Bills Fans Starting to Question :)

[MichaelWinicki]

The difference is in your business you are an expert. You can see when time and money invested will pay off. I think it is safe to say you do not have that expertise in football. At QB I am not sure any person does at all, but especially not any fans.

I find it nonsensical for you to assume Blesdoe can't take us to the Super Bowl when he has actually already been to a Super Bowl but you do assume a guy who can't complete 50% of his NFL passes can in time.

I understand your reservations with Bledsoe up to a point but anyone arguing we have better options on this roster are witch doctoring at best.

Super Bowl QBs nowadays are seldom Super. Brady has been extremely good but the guy has an average arm at best. He is middling in every physical category. No one saw him as a franchise guy even after 1 Super Bowl win. Recent Super Bowls are plenty of evidence you need a good team to go to the Super Bowl not just a good QB. See Peyton Mannings track record as an example.

2 years ago we won 10 games and made the playoffs, "in spite of" Carter at QB. If we learned anything I think it is that we fell asleep at the wheel after that and didn't upgrade the other 21 starting positions. VT was probably about as good as Carter yet we lost 4 more games and were no where near as competitive.

Its easy to talk Super Bowl or bust but you have to walk before you can run.
In 2 years perhaps Dallas grabs a young guy who has developed such as David Garrard. Someone who has taken snaps and proven they can play a bit. Carolina tried to draft their QB a couple of times then signed Delhomme as an afterthought and went to the SB. The answer is simple. If you have a hole, fill it. Draft guys and develop them but where they fail move on and sign guys to fill holes. We drafted Jacob Rogers in round 2 and Rob P in round 6. Should we continue to hang onto Rogers because he has more potential or go with the guy who is actually better right now and seems to know what this game is all about?

With Philly signing Kearse and TO it seems even they have learned some free agent dough will have to be expended.


The beautiful thing about having BP as coach is that he comes with 40+ years football experience and is consistent in his philosophy. He plays younger guys were they are close to as good as veterans but plays the better player for the season at hand not 3 years from now. 3 years from now isn't promised to any of us and writing off the right now just turns the team into losers.

The problem with all this JT is that Bledsoe isn't an upgrade over Vinny. His rating last year was vitually the same as Vinny's. So we've stayed pat at QB and haven't upgraded at all at that position.

 

[big dog cowboy]

The problem with all this JT is that Bledsoe isn't an upgrade over Vinny. His rating last year was vitually the same as Vinny's. So we've stayed pat at QB and haven't upgraded at all at that position.

:spanking:
That is enough of talk like that young man!

 

[MichaelWinicki]

:spanking:
That is enough of talk like that young man!

How dare I actually consider using numbers to justify a position.

 

[BlueWave]

The problem with all this JT is that Bledsoe isn't an upgrade over Vinny. His rating last year was vitually the same as Vinny's. So we've stayed pat at QB and haven't upgraded at all at that position.

Your comparing Bledsoe as a Bill, and Testaverde as a Cowboy.

The idea is how Bledsoe will perform under Parcells again, where he had his best year as a Pro.

Hardly a fair comparison. Why don't we just wait and see how this plays out. Then, at the end of the season, compare what Testaverde did last year to what Bledsoe did this year.

I have a feeling you won't want anything to do with that comparison. You see, it won't do much for your arguement. Let's watch and see.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Your comparing Bledsoe as a Bill, and Testaverde as a Cowboy.

The idea is how Bledsoe will perform under Parcells again, where he had his best year as a Pro.

Hardly a fair comparison. Why don't we just wait and see how this plays out. Then, at the end of the season, compare what Testaverde did last year to what Bledsoe did this year.

I have a feeling you won't want anything to do with that comparison. You see, it won't do much for your arguement. Let's watch and see.

With almost 9,000 posts I don't make myself scarce on too many topics.

Like I said in a previous post if Bledsoe can give me an 80+ rating I'll give him the credit he's due.

 

[noshame]

The idea is how Bledsoe will perform under Parcells again, where he had his best year as a Pro.

That is a question best left to Dr. Ruth

Anyway, Bledsoe will just have too show me. I hope he does.

 

[Cowchips]

The problem with all this JT is that Bledsoe isn't an upgrade over Vinny. His rating last year was vitually the same as Vinny's. So we've stayed pat at QB and haven't upgraded at all at that position.

Bledsoe has won 2 championship games and numerous other playoff games, has 4 probowl appearances and taken his team to the playoffs 4 times. He is 2 years removed from his last probowl year. If Vinnie could match those stats, then you might have an argument. He obviously isnt even close to that level of QB, especially at 65 or whatever age he is now.

 

[noshame]

Bledsoe has won 2 championship games and numerous other playoff games, has 4 probowl appearances and taken his team to the playoffs 4 times. He is 2 years removed from his last probowl year. If Vinnie could match those stats, then you might have an argument. He obviously isnt even close to that level of QB, especially at 65 or whatever age he is now.

Why can't we just discuss last year? You know, the most relevant one.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Why can't we just discuss last year? You know, the most relevant one.

Whoa! There's a concept! Using the most current data to evaluate someone? Damn. Don't let this get out-- OK? People like cowpie will be hurt.

 

[BlueWave]

Why can't we just discuss last year? You know, the most relevant one.

Wrong answer. Why don't we discuss this year, the only relevant one.

 

[Clydeonthemount]

have fun with DB as your QB. Picks, SACKS, will throw the ball in the feet of WRs and RBs. and finally Losman can not be any worse than DB was last year. Our D will win for use as long as Losman does not lose for us, and Holcome will only play if Losman get hurt. Thank God Drew is your problem now and not ours. The N.E. game in foxboro is case and point. have fun. FROM A BILLS FAN

 

[Nasty Mcgahee]

Buffalo fans are starting to question the decision to go with Losman Calling for Kelly Holcombe to take over the reins. Hahaha!! They had a qb that gave them 20 tds in a run-oriented offense and almost a playoff birth with a crappy o-line and now they are watching Losman get killed. Morons!!

I can assure you that Buffalo fans are NOT questioning the decision. Of course there is always one or two downer fans but the majority is definately behind JP.

Though we had a qb that gave us 20 TD's, we also had a QB who couldn't come through in clutch time and seem to turn the ball over at the most inopportune times. He had 16 INT's and a 77 QB rating, not too shabby. Losman will be better than Bledsoe was last year. Losman is doing great, just wait and see.

 

[Nasty Mcgahee]

no comments?

 

[Hostile]

no comments?

to the Zone and I agree you shouldn't question the move. There will be bumps. Too many think that means more than it does.

 

[Cheap Shot Artist]

no comments?

2005 Schedule
Date Opponent Time/Result DIRECTV® Channel
Sep 11 Houston 1:00pm 708
Sep 18 @Tampa Bay 1:00pm 707
Sep 25 Atlanta 1:00pm 709
Oct 2 @New Orleans 1:00pm 712
Oct 9 Miami 1:00pm 709
Oct 16 N.Y. Jets 4:15pm 713
Oct 23 @Oakland 4:15pm 716
Oct 30 @New England 8:30pm
Week 9 BYE
Nov 13 Kansas City 1:00pm 708
Nov 20 @San Diego 4:15pm 716
Nov 27 Carolina 1:00pm 704
Dec 4 @Miami 1:00pm 707
Dec 11 New England 1:00pm 704
Dec 17 Denver 8:30pm
Dec 24 @Cincinnati 1:00pm 704
Jan 1 @N.Y. Jets 1:00pm 712

So whats the bet?

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

I haven't paid much attention to this...but I will bet that the Bills don't make the playoffs. And that should be the goal. They just missed last year, felt Losman gives them a better chance to win now.

 

[Cowchips]

2005 Schedule
Date Opponent Time/Result DIRECTV® Channel
Sep 11 Houston 1:00pm 708
Sep 18 @Tampa Bay 1:00pm 707
Sep 25 Atlanta 1:00pm 709
Oct 2 @New Orleans 1:00pm 712
Oct 9 Miami 1:00pm 709
Oct 16 N.Y. Jets 4:15pm 713
Oct 23 @Oakland 4:15pm 716
Oct 30 @New England 8:30pm
Week 9 BYE
Nov 13 Kansas City 1:00pm 708
Nov 20 @San Diego 4:15pm 716
Nov 27 Carolina 1:00pm 704
Dec 4 @Miami 1:00pm 707
Dec 11 New England 1:00pm 704
Dec 17 Denver 8:30pm
Dec 24 @Cincinnati 1:00pm 704
Jan 1 @N.Y. Jets 1:00pm 712

So whats the bet?

With that schedule..Buffalo will do very well to go 4-12.

 

[jay cee]

The difference is in your business you are an expert. You can see when time and money invested will pay off. I think it is safe to say you do not have that expertise in football. At QB I am not sure any person does at all, but especially not any fans.

I find it nonsensical for you to assume Blesdoe can't take us to the Super Bowl when he has actually already been to a Super Bowl but you do assume a guy who can't complete 50% of his NFL passes can in time.

I understand your reservations with Bledsoe up to a point but anyone arguing we have better options on this roster are witch doctoring at best.

Super Bowl QBs nowadays are seldom Super. Brady has been extremely good but the guy has an average arm at best. He is middling in every physical category. No one saw him as a franchise guy even after 1 Super Bowl win. Recent Super Bowls are plenty of evidence you need a good team to go to the Super Bowl not just a good QB. See Peyton Mannings track record as an example.

2 years ago we won 10 games and made the playoffs, "in spite of" Carter at QB. If we learned anything I think it is that we fell asleep at the wheel after that and didn't upgrade the other 21 starting positions. VT was probably about as good as Carter yet we lost 4 more games and were no where near as competitive.

Its easy to talk Super Bowl or bust but you have to walk before you can run.
In 2 years perhaps Dallas grabs a young guy who has developed such as David Garrard. Someone who has taken snaps and proven they can play a bit. Carolina tried to draft their QB a couple of times then signed Delhomme as an afterthought and went to the SB. The answer is simple. If you have a hole, fill it. Draft guys and develop them but where they fail move on and sign guys to fill holes. We drafted Jacob Rogers in round 2 and Rob P in round 6. Should we continue to hang onto Rogers because he has more potential or go with the guy who is actually better right now and seems to know what this game is all about?

With Philly signing Kearse and TO it seems even they have learned some free agent dough will have to be expended.


The beautiful thing about having BP as coach is that he comes with 40+ years football experience and is consistent in his philosophy. He plays younger guys were they are close to as good as veterans but plays the better player for the season at hand not 3 years from now. 3 years from now isn't promised to any of us and writing off the right now just turns the team into losers.

Somebody sticky this post.

I try to look at all viewpoints, but for the life of me, I just can't appreciate playing guys that are not ready to help the team win, in the hopes that 2-3 years from now, they will be able to help the team win.

 

[jterrell]

The problem with all this JT is that Bledsoe isn't an upgrade over Vinny. His rating last year was vitually the same as Vinny's. So we've stayed pat at QB and haven't upgraded at all at that position.

ROFL.
MW bro you are stretching more than plasticman here.

VT has started 3 years in the past 6 seasons. He had QB ratings of 69, 75 and last season's 76. He was clearly a backup QB and brought in here to be be one.

Drew Bledsoe was a franchise Qb less than 6 years ago and in the Pro Bowl in 2003, he has spent one season on the bench in his life; that behind Tom Brady. Last season in a down year where the Bills really struggled to keep him upright he put up a similar Qb rating to VT but was no where near as bad the second half of the season and was helping that Bills team fight for a playoff spot while VT was dying on a vine barely completing 10 yard outs.

Bledsoe has some obvious weaknesses but to argue he isn't an upgrade over VT really calls into question ones good sense. Being from near Buffalo I can only guess you have been deluged with the Bledsoe sucks sentiments from fans who had high expectations after that 2002 season and have been disappointed. But Buffalo had issues larger than QB and that team will show that this season.

 

[Sarge]

Sarge, how would you feel if Leftwich was our QB and we were playing with Henry and another FA at CB, or perhaps had used that Rogers 2nd rounder on a CB?

I know I'd feel pretty darn good about it....even if we were still a little weak at CB, I could live with it...It's a lot easier to find a decent CB than a QB, imo.

I'm ready for a young QB with promise and experience...I'm all for drafting a QB on day 1 this year if a decent looking one is available in rounds 1-3.

Morning Wayno - I could have lived with that scenario quite well. Granted, I'm not sure Leftwich is going to be the next T. Aikman but it is the "PROCESS" by which we are trying to upgrade the QB position that bothers me the most.

I'm sick of the retreads on the downside of their career w/a coach that isn't even going to be here in 2 years.

With trespect to the QB position, it's going to be retreads as long as Parcells is here.

I've said it many times, it's bad timing. With this young group of players we have right now, why not bring along a young QB as well?

Sure, we'll take some lumps along the way but that is part and parcel of bringing in youth at the QB position.

It really irks me that when Parcells leaves, we'll be still talking about who is going to be our QB.