BTB: Cowboys 2013 Draft Board Leaked... All Seven Rounds (Link Post #21) *Merge*

[Cowboys22]

I think they left Floyd at 5 on their board and didn't really discuss him much before the draft because they fully expected him to be gone before 18. When he was there, they had to have the discussion. Scouts always want the higher rate player because that represents their hard work. Coaches want the players they have singled out as the best fits for their scheme and they want players that fill holes in the starting lineup. Once Kiffin and/or Marinelli tells Jerry they don't really like Floyd for their scheme, Jerry decided to stick to the original plan. Vaccaro was gone so they had planned to trade down for an OL and that's what they did. Many people want to beat up on Jerry but I think he did the 100% right thing. He listened to his coaches and stuck to the original plan. There are 12-15 other teams that passed on Floyd as well. There is something about him that's lots of teams didn't like. Personally, I don't like how they put their board together if they are going to pick players lower on their board 4 out of 7 picks, but there a ton we probably don't know. The only thing we can really do is cheer for the guys they pick and forget about who they could have picked.

 

[Risen Star]

I haven't even read this thread. I'm just numb to the fact we are so mismanaged that stuff like this comes out to the general public.

 

[Risen Star]

Why am I not seeing Larry Warford on our board?

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Why am I not seeing Larry Warford on our board?

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5093214&postcount=180

 

[Risen Star]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5093214&postcount=180

Raise your foam fingers in victory or something.

Now for the others...we seriously didn't have Larry Warford on our board or did I miss him? What an indictment on our scouting department.

 

[ThreeandOut]

That was Calvin Watkins' speculation. That 100% for sure means nothing.
If Jerry or Jason or the head scout says they were taking Vacarro at 18 instead of the the 2for1 trade, then that is a real source.

Why would the actual draft day board have Floyd at 5 if they did not like him a ton?
The issue was that they wanted Oline help and it was looking bleak. They got the 2for1 offer for pick 18 and Jerry took it.

I'm not complaining. But no, I do not thing they liked Vacarro more than Floyd. The board says plain and clearly otherwise.

It wasn't simply Calvin Watkins speculation. It was being reported by The Ticket during their draft coverage and by Charean Williams as well. It's funny how you dismiss this article as Calvin Watkins speculation but in post #2 of the thread you're accepting another statement that he made at face value.

It's pretty clear the defensive coaches didn't view Floyd as the #5 player in this draft. I think if those coaches had been with the Cowboys longer, he wouldn't have been the #5 player on their board.

 

[Risen Star]

It wasn't simply Calvin Watkins speculation. It was being reported by The Ticket during their draft coverage and by Charean Williams as well. It's funny how you dismiss this article as Calvin Watkins speculation but in post #2 of the thread you're accepting another statement that he made at face value.

It's pretty clear the defensive coaches didn't view Floyd as the #5 player in this draft. I think if those coaches had been with the Cowboys longer, he wouldn't have been the #5 player on their board.

Huh? They were there for the entire process that coaches get involved with the draft pick evaluations. Stop excusing reaching for need. That's exactly what we did.

 

[ThreeandOut]

Huh? They were there for the entire process that coaches get involved with the draft pick evaluations. Stop excusing reaching for need. That's exactly what we did.

How exactly did we reach?

 

[Risen Star]

How exactly did we reach?

Instead of taking prime value on our board we moved down, in a trade that was lopsided against us in terms of chart value, because we were targeting need and a lesser player.

We were drafting for need. Not BPA. No question about it. And I like Frederick. I was probably one of his biggest supporters on this board pre-draft.

 

[ThreeandOut]

Instead of taking prime value on our board we moved down, in a trade that was lopsided against us in terms of chart value, because we were targeting need and a lesser player.

We were drafting for need. Not BPA. No question about it. And I like Frederick. I was probably one of his biggest supporters on this board pre-draft.

I agree the pick was for need but the purpose of the trade down was to better align his draft slot with their grade on him. So I wouldn't consider the pick to be a reach.

You should be glad they took Frederick. If they hadn't gotten him, they may have not selected an OL based on their OL grades compared to where OLs were actually selected.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Instead of taking prime value on our board we moved down, in a trade that was lopsided against us in terms of chart value, because we were targeting need and a lesser player.

We were drafting for need. Not BPA. No question about it. And I like Frederick. I was probably one of his biggest supporters on this board pre-draft.

Where in all that did you describe a situation where we picked a player, when we made a selection that was not aligned with our draft board.

Drafting is about plugging holes and aligning value with selections. One would have to be...challenged....to look at the Cowboys selections and think they did anything but.

Would I have liked to get more than a 3rd rounder? Yes. Unfortunately this isn't like Madden where you can just force any team to trade with you. In real life you need two people to dance. I'm sure they took the best offer that was available.

Had they had no trade partners i'm sure they would have taken Floyd. Because...you know...that's how you draft.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

How did we reach for need. I would like you to explain this. Try to use logic. The world is watching.

Yeah I'd like an answer to this as well. It has been reviewed and agreed on that Fredrick was our BPA according to the board at 31. You know the board made by the organization not Joe Schmo's online mock

 

[DFWJC]

It wasn't simply Calvin Watkins speculation. It was being reported by The Ticket during their draft coverage and by Charean Williams as well. It's funny how you dismiss this article as Calvin Watkins speculation but in post #2 of the thread you're accepting another statement that he made at face value.

It's pretty clear the defensive coaches didn't view Floyd as the #5 player in this draft. I think if those coaches had been with the Cowboys longer, he wouldn't have been the #5 player on their board.

I took nothing about what he said at face value except simple facts stating the players that we drafted. That is not specualtion, that is fact.

His reasons, on the other hand, are speculation unless he provides quotes. He has no secret inside information.

All I said (basically condescendingly) was that i thought Hanna and Harris were two of our more promising young players.
You are making a huge leap to read more into those simple words.

I NEVER take what Watkins (and most of the other wirters) says as anything other than his opinion unless he is quoting someone.

Like I said already; in the end I think Jerry thought that given the serious need at Oline, it was worth it to take the 2 for 1 deal for pick 18 instead of taking Floyd.
He ended up with Frederick and Williams for Floyd...imo. We'll see how that goes, but I feel that is what happended.

The safety class was deep in the later rounds, so regardless of what some speculate, I think if they had stayed at 18 and IF both Floyd and Vacarro were there, they would have honored their board and taken Floyd. But once the oline prospects were picked off, I think Jerry was hell bent on trading down.

 

[DFWJC]

After the trade down to 31, Dallas DID take the BPA on their board when they took Frederick.

All of the players with first round grades were gone by then. I suspect that they thought at maybe one of their guys with a 1st round grade may still be there at 31, but none were.

They had Frederick rated as an upper 2nd round player (4th on their 2nd round list) but simply did not want to risk him not being there at 47....so they took him at the end of the 1st. At least by their board, they had him rated only slightly below ( anywhere from 6-10 or so picks lower) where they ended up taking him.

It'd be nice if they could have gotten slightly more for the trade dwon, but you only get what the market will give you. Of course, they could have just not traded down and taken BPA at 18. But that didn't happen.

 

[Risen Star]

Where in all that did you describe a situation where we picked a player, when we made a selection that was not aligned with our draft board.

Drafting is about plugging holes and aligning value with selections.

Drafting is not about plugging holes. Free agency is for that. You draft to acquire talent and we passed on a much better prospect per our own board to take a lopsided trade with the mindset to fill a need.

 

[Risen Star]

Yeah I'd like an answer to this as well. It has been reviewed and agreed on that Fredrick was our BPA according to the board at 31. You know the board made by the organization not Joe Schmo's online mock

The same board that had Jason Williams and Robert Brewster value? The same board that had David Arkin the pick? Akwasi Owusu-Ansah?

I had no idea that board was so flawless.

You don't judge a reach by what that team's board looked like. Of course that team feels differently. They selected him. When the Raiders took Michael Mitchell in the 2nd round four years ago he wasn't a reach on their board. But he was on everybody else's and his play has proven it.

There's simply no way to spin it. We approached the first round drafting for need over the BPA. That almost always fails.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Raise your foam fingers in victory or something.

Now for the others...we seriously didn't have Larry Warford on our board or did I miss him? What an indictment on our scouting department.

Or of your talent evaluation.

 

[DFWJC]

There have been a couple of people talking out of both sides of their mouths regarding the Cowboy's board and the draft.
On one side they say, "see, according to our board we honored our board and drafted well". That's fine.
But you then can't also say "even though our board had Floyd as 5th best overall in the entoire draft, that was a mistake and not really our board. We didn't really like him that muc and/or he didn't fit our scheme". :laugh2:

Face it, we wanted a lineman and traded away from by far our BPA at 18 to get one. The Cowboys did get a 2 for 1 deal in the trade down, so it could have been worse (for example, if they had taken freddy at 18...lol).

For all we know, Floyd may flop. But the fact is that he WAS 5th on the Cowboys' board. No denying it if you believe that actually was their board. It either is or it isn't...can't have it both ways.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The same board that had Jason Williams and Robert Brewster value? The same board that had David Arkin the pick? Akwasi Owusu-Ansah?

The same board that also valued Smith, Lee, Carter and on and on. Teams miss. Ask Patriots fans.

You don't judge a reach by what that team's board looked like. Of course that team feels differently. They selected him. When the Raiders took Michael Mitchell in the 2nd round four years ago he wasn't a reach on their board. But he was on everybody else's and his play has proven it.

If we can't value a reach based on someone's board how do you so accurately do it? Whose board outside of the Cowboys have you seen?

Holy double standards.

There's simply no way to spin it. We approached the first round drafting for need over the BPA. That almost always fails.

You have still failed to conclusively show that. In fact all evidence points against said fact....evidence that you just decided to dismiss since it went against your agenda.

You're transparent.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

The same board that had Jason Williams and Robert Brewster value? The same board that had David Arkin the pick? Akwasi Owusu-Ansah?

I had no idea that board was so flawless.

You don't judge a reach by what that team's board looked like. Of course that team feels differently. They selected him. When the Raiders took Michael Mitchell in the 2nd round four years ago he wasn't a reach on their board. But he was on everybody else's and his play has proven it.

There's simply no way to spin it. We approached the first round drafting for need over the BPA. That almost always fails.

You have no idea what other boards look like, so please stop spewing such nonsense.