BTB: Cowboys 2013 Draft Board Leaked... All Seven Rounds (Link Post #21) *Merge*

[DFWJC]

According to their board, Dallas getting both Frederick and Williams for pick 18 was a pretty decent deal.
With New York staying put and taking Pugh at 19, it makes that trade dwon look even better.

I'm still baffled that they passed on Floyd. I felt certain they had him ranked highly, and they did.
But they managed to get online help with the trade dwon and they ended up rallying for a good draft anyway--at least according to the team's board.

 

[jterrell]

Teams miss on guys all the time. It's all in the eyes of the scout, and Banks and Trufant might be mediocre at best. Who knows?

Curtis Enis, Rashan Salaam, Ki-Jana Carter, Felix Jones, Blair Thomas, Ron Dayne, Chris Perry, Tim Biatkabatuka, DJ Dozier, Michael Haddix.....

All those running backs were drafted in the first round. How'd they turn out?

Trufant and Banks were blah on tape this year.

Banks was great a year earlier and Trufant had a great post-season/off-season but when scouts evaluated game tapes of their final seasons they were fairly mediocre players. Trufant didn't show much in the way of ball skills and his coverage ability was considered only solid until the Senior Bowl/Combine workouts where he lit it up. The guy had almost 50 collegiate games and finished with 6 INTs total. Not a good fit for a defense who puts a premium on picking off the ball.

Dallas may be wrong on those guys but they probably weren't alone in those rankings of them.

 

[Miller]

Shaking head on the Floyd pick then

Not sure how to treat the information. It makes it look like they got a lot of "hits" according to THEIR board but their board hasn't always been that great. So that isn't much info to hang your hat on. I'd like to see it matched with other boards.

As usual, I was 5 pages behind after only seeing this on Twitter...damn work

Chris Wesseling ‏@ChrisWesseling 7m
So Cowboys passed on their No. 5 rated player (DT Sharrif Floyd) to trade down? @BryanBroaddus previously confirmed a top-10 grade for Floyd

 

[Doomsday101]

According to their board, Dallas getting both Frederick and Williams for pick 18 was a pretty decent deal.
With New York staying put and taking Pugh at 19, it makes that trade dwon look even better.

I'm still baffled that they passed on Floyd. I felt certain they had him ranked highly, and they did.
But they managed to get online help with the trade dwon and they ended up rallying for a good draft anyway--at least according to the team's board.

I think a big factor was the how quick OL players fell in this draft. That many OL players going in the 1st rd including 5 going in the top 10 in pretty much unheard of. I think Frederick stock rose in the eyes of the Cowboys. Passing on Floyd and getting 2 guys you have ranked as 2nd rd players I think will prove to be a good move for the Cowboys. Not knocking Floyd.

 

[Marktui]

I'm not a JJ fan at all, but I do not believe it was Jerry's decision alone to pass on Floyd.

Could it be that it was deadlocked at take Floyd or take the trade and Jerry broke the tie? Just a thought.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Could it be that it was deadlocked at take Floyd or take the trade and Jerry broke the tie? Just a thought.

If anyone recalls the war room footage at that time, your theory is the most plausible.

There was a lot of convincing going on by Jerry and Stephen, tho. Not sure who else was involved in that convo.

What I do recall is that JG and TC had very unhappy expressions on their face.

 

[jterrell]

Shaking head on the Floyd pick then

Not sure how to treat the information. It makes it look like they got a lot of "hits" according to THEIR board but their board hasn't always been that great. So that isn't much info to hang your hat on. I'd like to see it matched with other boards.

As usual, I was 5 pages behind after only seeing this on Twitter...damn work

their board looked pretty good with dez bryant, sean lee, bruce carter, james hanna on it at higher spots than for other teams.

not sure i agree the team has drafted poorly recently. in 2008 every player they drafted started NFL games. maybe not star level players but at least marginal NFL starters.

in 2009 hard to blame their board for trading for RW11.

2010 is Dez, Sean Lee, Lissemore and Brent.... wow.
2011 is super early but Smith, Carter, Murray, Harris looks pretty good right now.
2012 is beyond super early but Mo, Crawford, Wilber, Johnson, Hanna doesnt seem bad at all.

 

[Sb or Bust]

It is better that the draft board leaks after the draft than before the draft #silverlinning

 

[jterrell]

If anyone recalls the war room footage at that time, your theory is the most plausible.

There was a lot of convincing going on by Jerry and Stephen, tho. Not sure who else was involved in that convo.

What I do recall is that JG and TC had very unhappy expressions on their face.

I believe enough info has spread to suggest Kiffen and ESPECIALLY Marinelli said pass when asked about Floyd. They didn't want to use pick 18 on a 1T in their defense. They wanted some LBs/DBs and apparently to keep the DL we had whom they feel are going to be better pass rushers than Floyd is.

Clearly everyone wasn't on board THEN Jerry took the punt option and traded down. No convincing required at 31. We took the last starting rated OL left.

 

[xwalker]

Anyone have a guess as to who this is they have ranked in the 5th round?

k johnson n/a

I've even searched for an undrafted guy under Johnson and came up with nothing, except J. Johnson-Webb(OT).

It is Keelan Johnson (Safety).

