Burger King- Thinks Cowboys will cut TO

[theogt]

Romo made one comment about the scheme not working and you think he's gone baby TO on Garrett? I do think it would make a huge difference if Owens is gone and the players know who's running the show (and it isn't Owens).

When's the last time Romo criticized anyone or anything? It was the heat of the moment and he let it slip. It says a lot.

 

[djmajestik]

Please please Please let this be true.

I will do my homework every night, brush my teeth and make my bed for a month.

I will even take out the garbage.

Was that a metaphor about TO?

 

[5Countem5]

Again, one problem in all this...

Well, actually there are 9 million problems .

 

[Ren]

So let me get this straight... if he picks a bright 41 year old coach, over a 35 year old prima-donna horrible track record having weirdo receiver, Jerry's dumb? LMAzO!!! Where do you get your logic from? You would make Spocks head explode.. Seriously.

At what point this season did Garrett even look like decent coach?

But yeah lets blame TO for Garrett's shortcomings as a OC i'm sure he'll do better with less talent on the team to distract him :bang2:

 

[stiletto]

And the offensive coordinator looks like he's in over his head, both in terms of innovation, placalling, and dealing with his players. The guy just looks not ready for prime time. And I don't think the current team can afford to wait and hope that he gets it.

stasheroo, What did you think of Garrett last year/his first year here??

What if he just had a down year this year? i mean the guy is only 41. He can correct his mistakes and grow...should we just throw him or any other coach that has a sophomore slump to the curb immediately? Are you sure your logic is correct?

 

[dbair1967]

It was the heat of the moment and he let it slip. It says a lot.

You said it all...it was heat of the moment after a loss in which he himself had played poorly again

I think everyone there is frustrated...cutting TO, who probably is one of the biggest problems will help alleviate some of that frustration. He isnt the sole problem, but I do think he's a big part of it.

 

[stiletto]

At what point this season did Garrett even look like decent coach?

But yeah lets blame TO for Garrett's shortcomings as a OC i'm sure he'll do better with less talent on the team to distract him :bang2:

What did you think of Garrett his first year?? So you want to dump Garrett after a slightly down sophomore season that was plagued with injuries and distractions caused by OTHERS? Sorry I'll take my chances with Garrett long-term.

 

[dbair1967]

At what point this season did Garrett even look like decent coach?
:

gee I dunno, the first three games of the season? the Cinci game? SF and Seattle? 2nd NYG game?

all last yr?

 

[5Countem5]

So if TO is gonna get cut and he HAS divided this locker room, what are all the other TO guys gonna think? He hasn't done anything to be cut in their minds, has he? So what does Newman, the wrs and all the other players feel about Jerry?


(note- I think this is all media BS but since most of you are thrilled to play "what if"- Im just playing along)

 

[theogt]

You said it all...it was heat of the moment after a loss in which he himself had played poorly again

I think everyone there is frustrated...cutting TO, who probably is one of the biggest problems will help alleviate some of that frustration. He isnt the sole problem, but I do think he's a big part of it.

In the heat of the moment, you're more apt to say what you're truly thinking and not hold back. I think Romo truly believes scheme was the biggest problem.

I think there are two problems on the offense -- inability to pick up the blitz, and predictable playcalling. You fix those two problems and this would be a record setting offense. Getting rid of TO makes us worse.

 

[theebs]

CL,

He could very well be released. but it seems like every year we have a T.O. watch. Every year people asking if Jerry pays T.O.'s bonus. More people may be watching, but I don't think the question being asked is anything new, nor should it hold anymore importance than any other year.

If the team releases him, they release him. If they don't, they don't.

what you have to add into the equation is that owens, just like wade phillips were hired to be short term result getters. they were both brought in to maximize a short term goal, neither is a long term solution or a member of the equation that will lead to winning in the future.

Jerry at some point is going to realize his short term hires in owens and phillips didnt work and move forward. And when he does I will be the first one applauding Jerry. He rolled the dice on a player who can bring big results in a year or two if your lucky before the other side of him comes out. Wade phillips has a track record of putting teams into the playoffs immediately.

Both were short term risks, it is now time to move on from the short term gambles. the long term is what is important now.

There is a chance here for jerry to straighten everything out. Get rid of owens and phillips and install some discipline again and you can clean this whole mess up since you removed the other 2 knuckleheads in jones and tank.

Releasing owens and firing phillips would cause a ton of chaos in feb, march and maybe april. But if the right hire is made and a figurehead is put in place that guys will have no choice but to respect, the training camp will be a calm goal oriented place.

there is a lot of young talent on this team, mixed with great players at their peak, I would hate to see it wasted for a year or two more with this constant nonsense from the head coach and the golden boy.

And for anyone with the smart aleck response of should we cut crayton and newman and williams too....the answer is no. When discipline, respect and trust are put back into place all those guys will fall into place. Especially if we are playing well.

now the big question is, does jerry have the cajones to make a real risky PR move like this? there is a good chance if he makes those two moves everyone will complain and the offense will take a few games if not half the season to getting used to not having a home run hitter and we will have to be more methodical.

Its the right move.

 

[5Stars]

Again, one problem in all this...

Well, actually there are 9 million problems .

You ever heard of the phrase, "It's cheaper to keep her"? Believe me, during a divorce one side or the other is going to pay to get rid of a headache!


Your smarter than that!


I think?

 

[dbair1967]

In the heat of the moment, you're more apt to say what you're thinking and not hold back.

I think there are two problems on the offense -- inability to pick up the blitz, and predictable playcalling. You fix those two problems and this would be a record setting offense. Getting rid of TO makes us worse.

How long do you think he is an impact player though? I think at his best he'd be no better than he was this yr, when he was just a "good" player.

They gave up alot and paid a ton for Roy Williams to eventually be THE guy, Crayton is a good 2/3, and Miles Austin could be quite a weapon with more PT, perhaps even as the #2 opp Roy Williams. We have Witten and Bennett too.

I think he's addition by subtraction at this point.

 

[Iago33]

I really thought until Owens' interview with Sanders that Owens was on our team and helping us to win. I have since discovered that he has always only been on his own team. Unlike last year, I'd rather go 7-9 without Owens than 9-7 with him. At least I might have hope that we would be moving forward and it might get better. I don't want another year of the same.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Just because I don't feel like making a new thread. Does anyone have any credible evidence in regard to who the 'rat' may have been last year?

I didn't like how Carpenter was getting serious face time on ESPN, right after all the drama went down.

 

[Ren]

What did you think of Garrett his first year?? So you want to dump Garrett after a slightly down sophomore season that was plagued with injuries and distractions caused by OTHERS? Sorry I'll take my chances with Garrett long-term.

He looked good until people figured out his offense and since then he's looked ********, like a poor mans Martz.
Looks like it's going to take another season of pure 100% fail before people realize how bad of a job this staff has been doing, blame it all on TO and watch him get cut only for our offense suck even more

 

[dadymat]

how come yall keep spewing all this

1) it was the o lines fault
2) it was the OC fault
3) he aint the only problem
4) our offense wont be as good
5) if Romo protected the ball
6) everyone else complains about Garrett
7) because he shows emotion on the sideline
8) Media bushwacked him
9) so and so and so and so....complain to why not cut them
10) all wrs scream at the coaches
11) hes a great player
12) 10 tds


WE KNOW.........


all these things we know ........yall just fail to see the real reasons WHY the so called T.O. haters want him gone ....it has nothing to do with any of those reasons so quit spewing it....its pointless..

 

[Stash]

stasheroo, What did you think of Garrett last year/his first year here??

What if he just had a down year this year? i mean the guy is only 41. He can correct his mistakes and grow...should we just throw him or any other coach that has a sophomore slump to the curb immediately? Are you sure your logic is correct?

Who says?

When does that day come?

And who's left here if or when it comes?

With many Garrett seems to automatically get the benefit of the doubt as if it's a guarantee that he's the next great coach in the making.

I don't give him that benefit of the doubt but go more by what I see - a guy who underachieved with the tools he'd been given.

 

[theogt]

How long do you think he is an impact player though? I think at his best he'd be no better than he was this yr, when he was just a "good" player.

They gave up alot and paid a ton for Roy Williams to eventually be THE guy, Crayton is a good 2/3, and Miles Austin could be quite a weapon with more PT, perhaps even as the #2 opp Roy Williams. We have Witten and Bennett too.

I think he's addition by subtraction at this point.

I think he's got at least 2 more years of high level production in him.

TO's stats with Tony Romo, annualized over a 16 game season:

1172 yards (9th in NFL)
11 TDs (3rd in NFL)
16.7 YPC (3rd highest among top 10 receivers in NFL)

Those are top 5 receiver-type stats. And that's with scheme and Romo's injuries holding him back.

It's Jason Garrett who we're better without, in the short and long term.

 

[Stash]

gee I dunno, the first three games of the season? the Cinci game? SF and Seattle? 2nd NYG game?

all last yr?

Yeah, he rolled against those defensive juggernauts didn't he?

Funny that injuries weren't an excuse then either...