BTB: Cowboys 2013 Draft Board Leaked... All Seven Rounds (Link Post #21) *Merge*

[Toruk_Makto]

What's with the star next to players? Reid?

Yeah, I'd like to see the rest of the pictures.....these don't do much for me. Jerry standing there covering a bunch of them.

Jerry said the guys with the stars are players they viewed as being very intelligent.

 

[big dog cowboy]

when we ended up drafting a center who likely could have been available much later.

You don't know that.

 

[arglebargle]

Not sure how that board jives with the best GMs in the NFL, but clearly Jerry and Co. have not been at the elite level of evaluating and drafting.

Navarro .... Bowman....

 

[85Cowboy85]

There's nothing surprising here really. At least not with regard to the players concerning the Cowboys. Basically everything Jerry said in his post draft presser was true and the stories about Floyd being high on the board were true. According to the team they always select players that are at or close to the top of the board and they clearly did that at each pick as well.

I'm not one of those who ever really questioned the general drafting strategy this team has used the past 5-7 years. Of course there were times when the deviated from BPA and I thought they should have stuck to it (See LeSean McCoy). But for the most part they were taking the best players which is what almost every other GM in the league does. It's really much more about scouting.

When GMs take BPA they will always tend to pick the players they have higher grades on then the rest of the league. Every team in the league probably thinks they got value in the draft. It's all about whose scouts are correct and whose coaching staff can develop talent.

The real trick to being a GM is not the decision making on draft day. The decision making is the easy part. The tricky part is what comes before draft day. How do you evaluate the evalualuators? How do I organize my scouting department? What criteria do I have for hireling new scouts? What are the areas the scouting needs to improve in? That's what I worry about Jerry doing. I don't think criticism of Jerry is unwarranted. However much of what is written here is barking up the wrong tree IMO.

 

[jobberone]

There's nothing surprising here really. At least not with regard to the players concerning the Cowboys. Basically everything Jerry said in his post draft presser was true and the stories about Floyd being high on the board were true. According to the team they always select players that are at or close to the top of the board and they clearly did that at each pick as well.

I'm not one of those who ever really questioned the general drafting strategy this team has used the past 5-7 years. Of course there were times when the deviated from BPA and I thought they should have stuck to it (See LeSean McCoy). But for the most part they were taking the best players which is what almost every other GM in the league does. It's really much more about scouting.

When GMs take BPA they will always tend to pick the players they have higher grades on then the rest of the league. Every team in the league probably thinks they got value in the draft. It's all about whose scouts are correct and whose coaching staff can develop talent.

The real trick to being a GM is not the decision making on draft day. The decision making is the easy part. The tricky part is what comes before draft day. How do you evaluate the evalualuators? How do I organize my scouting department? What criteria do I have for hireling new scouts? What are the areas the scouting needs to improve in? That's what I worry about Jerry doing. I don't think criticism of Jerry is unwarranted. However much of what is written here is barking up the wrong tree IMO.

On the nosey. Said it better than I've ever done. This is where Parcells left much of his influence on the club. Hiring the scouts and setting up the organization and operation of that department is vital with FA and the cap.

 

[Miller]

They spend a lot of time and money on constructing a board which gives them some pseudo-objective means of sorting players and options. However, they still understand any board they put together is often not going to reflect the reality of how one specific player will do. Even ranking players as first round talent will only get you a coin flip for success although certain positions can do better.

So you spend a great deal of effort to grade players because that's the best you can do knowing the entire league often gets it completely wrong.

The point of all that is you have to balance long term needs with short term ones basing those decisions on rankings you know are on average often wrong. So taking a starting quality OL which you need now much more than a starting quality DL is a no brainer. Getting your panties in a wad over picking a lower ranked player is based on the illusion that your board is an actual reflection of talent and success in the NFL.

Oh, and BTW, you shouldn't complain about not taking a higher ranked player on the board then also complain the board means nothing because Dallas never gets it right anyway. One kinda undermines the other.

Not when the one ranked higher was actually ranked that high with many teams compared to what the other option was. Just playing Devil's advocate here.

 

[cowboysooner]

My biggest problem with the draft is not taking Everett Dawkins or DC Jefferson with the pick in the 6th round. Instead they took Holloman who is 30 players worse on their board and probably a drastically different grade.

It is not as though Holloman is a walk in starter anyway. Durant is definitely here this year and Sims is a passable backup at the WILL for a couple of hundred thousand more. Being able to get a guy or guys you have as 3rd round talents in the 6th or 7th is pretty rare.

I'm sure they tried, but it would have been great to get a 6th or 7th round pick from San Fran in the trade or even trade out of the JJ Wilcox pick because there was so much talent left according to their board.

 

[speedkilz88]

My biggest problem with the draft is not taking Everett Dawkins or DC Jefferson with the pick in the 6th round. Instead they took Holloman who is 30 players worse on their board and probably a drastically different grade.

It is not as though Holloman is a walk in starter anyway. Durant is definitely here this year and Sims is a passable backup at the WILL for a couple of hundred thousand more. Being able to get a guy or guys you have as 3rd round talents in the 6th or 7th is pretty rare.

I'm sure they tried, but it would have been great to get a 6th or 7th round pick from San Fran in the trade or even trade out of the JJ Wilcox pick because there was so much talent left according to their board.

