Broaddus on Arkin

[Stash]

Sorry. I misread.

A guy that starts 4 or 5 games and is in a nickle/dime package, has 35 tackles and 7 passes defended is not an awful identification of talent in the 5th round. The Cowboys deciding to keep only 3 corners was one of the strangest personnel moves I've seen in a while when 5 is the norm.

Wouldn't disagree with that one bit.

And if you want to say that the 'mistake' was not in drafting Thomas (though Sherman was obviously the better choice), but cutting him, I would not have a huge argument.

But no matter how you want to slice it, our favorite team screwed up.

 

[justbob]

Please let me spin it this way ---Discuss the thread without the personal side remarks and insults... Its the easiest way to make people like me happy,happy,happy

 

[Stash]

Please let me spin it this way ---Discuss the thread without the personal side remarks and insults... Its the easiest way to make people like me happy,happy,happy

And I wouldn't blame you, it was when the conversation started with 'sigh' that it went downhill for me.

I enjoy good debate, but can do without a condescending attitude.

 

[justbob]

Its going to get better --I'm sure of it

 

[speedkilz88]

Wouldn't disagree with that one bit.

And if you want to say that the 'mistake' was not in drafting Thomas (though Sherman was obviously the better choice), but cutting him, I would not have a huge argument.

But no matter how you want to slice it, our favorite team screwed up.

How was Sherman obviously the better choice? The guy was a WR up until his JR year at Stanford.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Broaddus didn't answer the question posed to him in terms of his strength. That is the answer that I am interested in. Gross characterizations don't do much for me.

 

[xwalker]

Its not a lack of effort or desire to do his job...its just he hasnt developed as a player...there were times on film in college playing left tackle against schools like Kansas State getting the job done...his movement and strength were good...he finished blocks and played at times even after the whistle...there was some nastiness to his game...but now he plays too high and he can't sit down on rushers...he doesnt play with leverage...can gets put in terrible positions as a blocker...he is just not powerful enough to handle rushers one-on-one...they have appeared to miss....and I missed right along with them...it sucks.

Are you saying that you can see from the practices without pads that he is not strong enough or is your opinion all based on last year's training camp?

He hasn't been strong enough with or without pads. Don't let the without pads fool you...the one thing you can see is strength...you physically have to get in front of the man and slow him down...he doesn't do that...he gets compressed at times....it happens on tape....I see it with my own eyes...he just isn't powerful enough to hold blocks...I don't know how I can explain it any more...

Ok, thanks. I couldn't determine from your initial post if you were referring to now or last year.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Broaddus didn't answer the question posed to him in terms of his strength. That is the answer that I am interested in. Gross characterizations don't do much for me.

What more did you want to know? Like he said, it isn't that complicated.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

This is a large thread for a small school project.

 

[Stash]

This is a large thread for a small school project.

For me, it wouldn't mean as much if he weren't a 4th round pick and looking like yet another miss at a position group where we have notoriously struggled.

 

[Eskimo]

Sorry. I misread.

A guy that starts 4 or 5 games and is in a nickle/dime package, has 35 tackles and 7 passes defended is not an awful identification of talent in the 5th round. The Cowboys deciding to keep only 3 corners was one of the strangest personnel moves I've seen in a while when 5 is the norm.

Yes, a lot of us bemoaned the decision to release Thomas only to later add really bad washed up CBs from another team who was useless and out of the leauge (?Frank Walker).

He had showed some ability in preseason and had good measurables. That should be enough to get on the team when you only have 3 NFL CBs on the roster (TNew, Jenkins, OScan).

If I remember correctly part of the problem was that one or two of them got injured early and they felt they needed some experience back there. But that was only for a couple of games and instead we kept a player who may have been marginally better at the start of the season but was near the end of his career.

This was a bad roster move and the blame goes on Jerry Jones for making yet another bad roster decision.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

For me, it wouldn't mean as much if he weren't a 4th round pick and looking like yet another miss at a position group where we have notoriously struggled.

Most 4th rounders don't pan out no matter the position group. I mean there isn't much more to say than that. And we have notoriously struggled since the line all fell apart at once some 5 years or so ago. It takes time to rebuild that line.

I like the investments we've made over the last 3 years into fixing the problem and I like the competition we have going with some guys who still have tread on their tires.

I have no idea however why so much talk would be had on a small school 4th round project a few years in and before we see the guy in pads.

 

[proscout]

The Cowboys scouts seemed to have whiffed on evaluating this player. You don't use a 4th round pick on a guy who isn't expected to play at all until his third year or later unless that guy can be something special one he actually sees the field. That is reserved for UDFAs.

