Byron Jones vs. Texans

[perrykemp]

Correct, my bad. Jenkins was actually pretty good pick in late 20s - not great but not a total bust.

Yeah I scratched my head at all the pundits claims on draft night. He was slow and no where near as fluid. 2 picks for him was never worth it

I'd disagree.

Jenkins wasn't a starter in 2008, had a decent year in 2009 when he made the pro-bowl as the 2nd injury alternate, and he totally blew in 2010 and he was effectively done by then.

1 decent year.

Could have been worse I guess, however, overall I'd rank him as a disappointment (not bust).

 

[KJJ]

You are stating historical facts. I'm stating that none of that is predictive.

The facts I've pointed out show the Cowboys odds on hitting on a corner are very slim when you look at the list of corners they've missed on since Jerry has been in charge. Before Jones took the field I heard many experts say he would struggle at corner but make a better safety the problem is the Cowboys have a need at corner with Scandrick out. Continuing to move a young player around is going to affect their play. They need to settle on a damn position for him and allow him to learn it to give him a chance to succeed. They kept moving Barbi Carpenter around not settling on a position and that likely contributed to him failing.

 

[KJJ]

Incorrect, Jenkins was a solid corner for Dallas and his departure was due primarily to the fact that he burned bridges with the front office, his last season in Dallas he played well even through injury.

Mike is still starting in the NFL, trying to use Jenkins to underwrite a stupid argument against Jones in preseason play is absolute poppycock.

Just move on, you are wasting your time and effort on an absurd proposition.

He looked pretty good his first 2 seasons but if you think he had a solid career with the Cowboys you're incorrect. He burned bridges by making business decisions on the field and not being consistent in coverage. He's still starting in the NFL because he's playing for the Bucs. lol You need to move on you're the one wasting time talking up a player who everyone had seen enough of.

 

[Rogerthat12]

He looked pretty good his first 2 seasons but if you think he had a solid career with the Cowboys you're kidding yourself. He burned bridges by making business decisions on the field and not being consistent in coverage. He's still starting in the NFL because he's playing for the Bucs. lol You need to move on you're the one wasting time talking up a player who everyone had seen enough of.

He burned bridges with the front office due to his attitude, I am not talking Mike up, you are just trying to talk him down to support a moronic argument and foolish proposition on Jones.

Though Mike is no Revis, I guess when Revis started for the Bucs he was in the toilet as well, such poor logic yet again.

You are literally wasting your effort to attempt to prove a point that you can not at this point with reference to Jones.

 

[KJJ]

1 decent year.

Could have been worse I guess, however, overall I'd rank him as a disappointment (not bust).

One decent year for a corner drafted in the first round equals a bust.

 

[KJJ]

He burned bridges with the front office due to his attitude, I am not talking Mike up, you are just trying to talk him down to support a moronic argument and foolish proposition on Jones.

The best way to burn bridges with the front office is to make a business decision during a blowout on National TV that helped get your head coach fired and get caught sitting on the sidelines smiling after words. What foolish proposition have I made on Jones? You have no idea what I'm talking about you're just reading what you want into my comments.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

You are literally wasting your effort to attempt to prove a point that you can not at this point with reference to Jones.

As it was and always shall be.

 

[Zekeats]

The guy who missed most of TC and ran for 50 yards against scrubs? Sign me up!

This board is ridiculous at times.

Yeah, your right. I'd rather have the guy who's getting beaten by the 12th WR on the other team. Sign yourself up!

 

[KJJ]

You are literally wasting your effort to attempt to prove a point that you can not at this point with reference to Jones.

Exactly what point do you think I'm trying to make in reference to Jones?

 

[Rogerthat12]

The best way to burn bridges with the front office is to make a business decision during a blowout on National TV that helped get your head coach fired and get caught sitting on the sidelines smiling after words. What foolish proposition have I made on Jones?

That was Deon personified, I guess he was bad as well. Mike rebounded from earlier mistakes and played through injury and demonstrated toughness, it is well documented that Mike had personal issues and bad blood with the front office.

Yawn, we are not going to agree on Jones or your revisionist history, feel free to waste your time but no more of mine.

 

[Zekeats]

You mean the guy that has been hurt all preseason? That didn't win the starting job over the stud incumbent 2nd year man that averaged under 4 yds a carry a year ago?

Oh, maybe you mean the guy that finally did something last night....against 2nd, 3rd and 4th string.

Like I said before; at least he is doing something against the 3rd and 4th stringers rather than them doing something against him like Byron.

