BTB: Cowboys 2013 Draft Board Leaked... All Seven Rounds (Link Post #21) *Merge*

[big dog cowboy]

The offseason REALLY sucks.

 

[MonsterD]

The offseason REALLY sucks.

Yup..

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Matt Elam wasn't even on their board. How stupid is that?

Yeah, couldn't of had anything to do with the 9er Pre-Draft Trade scenario.



:laugh2:

 

[Bleu Star]

The offseason REALLY sucks.

Indeed it does..

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Didn't Frederick himself say that he was surprised because he was expecting later in the 2nd? Not sure but I thought that came out in one of the interviews.

No. Frederick said he expected to go between 20 and 40. I think in one interview he said he was excited to be drafted in the first, but of course, some Cowboys fans will twist that statement into him saying that he "expected" to go "later in the 2nd."

 

[BIGDen]

Didn't Frederick himself say that he was surprised because he was expecting later in the 2nd? Not sure but I thought that came out in one of the interviews.

I wasn't a fan of how the trade down unfolded and, like most, was annoyed that we didn't get more in return. However, we drafted a player who was ranked #22 on our board. He was the top-ranked center in the draft according to many. He was considered a 2nd round player (like Pugh, Reid, Long and others taken in round 1) who was selected at #31. That's just a couple of picks before the 2nd round! And, as some have mentioned, we are able to sign him to a 5 year contract since he is a 1st rounder (by only a couple of slots). Did I mention that he also fills a huge need? We didn't get much in return as far as the actual number of draft picks for moving down. However, we DID get great value (in the end) as far as how we ranked our players. We got the 22nd AND 23rd ranked players for moving down from the 18th spot to #31. If we would've gotten a late 2nd instead of the 3rd round pick, we almost certainly would've taken Williams in that spot so the end result is the same. Ending up with 3 of the top 25 and 5 of the top 50 on the board is a very successful draft based on OUR rankings. Our board is all our team should care about at this point. As a fan, I'm happy that we ended up with many of the players we targeted. As I said before, hopefully we did a good job assembling our board. Having Lee and Bowman ranked as 1st rounders seemed odd at the time when our other board was leaked. It looks like we were spot on about those players now. Time will tell about this draft.

 

[Eddie]

Well, if true, then this clearly lays to rest the theory that Floyd was not highly regarded by the team and it also lays to rest the idea that Fredrick was a 2nd or 3rd round pick on the Cowboys board. For my money, he was, but clearly the team didn't think so. It is disappointing to see us undercut our own board and scouting staff but I understand the reasoning. Clearly Jerry and perhaps others on the team felt as if OL was a bigger need and so we took Fredrick. I mean, that's probably a true evaluation, OL probably is the biggest need on the team so I get it. I don't believe in this method of drafting but it's done. I think we got a solid player and now we just have to figure out a way to fill in the gaps.
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Yep .. shades of Quincy Carter.

Jerry Jones - we need a dammed QB! Get one now! Even if it's 4 rounds too early !!

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Yep .. shades of Quincy Carter.

Jerry Jones - we need a dammed QB! Get one now! Even if it's 4 rounds too early !!

Yeah, except it's not like Quincy whatsoever, and any comparison is completely absurd. The way the draft was unfolding, I'd bet good money that Fred would be drafted within five to ten picks of 31.

 

[Dodger12]

No. Frederick said he expected to go between 20 and 40. I think in one interview he said he was excited to be drafted in the first, but of course, some Cowboys fans will twist that statement into him saying that he "expected" to go "later in the 2nd."

Travis Frederick surprised at selection

"A little surprised," Frederick said. "I thought that I was going to probably fit somewhere in the second round, but Dallas had showed a lot of interest in me throughout the process. I knew that they definitely needed a little bit of help inside and were looking to upgrade that. I think that I'm going to fit in pretty well down there."

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowb...erick-wasnt-sure-if-he-was-a-first-round-pick

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yeah, except it's not like Quincy whatsoever, and any comparison is completely absurd. The way the draft was unfolding, I'd bet good money that Fred would be drafted within five to ten picks of 31.

True.

Quincy didn't have anywhere near the pedigree coming out that Frederick did.

If I recall Quincy was less than a 50% passer in college. He was a horrible choice in the second round.

 

[DFWJC]

Yeah, except it's not like Quincy whatsoever, and any comparison is completely absurd. The way the draft was unfolding, I'd bet good money that Fred would be drafted within five to ten picks of 31.

You may be right. I'm sure that's what Jerry was thinking anyway.

However, the next center was not taken for a long, long time. So we'll never know for sure.

If Frederick starts and plays well, then getting him at 31 (and also Williams)sure isn't the worst thing we could have done.

And btw, those saying Fred was the 22nd on our board should remember the context. There was big gap after the first 18 we had as 1st rounders. Then the second round batch came up and he was 4th on that list. That means that idelaly we would have taken him anywhere between the 36th at the earliest (4th pick in 2nd round) to mid 40s (since we only had 22 second round worthy players).
Taking him at 31 was early, but was not totally outlandish by that board though.

 

[visionary]

Who says you take the BPA irregardless of need?
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[TheRomoSexual]

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Just FYI, I know you're trying really, really hard to be funny, and I appreciate the effort. But it's not working.

 

[TNCowboy]

It's as if the some on this board have a superhuman ability to forget the past.