Offensive linemen are different in that regard....I do understand what you are saying here but scouts think about that position in the way of a longer term than just right now....they gambled on Arkin...he just didnt develop and that is why you still see him on the roster other than a player like AOA or Jason Williams that played another position...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What more did you want to know? Like he said, it isn't that complicated.

The answer to the question.

 

[proscout]

The answer to the question.

I thought I painted a picture for you...I said he got compressed....he doesnt handle one-on-one blocks well...he doesnt get in front of his man...does that show a lack of strength???

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I thought I painted a picture for you...I said he got compressed....he doesnt handle one-on-one blocks well...he doesnt get in front of his man...does that show a lack of strength???

I know what you are talking about. In the preseason games that he started he was sometimes able to get underneath a guy and drive him a bit but all too often like you said, he would snap the ball for only a guy to trap one of his arms inside get up into his chest and ride him straight back.

Are you saying that is still happening in these half speed practices? We don't get to see the practices but from the blurbs that I do see all I see amongst the linemen is a slightly more vigorous game of pattycake. If he is still getting turned and ragdolled then why is he even still on the roster I guess is my thought?

 

[speedkilz88]

1 CAR Brandon Hogan, DB, West Virginia Released
2 SEA K.J. Wright, LB, Mississippi Sy. Starter
3 BUF Da'Norris Searcy, DB, North Carolina Backup S
4 CIN Clint Boling, OL, Georgia Starter
5 CLE Jordan Cameron, TE, USC Started 2 and 6 gms
6 ARI Sam Acho, OLB, Texas Starter
7 TB Luke Stocker, TE, Tennessee Started 9 and 11 gms
8 WAS Roy Helu, RB, Nebraska Backup
9 MIN Christian Ballard, DL, Iowa Backup
10 SEA Kris Durham, WR, Georgia Released Backup in Det
11 DEN Quinton Carter, DB, Oklahoma Started 10 and 0 gms
12 TEN Colin McCarthy, LB, Miami Started 7 and 7 gms
13 DAL David Arkin, OL, Missouri St. Backup 0 gms started
14 MIA Edmund Gates, WR, Abilene Christian Released Backup in NYJ
15 STL Greg Salas, WR, Hawaii Released On his 3rd team
16 OAK Chimdi Chekwa, DB, Ohio State Backup
17 JAX Cecil Shorts, WR, Mount Union Starter Started 0 and 9 gms
18 SF Kendall Hunter, RB, Oklahoma St. Backup
19 PHI Casey Matthews, LB, Oregon Backup
20 NYG James Brewer, OL, Indiana Backup 0 gms started
21 KC Jalil Brown, DB, Colorado Backup
22 IND Delone Carter, RB, Syracuse Backup
23 PHI Alex Henery, K, Nebraska Kicker
24 JAX Chris Prosinski, DB, Wyoming started 1 and 7 gms
25 BUF Chris Hairston, OL, Clemson started 7 and 8 gms
26 BAL Tandon Doss, WR, Indiana Backup
27 CLE Owen Marecic, RB, Stanford started 4 and 2 gms
28 OAK Taiwan Jones, RB, Eastern Washington Backup
29 NYJ Bilal Powell, RB, Lousiville started 0 and 2 gms
30 HOU Rashad Carmichael, DB, Virginia Tech Backup
31 PIT Cortez Allen, DB, Citadel started 0 and 3 gms
32 DEN Julius Thomas, TE, Portland St. started 1 and 0 gms
33 TEN Jamie Harper, RB, Clemson Backup
34 GB Davon House, DB, New Mexico St. started 0 and 5 gms

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oh and as an aside, on the Break last week when you were talking about Ron Wolfe and how he had an advantage in watching the college game year round that the Cowboys GM doesn't. Let's just say I appreciate objective criticism like that. I thought Eatman was going to have kittens while you were saying it though.

 

[Zordon]

Oh and as an aside, on the Break last week when you were talking about Ron Wolfe and how he had an advantage in watching the college game year round that the Cowboys GM doesn't.

This is the type of thing that starts us behind the eight ball every year.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It appears that Mr. Broaddus is back to enjoying a fine Saturday afternoon. I do think it is awesome that he comes on here. Much appreciation to the site and Broaddus himself.

So what does an OL getting compressed mean? Anyone know?

I would like to think that Broaddus is being stubborn but his recent takes on Costa underscore his objectivity.

That sucks but here is to the Rise of Killer!! :toast: