Burger King- Thinks Cowboys will cut TO

[theogt]

if Sherman had the 2007 Garrett had and then the 1st part of this season doing great.....then had a slump...there would be all kinds of ignorant lets get rid of him talk....probably from the same guys that want to get rid of Garrett now who has showed us more good then bad .....his bad wasnt that bad.....but his good was Great.......I bet you same guys would have fired Belichick after his first 5-11 season huh?

If Sherman had Sparano crafting half the playbook and overseeing him calling the plays, he wouldn't get credit for 2007.

 

[Ren]

Is TO to blame for the complete lack of discipline on both sides of the ball for the past 2 years?

Just because we're stuck with these clowns doesn't mean they have been doing a good job if cutting TO gives people at least some optimism for next season with this coaching staff then more power to you,.. until the season starts and reality sets in and once again this team keeps making the same stupid mistakes TO apparently made them make this year

 

[dbair1967]

If Sherman had Sparano crafting half the playbook and overseeing him calling the plays, he wouldn't get credit for 2007.

of course the 1/2 that Garrett ran was the passing half, and thats where the QB set records and the offense had most of its success...but go ahead and leave that part off

and Sparano had nothing to do with the playcalling last yr...you know that Theo

 

[theebs]

Or just get a competent OC.

TO had 8 games with 76 or fewer yards in 2006 (5 of those he had 56 or fewer yards). Did you ever hear him complain about Sparano during any of those games?

he whined all year in 06. He didnt complain about sporano because he had to deal with haley day in and day out. Haley didnt tolerate his nonsense and that is why owens was a space cadet for most of the year.

He knew he couldnt speak out against the coaches that year like he did this year because parcells was in charge and owens was out of the league for most of 05 and was trying to behave because he was attempting to knock that image off of him that everyone had.

as soon as head coach trust, loyalty and common purpose showed up the atmosphere changed. he never complained last year because he had a great season and everyone was stroking his ego. Much like the head coach, when people are not stroking his ego they become basket cases.

and most importantly it would have made ZERO sense for him to attack sporano in 06 because sporano was the Assitant head coach and offensive line/running game coordinator. he would have had to have been tripping to attack the offensive line coach.

Now in 06 Todd Haley was the Passing game coordinato/wide receivers coach and owens had spats with him continually.

 

[dadymat]

If Sherman had Sparano crafting half the playbook and overseeing him calling the plays, he wouldn't get credit for 2007.

so Sparano gets all the credit for the good and Garrett gets all the bad..........ok got it...

 

[theogt]

of course the 1/2 that Garrett ran was the passing half, and thats where the QB set records and the offense had most of its success...but go ahead and leave that part off

and Sparano had nothing to do with the playcalling last yr...you know that Theo

And the biggest difference between 2007 and 2008 was the play of the offensive line. Garrett's great at drawing straight lines up the field for receivers to run.

 

[5Stars]

Not speaking for theogt, but I think Garretts history of "genius" and a former Cowboy is why folks are willing to limit their evaluation of his job last year.

Ray Sherman has no such history here. If he'd sucked it up as bad as Garrett, he'd probably take as much heat as Zimmer did.
Eh, I think it's about the same, personally. More coverage of the same yahoos.

True...but I think people are trying to deflect the underlying point being made here. First things first...then the coaches.

T.O. is capable of causing lots of coaches to look bad...and his history proves that. Get rid of him, and then lets address the other problems.

One at a time...do one thing right, then move on to the other problems.

 

[theogt]

he whined all year in 06. He didnt complain about sporano because he had to deal with haley day in and day out. Haley didnt tolerate his nonsense and that is why owens was a space cadet for most of the year.

He knew he couldnt speak out against the coaches that year like he did this year because parcells was in charge and owens was out of the league for most of 05 and was trying to behave because he was attempting to knock that image off of him that everyone had.

So he spoke out all year in '06 or he didn't? Which is it?

 

[newlander]

I agree dbair; buh-bye Me-O.

 

[theogt]

so Sparano gets all the credit for the good and Garrett gets all the bad..........ok got it...

Sparano called a top 5 offense in 2006, helped shape a top 5 offense in 2007, and when he's gone the bottom falls out. Well, it falls out here, but in Miami he gets a 1-15 team to the playoffs.

If Sparano is here in 2008 and Garrett isn't, we're in the playoffs and TO isn't complaining about the OC.

 

[Ren]

so Sparano gets all the credit for the good and Garrett gets all the bad..........ok got it...

LOL one of them led the dolphins to the playoffs one year removed from a 1-15 season. Garrett's track record without him speaks for it self

 

[wileedog]

One at a time...do one thing right, then move on to the other problems.

I don't have a problem cleaning out the current coaching stuff completely first, and then bringing in people who can better handle TO.

I just don't think you can bring this exact cast of characters back here with the same script and expect a different ending to the movie. And that seems to be exactly what Jerry is doing.

So if we're going to keep the current group of enablers in the coaching position, then you need to cut the head ringleader out of the locker.

 

[ddh33]

I don't know if it belongs here, but I'm willing to bet that the Dolphins come back down to reality hard next year. Their schedule will be tougher, and teams will know them better. Sparano and company will have a sophomore slump too.

And it won't make Sparano any worse of a coach either. It just happens.

I thought Garrett had plenty of problems this year. Plenty. But then, there were just a lot of problems too, and Garrett wasn't the source for all of them. I tend to think that the circus and injuries just caught up to the team.

 

[5Stars]

I don't have a problem cleaning out the current coaching stuff completely first, and then bringing in people who can better handle TO.

I just don't think you can bring this exact cast of characters back here with the same script and expect a different ending to the movie. And that seems to be exactly what Jerry is doing.

