rushers. Rushing the passer is just as technical as it is physical, if not more technical. Being a great athlete is not enough.

 

[jterrell]

There have been 100’s of physical freaks over the years but that doesn’t mean they’re good football players, or more specifically, good pass rushers. Rushing the passer is just as technical as it is physical, if not more technical. Being a great athlete is not enough.

That 100% accurate but we drafted our franchises best ever pass rusher after he played strong safety and linebacker.
At some point it really about physical attributes for some positions.
Chaisson has bend and he's a very lean 255.
He has length and lots of room to go.

But, I agree he is not polished yet.
A lot of his sacks came on stunts.
Still he collected sacks versus a veritable who's who of college OL, not eating up cheeseballs who won't ever make an XFL.

At 17 you aren't getting perfect.
Chaisson's value is only going to go up imho.
17 is buying low.

 

[TwentyOne]

Chaisson is very good, dont listen to this kind of nonsense.

He may have potential. But right now he needs a lot of time. Nowhere near NFL strong.

 

[JBS]

Murray >>>>>> Baun

 

[CowboyRoy]

He may have potential. But right now he needs a lot of time. Nowhere near NFL strong.

I don't think he needs as lot of time. He needs coaching. He is plenty good against the run and is versatile. They can use him from day 1 in different ways. Strength isn't a problem for him.

His is raw on pass rush moves. I see him in a rotation the first year with Gregory and Aldon and coming into his own in the 2nd year. That's pretty much par with most DE's. Very few come out of the gate with 12 sacks.

Plus I wasn't to see what Gregory has anyway. He could get some snaps on the other side backup up Lawrence as well.

 

[America's Cowboy]

None

 

[morasp]

There have been 100’s of physical freaks over the years but that doesn’t mean they’re good football players, or more specifically, good pass rushers. Rushing the passer is just as technical as it is physical, if not more technical. Being a great athlete is not enough.

He only started 17 games in college and averaged the same sacks and TFLs per game as Nick Bosa and twice as many tackles per game as Nick.

 

[CCBoy]

We do, yes, but I don't see Lee past this upcoming season.

I don't know...that bridge will have to be crossed. All depends on play this season. I've seen a lot of linebackers that produce well, stay a pretty long time.

To be honest, when a player, non quarterback, hit 10 years in the NFL...well, they are pretty long of tooth.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

I dream of a fast defense that can rush the passer better than we have in the past.

Epenesa isn't really likely to change that reality.

Defensive lineman are notoriously undisciplined. Fast defensive lineman lose gap integrity... fast. That's why guys like R.Quinn and M.Collins weren't that good against the run. I'd rather our DLine be big and physical so they can wear down the offensive lineman during the course of the game. So when it's late in the fourth and we really need a stop the OLine will be gassed.

Besides many will be surprised at how good the back end of a defense can play when they can trust the front seven to stop the run. If fact one would be hard pressed to name a historic defense that was not big and physical up front. So NFL history says big and physical is the way to go. Their good for stopping the run as well as keeping the QB in the pocket. And if you can keep the QB in the pocket your chances of getting a sack increase.

But you have your opinion, I have mine. Opinions vary, just like beliefs.

 

[kskboys]

Taco was a completely different player. Bigger strong side end. Taco cant bend like Chaisson. And he can't beat him in a footrace either.

Yeah, they shouldn't be in the same conversation.

Basically, if Chaisson slips to 17, we'd be extremely lucky. If he hadn't torn his ACL in 18, he'd have been a top 5/10 pick, easily. The torn ACL severely slowed his development. So, unless he's having lingering issues(Of that I have no idea) from the injury, we're getting a steal w/ Chaisson. He might need a season or two of acclimating before turning out, but he should be effective in a rotational role right away, at the bare minimum.

 

[kskboys]

Defensive lineman are notoriously undisciplined. Fast defensive lineman lose gap integrity... fast. That's why guys like R.Quinn and M.Collins weren't that good against the run. I'd rather our DLine be big and physical so they can wear down the offensive lineman during the course of the game. So when it's late in the fourth and we really need a stop the OLine will be gassed.

Besides many will be surprised at how good the back end of a defense can play when they can trust the front seven to stop the run. If fact one would be hard pressed to name a historic defense that was not big and physical up front. So NFL history says big and physical is the way to go. Their good for stopping the run as well as keeping the QB in the pocket. And if you can keep the QB in the pocket your chances of getting a sack increase.

But you have your opinion, I have mine. Opinions vary, just like beliefs.

Chaisson is a complete DE, and is very effective in the run game. Just FYI. Loaded w/ instincts and already has good technique.

 

[cowboygo]

I don't think he needs as lot of time. He needs coaching. He is plenty good against the run and is versatile. They can use him from day 1 in different ways. Strength isn't a problem for him.

His is raw on pass rush moves. I see him in a rotation the first year with Gregory and Aldon and coming into his own in the 2nd year. That's pretty much par with most DE's. Very few come out of the gate with 12 sacks.

Plus I wasn't to see what Gregory has anyway. He could get some snaps on the other side backup up Lawrence as well.

Yup, its going to take a couple of years for Chaisson to be a force. Thats what a mid 1st round pick gets you. Baun might be a force earlier, but he doesn't hold the traits Chaisson does. There is so much untapped potential in Chaisson, and at 17, we should be all over it. Hopefully by year 2 he can be that 6-8 sack guy, and year 3 double digits.