Kiffin was in their ear that he needed LBs and had plenty of DL.(He even said it draft night on thefan after the 5th round) They also reportedly did try to get back into the draft for DC Jefferson.

 

[Noryb]

So the Vikings got 3 players in our top 13? That's insane!

 

[Doomsday101]

You don't know that.

I agree. To claim Frederick would have been there later is like claiming no way 6 OL player would have been drafted in the 1st 11 picks of the draft. :laugh2:

After a big run on OL Cowboys would have been foolish not to take a player they had highly rated.

 

[Floatyworm]

Letting this get out again is pure amateur hour.

No...this is the scouting dept. throwing Jerry under the bus

And I love it!!!!!!

If drunk Jerry is gonna run the show on draft night....then he needs to be accountable for ruining the draft.

Not the scouts....

Not the head coach....

Not the assistant coaches....

It's all on Jerry.

And now we have proof drunk Jerry has undermined his own franchise once again:laugh2:

 

[Wood]

clearly Jerry felt pressure from media & fans to select an OL in 1st round even if Top 5 talent (floyd) dropped to him. I think Jerry going with Frederick at 18 was as much of PR move as football decision. The fallout from this is high as everyone now has evidence that Floyd was #5 on their own board. More drama for Dallas.

 

[Doomsday101]

clearly Jerry felt pressure from media & fans to select an OL in 1st round even if Top 5 talent (floyd) dropped to him. I think Jerry going with Frederick at 18 was as much of PR move as football decision. The fallout from this is high as everyone now has evidence that Floyd was #5 on their own board. More drama for Dallas.

Dallas got 2 player instead of just Floyd. Both players were rated as 2nd rd selection on our board so Cowboys thought highly of both. I'll gladly take 2 players over 1 in this crap shoot of a draft.

 

[Idgit]

So the Vikings got 3 players in our top 13? That's insane!

Yeah, the Vikes pretty much won the draft that first day. They didn't get the credit for it I thought they would, either. That team went from looking like a declining mess to looking pretty good on paper in a hurry last season. If Ponder can just be adequate for them, they'll be competitive for the balance of AD's career.

 

[Wood]

Dallas got 2 player instead of just Floyd. Both players were rated as 2nd rd selection on our board so Cowboys thought highly of both. I'll gladly take 2 players over 1 in this crap shoot of a draft.

It might work out for Dallas but Floyd is X factor in that decision. If he blows in Minny it will be Randy Moss Part 2 all over again about how Jerry discredited his scouts/draft board to make a 'gut decision'.

 

[jterrell]

Letting this get out again is pure amateur hour.

Is it?
Are you here talking about it?

How exactly does it hurt the team in any way whatsoever?

 

[speedkilz88]

clearly Jerry felt pressure from media & fans to select an OL in 1st round even if Top 5 talent (floyd) dropped to him. I think Jerry going with Frederick at 18 was as much of PR move as football decision. The fallout from this is high as everyone now has evidence that Floyd was #5 on their own board. More drama for Dallas.

If you were in Jerry's shoes what would you have done if Kiffin and Marinelli are telling you they don't want the guy because he's not a pass rusher and there is only one starting caliber OL left?(2 starting caliber OL left at 18)

 

[Doomsday101]

It might work out for Dallas but Floyd is X factor in that decision. If he blows in Minny it will be Randy Moss Part 2 all over again about how Jerry discredited his scouts/draft board to make a 'gut decision'.

Floyd is a run stopper his stats in college are not blowing off the doors as a pass rusher. We got a top Center in the draft and a WR that lead the nation. Floyd sure as hell is not Randy Moss.

Dallas got 2 top rated players on their board instead of 1.

As for Moss that was a different deal 1st off we took Ellis one player not 2 instead of selecting Moss. 2nd with all the problems the Cowboys were facing with off the field problems the media would have been all over the Cowboys, at that time Dallas was trying to clean up a big mess with Irvin and others including the death of Mark Tunie getting Moss at that point would have told everyone we were not concered about problem players

 

[jterrell]

I agree with everything you said except it was Jimmy's fault for Lacewell. At least he shares responsibility. Jimmy Johnson was still with the Cowboys in 1992 when Lacewell was hired. He hired him because he had fresh eyes on the college talent and Jimmy had been out of college for 4 years already.

Jimmy and Jerry ran the same circles obviously being college teammates and life long residents of ARK/OU/East TEX.

But only Jerry could hire/fire once Jimmy left and he promoted Lacewell.

By all accounts Larry is a real dude. Lovable as the day is long and a serious crony of both Jerry/Jimmy. But the facts are he was a terrible personnel guy at a time when this team tried to limp along at a high level and then also when it was full on rebuilding.

 

[jterrell]

It amazes me that after 17-18 years of rebuilding some folks still defend Jones...This is the Dallas Freekin Cowboys..Aren't the standards supposed to be a wee bit higher. Anyone else would have been fired 14 years ago. You can say I have an agenda all you want. My agenda is to see the Dallas Cowboys be better than the Seahawks, Falcons, Ravens, and the rest of the NFL.. It's pitiful when teams like the 9ers and Texans are better than us...

ROFL... 17 years of rebuilding that has included a few division titles and 7 playoff seasons. Good game, good effort. Please post more.