You can see it here: http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2013...ft-board-leaked-almost-complete-7-round-board

 

[Machete]

another way to look at it is which is better:

a) Floyd or
b) Frederick and Williams

I like b) so far.

 

[Miller]

their board looked pretty good with dez bryant, sean lee, bruce carter, james hanna on it at higher spots than for other teams.

not sure i agree the team has drafted poorly recently. in 2008 every player they drafted started NFL games. maybe not star level players but at least marginal NFL starters.

in 2009 hard to blame their board for trading for RW11.

2010 is Dez, Sean Lee, Lissemore and Brent.... wow.
2011 is super early but Smith, Carter, Murray, Harris looks pretty good right now.
2012 is beyond super early but Mo, Crawford, Wilber, Johnson, Hanna doesnt seem bad at all.

When you put it paper it sounds good but guys like Lee haven't played a lot...Brent and Lissemore? I mean there are a lot of question marks there. The fact is we should have guys in that 5 year range that are the core and all the guys are gone. I also don't agree with 2009 considering how much we gave up for a mercurial guy. It wasn't meant as a rip but overall we haven't gotten a "core" for this team from some of those early drafts so until we see the ones that "look" good now, I'm just withholding judgement. And I know some will say.."well they got talent with Lee, Murray, etc." Well they also had injury histories so that all goes into account. Just really talking to myself about it. Many guys look good but I'm wondering how much we are getting out of them. So I'm a little gun shy trusting their drafting instincts. It would be great if the last 3 ended up being that core!

 

[xwalker]

Some notable players that I didn't notice on our draft board: Matt Elam, Tyrann Mathieu, Terron Armstead, Alvin Bailey, Marcus Lattimore, C. Faulk. I'm sure there are others. It looks like we weren't as high on J. Cyprien as some had speculated. Sylvester Williams was a late 2nd rounder and well behind Frederick on our board. We also seem to think that Kyle Long, Datone Jones, Hayden and Trufant were reaches.

Bailey is in the 7th on the 1st chart on this page:http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2013...ft-board-leaked-almost-complete-7-round-board

 

[ThreeandOut]

If anyone recalls the war room footage at that time, your theory is the most plausible.

There was a lot of convincing going on by Jerry and Stephen, tho. Not sure who else was involved in that convo.

What I do recall is that JG and TC had very unhappy expressions on their face.

There was also discussion that Dallas was going to trade back after Vacarro went off the board. They had a trade in place that fell through and they then ended up making the trade with San Francisco.

So the disagreement in the war room may not have been about trading back as much as it was about trading back with San Francisco. If the intent was to trade back to get either Frederick or Pugh as had been reported, Garrett had to be nervous about getting one of these players after Pugh and Long went off the board at 19 and 20.

 

[erod]

Shaking head on the Floyd pick then

Not sure how to treat the information. It makes it look like they got a lot of "hits" according to THEIR board but their board hasn't always been that great. So that isn't much info to hang your hat on. I'd like to see it matched with other boards.

As usual, I was 5 pages behind after only seeing this on Twitter...damn work

Defensive tackles taken early make me nervous.

Dewayne Robertson, Glenn Dorsey, Broderick Bunkley, Justin Harrell, Amobi Okoye, Sedrick Ellis, Jerry Peria, Tyson Alualu....they seem to bust frequently.

And I heard it reported several times that Floyd didn't make many plays in college of note.

 

[xwalker]

So the disagreement in the war room may not have been about trading back as much as it was about trading back with San Francisco. If the intent was to trade back to get either Frederick or Pugh as had been reported,

Yes, one report indicated that the issue was that Garrett thought that they should get more in the trade.

 

[ufcrules1]

Yes, one report indicated that the issue was that Garrett thought that they should get more in the trade.

Garrett was right, either take Floyd or get more in the trade. Jerry was just so obsessed with trading in the first place that he wasn't going to listen to anyone. He is the big bad boss.

So dumb!

 

[jobberone]

They spend a lot of time and money on constructing a board which gives them some pseudo-objective means of sorting players and options. However, they still understand any board they put together is often not going to reflect the reality of how one specific player will do. Even ranking players as first round talent will only get you a coin flip for success although certain positions can do better.

So you spend a great deal of effort to grade players because that's the best you can do knowing the entire league often gets it completely wrong.

The point of all that is you have to balance long term needs with short term ones basing those decisions on rankings you know are on average often wrong. So taking a starting quality OL which you need now much more than a starting quality DL is a no brainer. Getting your panties in a wad over picking a lower ranked player is based on the illusion that your board is an actual reflection of talent and success in the NFL.

Oh, and BTW, you shouldn't complain about not taking a higher ranked player on the board then also complain the board means nothing because Dallas never gets it right anyway. One kinda undermines the other.

 

[AbeBeta]

Wow, I can see why they feel they had a heck of a draft after seeing their board.

I expect that most teams end up with that sort of draft. If you are really bad at this, you can easily rack up tons of selections of guys who you have high grades on that end up falling (because other teams don't have them graded highly)

 

[erod]

Jerry is a bit busted here, after claiming that had Frederick with a first-round grade at 22 or whatever. Obviously, they had him in the second round.