You draft talent. Ignore need. Jerry Jones needed an interior lineman now, so he drafted one, regardless of where he fit on his draft board. If one of the guys your own scouting department had rated significantly higher turns out to be a superstar, and the guy your scouting department evaluated as a 2nd rounder proves to be that or worse, what have you accomplished?

Or just apply this draft to how you conduct yourself in business. You make major decisions based solely on the short-term? Or do you generally make big decisions with the long-term in mind? You draft a player in the 1st round, you're hoping the guy is a mainstay on your team for a decade. You think 3 years from now it's going to matter what hole was on this roster at this single moment in time? Nope. What's really going to matter is whether or not you drafted the player who improved your team the most for the long haul.

In Jerry Jones alcohol-addled brain, he decided to take everything his scouts had done and toss it out the window and go with his gut and reach for need. Look at the # of players rated higher on the Cowboys' board than Frederick when they were on the board at 18.

Will they get away with it and get good player? Maybe. Only time will tell. But any organization that conducts itself like this is setting itself up for long-term failure. As in, I don't know, 17 years and counting..... And most of you know that's the case. But your desperate desire for the Cowboys to become relevant again won't let you admit it.

 

[JPM]

Just FYI, I know you're trying really, really hard to be funny, and I appreciate the effort. But it's not working.

Quoting him doesn't do my ignore list any good..

 

[visionary]

Just FYI, I know you're trying really, really hard to be funny, and I appreciate the effort. But it's not working.

what is funny is you backtracking just because the inept cowboys front office drafted for need and you cant bring yourself to be critical of them, even though you were railing against it before the draft as something that is the definition of bad drafting :laugh2:

but our front office does it and suddenly, its all good

 

[TheRomoSexual]

It's as if the some on this board have a superhuman ability to forget the past.

You draft talent. Ignore need. Jerry Jones needed an interior lineman now, so he drafted one, regardless of where he fit on his draft board. If one of the guys your own scouting department had rated significantly higher turns out to be a superstar, and the guy your scouting department evaluated as a 2nd rounder proves to be that or worse, what have you accomplished?

Or just apply this draft to how you conduct yourself in business. You make major decisions based solely on the short-term? Or do you generally make big decisions with the long-term in mind? You draft a player in the 1st round, you're hoping the guy is a mainstay on your team for a decade. You think 3 years from now it's going to matter what hole was on this roster at this single moment in time? Nope. What's really going to matter is whether or not you drafted the player who improved your team the most for the long haul.

In Jerry Jones alcohol-addled brain, he decided to take everything his scouts had done and toss it out the window and go with his gut and reach for need. Look at the # of players rated higher on the Cowboys' board than Frederick when they were on the board at 18.

Will they get away with it and get good player? Maybe. Only time will tell. But any organization that conducts itself like this is setting itself up for long-term failure. As in, I don't know, 17 years and counting..... And most of you know that's the case. But your desperate desire for the Cowboys to become relevant again won't let you admit it.

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You say we threw out he scouts work and "reached" for Frederick, but (1) Frederick was BPA on our board at 31, and (2) we went by the board the rest of the draft. You also ignore that Kiffin (not Jerry) vetoed the pick.

 

[Alexander]

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You say we threw out he scouts work and "reached" for Frederick, but (1) Frederick was BPA on our board at 31, and (2) we went by the board the rest of the draft. You also ignore that Kiffin (not Jerry) vetoed the pick.

Kiffin did not veto the pick.

Jerry Jones, based on his feedback, did.

Ultimately, he made the decision and has direct accountability for overruling his scouts and destroying the integrity of the board.

All in all, the biggest damage was to the scouts, who now know they can do the same hard work next year and get overruled based on the advise Jones heeds from a coordinator or whomever decides to bend his ear the hardest. There is a large reason we have the dysfunction we do from year to year in the draft.

 

[Doomsday101]

No, but then don't tell me how great of negotiator Stephen is out the other side of your mouth. Not saying you specifically but I'm just wondering what is Stephen good for if he's getting worked in trades and the salary cap is always a hindrance.

it takes 2 to do a trade, 9ers were evidently not willing to part with the late rd pick so Dallas has a choice do we go get the guy we want and another player we had highly ranked or do we follow some meaningless book on trade.

I'm not claiming Stephen some great guru but we got the guy we wanted better than sitting here today complaining that we failed to address the OL.

People seem to want it both ways, if we don't get OL the Cowboys do not care about the position if we do well then we should have got more on the trade.

I think the biggest factor again was the rush on OL players in this draft with a historical 7 players taking with the 1st 11 picks of the draft. I have had people on this board tell me you don't take Guards early in the 1st rd well 2 NFL teams took them in the top 10, well I guess teams around the NFL disagree.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Kiffin did not veto the pick.

Jerry Jones, based on his feedback, did.

Ultimately, he made the decision and has direct accountability for overruling his scouts and destroying the integrity of the board.

All in all, the biggest damage was to the scouts, who now know they can do the same hard work next year and get overruled based on the advise Jones heeds from a coordinator or whomever decides to bend his ear the hardest. There is a large reason we have the dysfunction we do from year to year in the draft.

I'm sorry, but if my defensive coordinator says a player is not a fit for his system, I'm not drafting that players. It's the same reason we didn't draft a quarterback even though several fell on our board.