 

[KJJ]

That was Deon personified, I guess he was bad as well. Mike rebounded from earlier mistakes and played through injury and demonstrated toughness, it is well documented that Mike had personal issues and bad blood with the front office.

Yawn, we are not going to agree on Jones or your revisionist history, feel free to waste your time but no more of mine.

Never remember Deion pulling the ole' move Jenkins did vs the Packers. The facts are Jenkins never panned out. I'll ask again what foolish proposition have I made on Jones?

 

[Floatyworm]

Where do you think Malcom Brown would be on the depth chart? Not picking a fight, I sincerely want your opinion. I'm not sure he'd be making much of an impact. We look pretty stacked along the DL right now.

Bye Bye Hayden......

 

[Rogerthat12]

Never remember Deion pulling the ole' move Jenkins did vs the Packers. I'll ask again what foolish proposition have I made on Jones?

Deon coined the phrase "business decision" and always avoided major contact.

The proposition that Jones will somehow be a bust due to the fact the Cowboys have not drafted corners well in the past and by having him play hybrid early on in his career, it is simply dumb.

Two logical fallacies in your proposition.

1) Argumentum ad antiquitatem Appeal to history, drafting corners.

2)Argumentum ad Ignorantiam: Appeal From Ignorance: know way to know at this point.

I mentioned on draft day that the Cowboys haven't had much luck drafting CB's in the first round the past several years. The best corner they've come up with since Newman has been Scandrick who was taken in the 5th round.

Moving him around isn't going to help him he needs to learn one position before he loses his confidence and the Cowboys end up with another bust on their hands.

Drops the Mic...lol!

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The facts I've pointed out show the Cowboys odds on hitting on a corner are very slim when you look at the list of corners they've missed on since Jerry has been in charge. Before Jones took the field I heard many experts say he would struggle at corner but make a better safety the problem is the Cowboys have a need at corner with Scandrick out. Continuing to move a young player around is going to affect their play. They need to settle on a damn position for him and allow him to learn it to give him a chance to succeed. They kept moving Barbi Carpenter around not settling on a position and that likely contributed to him failing.

What part of none of that is predictive don't you understand?

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Yeah, your right. I'd rather have the guy who's getting beaten by the 12th WR on the other team. Sign yourself up!

"You're." And I'm sorry you don't understand how to evaluate a rookie CB's play.

 

[KJJ]

Deon coined the phrase "business decision" and always avoided major contact.

The proposition that Jones will somehow be a bust due to the fact the Cowboys have not drafted corners well in the past and by having him play hybrid early on in his career, it is simply dumb.

Two logical fallacies in your proposition.

1) Argumentum ad antiquitatem Appeal to history, drafting corners.

2)Argumentum ad Ignorantiam: Appeal From Ignorance: know way to know at this point.





Drops the Mic...lol!

Deion may have coined the phrase "business decision" and avoided major contact but I can't remember him ever pulling an oley' move like Jenkins did vs the Giants and Packers. I've made no proposition that Jones will be a bust based off the Cowboys history under Jerry drafting corners. Just because they haven't drafted well at corner doesn't mean Jones will go bust. I've already said there's no way to know at this point how he will turn out it's way too early. Do some reading! It's a big mistake having him go from corner one minute to safety the next. The Cowboys have to settle on a position for him so he can react rather than having to think. Moving him around is going to lead to confusion and the loss of his confidence if he struggles in games trying to transition from one position to the other.

 

[sureletsrace]

Bye Bye Hayden......

I don't think he would supplant Hayden. The coaches love Hayden and from what I hear, Malcom Brown has looked bad in NE.

I was a fan of getting him during the draft, but it just doesn't seem at this point he'd be making much noise.

 

[KJJ]

What part of none of that is predictive don't you understand?

Where am I saying it is? You're just one of those who look to argue for the sake of arguing.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Deion may have coined the phrase "business decision" and avoided major contact but I can't remember him ever pulling an oley' move like Jenkins did vs the Giants and Packers. I've made no proposition that Jones will be a bust based off the Cowboys history under Jerry drafting corners. Just because they haven't drafted well at corner doesn't mean Jones will go bust. I've already said there's no way to know at this point how he will turn out it's way too early. Do some reading! It's a big mistake having him go from corner one minute to safety the next. The Cowboys have to settle on a position for him so he can react rather than having to think. Moving him around is going to lead to confusion and the loss of his confidence if he struggles in games trying to transition from one position to the other.

Again, Deon would not even sort of try.

Sorry but you committed the two said fallacies and carried the weight of their implications throughout your exchanges, read your own poor material.