So if we're going to keep the current group of enablers in the coaching position, then you need to cut the head ringleader out of the locker.

That's kind of what I'm saying. First things first. T.O. is never going to change regardless of who coaches this team. He's a great talent, but it's also in his genes to be a pain in the *** for everyone around him.

Remove that aspect of the problem, then move to the next.

 

[theebs]

So he spoke out all year in '06 or he didn't? Which is it?

he did. Continually. He showed up to camp determined to be above the highest authority figures which is something he always does.

Your comment was why didnt he attack sporano, and umm that is pretty easy, that would have made no sense and been completely misguided.

Parcells was indifferent to the guy and that is why owens never said anything publically about him.

Todd Haley was in charge of keeping the space cadet in the shuttle and not out on the moon for a walk by himself that year.

That is why owens had continual problems in 06, because the guy he was directly responsible to and had direct control over his output, Todd Haley, didnt give an inch. He even let everyone know that owens slept in meetings all the time and was constantly late to practice.

Remember jerry's rant in the parking lot to the media about how he would fire the guy who told the media about owens shortcomings!!!! Remember what jerry called him....A RAT? Sound familiar? Only difference was in 06 everyone knew who told the media, jerry was putting on a show to keep his prized possesion happy. the other players all liked haley so there was no way owens was going to turn the locker room on haley even though he tried.


So yes he did complain all the time in 06. And yes your question of why didnt he challenge sporano is completely clueless.

 

[theogt]

he did. Continually. He showed up to camp determined to be above the highest authority figures which is something he always does.

Your comment was why didnt he attack sporano, and umm that is pretty easy, that would have made no sense and been completely misguided.

Parcells was indifferent to the guy and that is why owens never said anything publically about him.

Todd Haley was in charge of keeping the space cadet in the shuttle and not out on the moon for a walk by himself that year.

That is why owens had continual problems in 06, because the guy he was directly responsible to and had direct control over his output, Todd Haley, didnt give an inch. He even let everyone know that owens slept in meetings all the time and was constantly late to practice.

Remember jerry's rant in the parking lot to the media about how he would fire the guy who told the media about owens shortcomings!!!! Remember what jerry called him....A RAT? Sound familiar? Only difference was in 06 everyone knew who told the media, jerry was putting on a show to keep his prized possesion happy. the other players all liked haley so there was no way owens was going to turn the locker room on haley even though he tried.


So yes he did complain all the time in 06. And yes your question of why didnt he challenge sporano is completely clueless.

I agree with you and that was my point. He did complain in 2006, but he didn't complain about the coordinator. Yes, as you point out, that would have been misguided. But complaining about the coordinator in 2008 wasn't misguided.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I don't know if it belongs here, but I'm willing to bet that the Dolphins come back down to reality hard next year. Their schedule will be tougher, and teams will know them better. Sparano and company will have a sophomore slump too.

And it won't make Sparano any worse of a coach either. It just happens.

That is a big time understatement IMO.

 

[theebs]

Sparano called a top 5 offense in 2006, helped shape a top 5 offense in 2007, and when he's gone the bottom falls out. Well, it falls out here, but in Miami he gets a 1-15 team to the playoffs.

If Sparano is here in 2008 and Garrett isn't, we're in the playoffs and TO isn't complaining about the OC.

lol

Whose to fault for sporano leaving?

Your favorite GM.

Pretty much all of us would take Tony Sporano over Jason Garret. Even the few of us who like garret. Not under any circumstance would I do that.

Most of us would have taken sporano over phillips.

So its odd that your blaming garret for being as you say a putz because sporano left, when in fact sporano left because Jerry didnt recognize his talent as a coach.

So in one breath jerry is a great gm and garret needs to go. And in another garret sucks and shouldnt have been hired and sporano should be the guy, but Jerry wasnt smart enough to see this.

Confusing.

 

[5Stars]

I agree with you and that was my point. He did complain in 2006, but he didn't complain about the coordinator. Yes, as you point out, that would have been misguided. But complaining about the coordinator in 2008 wasn't misguided.

And by the way, his problem with Haley was that he was leaking things to the press.

See, theogt?

What is the commone demoninator in all this? T.O. or the coaches? To solve a problem you must eliminate the one dominating problem first then address the others, if others exist.

 

[DallasEast]

We're not going to be a better football team without Owens. Period. He's not nearly the headache everyone makes him out to be. When he complains about not getting the ball, often it's a valid complaint and every WR does it. If anything it was bad playcalling and poor o-line play was our downfall. We can be a good offense with out T.O., but the only way we'll be the best is with him.

:bang3:

There is only one (1) position which is irreplaceable on an NFL offense and that is the quarterback.

The offense could be bad without Terrell Owens.
The offense could be average without Terrell Owens.
The offense could be great without Terrell Owens.

Being the very good wide receiver that he is, Terrell Owens is an asset to the offense. He would be an asset to any offense. However, he is not a necessity. He is not a crutch. The offense could walk, run and/or pass without him.

The following offsets the necessity of having one (1) great wide receiver:

• Competitive, efficient & flexible gameplans
• Solid offensive line play
• A strong rushing attack
• An effective receiving corps
• A consistent quarterback
• A competent offensive coaching staff

If the Dallas Cowboys have all six components for '09 AND Terrell Owens, it's automatically Super Bowl caliber. If the team has all six WITHOUT Terrell Owens, it's automatically competitive enough to reach the Super Bowl.

We do not have a bad or average team with or without Terrell Owens. We have very good talent. The only missing element is meshing everything which can make the team successful together.

Q: Does this team need Terrell Owens?

A: :madden: