Calling all Olgetree fans

[superonyx]

So you ask for reasons why people are hyped about him and then piss all over the reasons?

Nice tactic. Maybe next time you should just preface you first post with:

"I'm only asking so I can call you an idiot".

Haha. I can see how it came across like that. What i was trying to do is see if people had some solid real reasons to call for him to leapfrog the other receivers. Obviously every time i read someone calling for him to start in a thread i would chuckle. But it has become way to common to read.

I know Jerry Jones loves him and wants him to get playing time. But i thought everyone thought Jerry was an idiot who should fire himself as a GM.

 

[Hostile]

I don't like this let him development idea. Throw him into the fire see how he comes out. No point in babying our players.

I wish you would either learn the game or fall silent. It is worthless to read almost every single opinion you have.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I don't like this let him development idea. Throw him into the fire see how he comes out. No point in babying our players.

How long did it take Romo to develop into the player he is today?

Ditto for Miles Austin.

Throwing the players in the fire often times, destroys their confidence - thus killing their confidence.

Yet another gem from DaBoys4Life.

 

[Hoofbite]

Haha. I can see how it came across like that. What i was trying to do is see if people had some solid real reasons to call for him to leapfrog the other receivers. Obviously every time i read someone calling for him to start in a thread i would chuckle. But it has become way to common to read.

I know Jerry Jones loves him and wants him to get playing time. But i thought everyone thought Jerry was an idiot who should fire himself as a GM.

We've only got what we have seen before.

With that said, if you put on a guy on the field and he makes plays, you should probably get him on the field a little more often.

His screen plays and that tip-toe catch gives you a glimpse of what he can do.

Might sound dumb but you don't know what you have until you know what you have. Only way to figure that out is get him out there.

There's only 1 guy ahead of him who you can say shouldn't come off the field at all and that's Austin. Roy and Crayton could easily give a couple of snaps to the guy. Roy especially. I guess Hurd is technically in front of O-tree depending on how you look at it.

In any event, the team needs to get O-tree a handful of plays. Even if a guy is a practice monster, there is no guarantee he will be that in the games so you have to get a guy some game time in order to evaluate him. O-tree has received some game time and made the most of it. I say keep on giving him a shot.

 

[theogt]

Haha. I can see how it came across like that. What i was trying to do is see if people had some solid real reasons to call for him to leapfrog the other receivers. Obviously every time i read someone calling for him to start in a thread i would chuckle. But it has become way to common to read.

I know Jerry Jones loves him and wants him to get playing time. But i thought everyone thought Jerry was an idiot who should fire himself as a GM.

Seems like you've been given enough reasons in this thread to keep you from "chuckling" in the future.

 

[Hoofbite]

How long did it take Romo to develop into the player he is today?

Ditto for Miles Austin.

Throwing the players in the fire often times, destroys their confidence - thus killing their confidence.

Yet another gem from DaBoys4Life.

QB is a whole different monster in letting a player develop.

As far as Austin goes, who knows how he would have done if he were given time last year and the year before.

The difference between Austin and O-tree is that O-tree looks ahead of the curve in development. Austin was clearly a developmental guy because he didn't look like he could play. O-tree looks like he can play.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Three words: potential, development & routes.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Good list.

And perhaps most importantly, Romo likes throwing to him.

Is that right?

Okay, review the NO game. Romo is in a scrum and wiggles out and throws across his body to Miles Austin who makes a move and then is tackled.

If you watch the replay from the endzone Ogletree is not only standing all alone ten yards deeper, but moving away from any saint toward Romo's left. Both Ogletree and Austin were close enough together for Romo to see Ogletree.

When Romo looked up the safety suddenly realized Ogletree was so open if he got the ball he might score.

I am not knocking Romo. He has played brilliantly.

I am challenging a comment that is based on opinion without fact.

13:58 of the third quarter.

Malcolm Jenkins was covering Ogletree. Darren Sharper was ten yards behind Ogletree.

We ultimately scored on that possession. But I would like to have seen Sharper try to close the gap between that kid with speed and half the field and no help.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Three words: potential, development & routes.

Love your sig man.

Woody is one of the most underrated Cowboys and football players in NFL history.

And that was a clean hit.

 

[superonyx]

Seems like you've been given enough reasons in this thread to keep you from "chuckling" in the future.

I have reason for optimism of Ogletree. But i already had that. But i dont see reasons for him starting over Roy, Hurd or Crayton. Getting more playing time is great. Seeing what he can do is great. But i cant get too excited based on watching him catch 6 passes.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I wish you would either learn the game or fall silent. It is worthless to read almost every single opinion you have.

I know the game of football quite well.

How long did it take Romo to develop into the player he is today?

Ditto for Miles Austin.

Throwing the players in the fire often times, destroys their confidence - thus killing their confidence.

Yet another gem from DaBoys4Life.

It don't really care how long it took them to develop. That doesn't mean we have the luxury of waiting 3-4 years for every prospect to develop and be rip and ready to see their full potential. Eventually someone has to be able to play whether their old young drafted or undrafted. Step up or step off.

 

[theogt]

Is that right?

Okay, review the NO game. Romo is in a scrum and wiggles out and throws across his body to Miles Austin who makes a move and then is tackled.

If you watch the replay from the endzone Ogletree is not only standing all alone ten yards deeper, but moving away from any saint toward Romo's left. Both Ogletree and Austin were close enough together for Romo to see Ogletree.

When Romo looked up the safety suddenly realized Ogletree was so open if he got the ball he might score.

I am not knocking Romo. He has played brilliantly.

I am challenging a comment that is based on opinion without fact.

13:58 of the third quarter.

Malcolm Jenkins was covering Ogletree. Darren Sharper was ten yards behind Ogletree.

We ultimately scored on that possession. But I would like to have seen Sharper try to close the gap between that kid with speed and half the field and no help.

I actually noticed the play during the game as well and commented on it in the chatroom. I too thought Romo missed a great opportunity and wondered why he didn't go to Ogletree. But if you go back and look at it, Romo makes the correct read (at least at the time he is able to make is read).

When Romo initially drops back, he actually first looks to throw the ball to Ogletree, as you can see in this first picture. But as Romo correctly reads, Ogletree is in double coverage, whereas Austin is in single coverage.

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Unfortunately, Romo doesn't have the time in the pocket to go to his second read (Austin) and get rid of the ball at that point. So he scrambles around. And at the exact point that he pulls his head back up, he notices that Ogletree is still double covered. He should realize at this point that the safety over the top isn't in a position to get to Austin and that the corner covering Austin has the outside position. With Ogletree at least initially double covered (Romo likely couldn't immediately recognize that the cornerback covering Ogletree got turned around in time to make the decision to let go of the ball), Romo thus throws to the wide open Austin.

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Additionally, Romo has said several times that he likes the kid. He even actually explicitly stated once that he "likes throwing to him." If that's not "fact" then I don't know what is.

 

[JBond]

He catches the ball cleanly with his hands.

His routes are precise.

He is explosive and quick out of his cuts.

He can run after the catch with wiggle, power and desire.

He understands how to set-up CBs so that he is open when and where he wants to be open.

He seems to have excellent body control.

He shows tremendous focus when he is out there.

He makes plays, not excuses in press conferences.

He doesn't make a stupid gesture after every first down.

He hasn't created a fuss when inferior receivers in front of him steal his snaps.

You get all of this from 6 catches. Wow! Jerry, sign this kid to the scouting department. I hope he is in charge of our draft.

 

[juck]

He catches the ball cleanly with his hands.

His routes are precise.

He is explosive and quick out of his cuts.

He can run after the catch with wiggle, power and desire.

He understands how to set-up CBs so that he is open when and where he wants to be open.

He seems to have excellent body control.

He shows tremendous focus when he is out there.

He makes plays, not excuses in press conferences.

He doesn't make a stupid gesture after every first down.

He hasn't created a fuss when inferior receivers in front of him steal his snaps.

Well thats the best summary Ive seen in ages.All true.

 

[jchocolate82]

Is that right?

Okay, review the NO game. Romo is in a scrum and wiggles out and throws across his body to Miles Austin who makes a move and then is tackled.

If you watch the replay from the endzone Ogletree is not only standing all alone ten yards deeper, but moving away from any saint toward Romo's left. Both Ogletree and Austin were close enough together for Romo to see Ogletree.

When Romo looked up the safety suddenly realized Ogletree was so open if he got the ball he might score.

I am not knocking Romo. He has played brilliantly.

I am challenging a comment that is based on opinion without fact.

13:58 of the third quarter.

Malcolm Jenkins was covering Ogletree. Darren Sharper was ten yards behind Ogletree.

We ultimately scored on that possession. But I would like to have seen Sharper try to close the gap between that kid with speed and half the field and no help.

Theogt already gave a response that showed picture proof that knocked it out the park but how can you use that example to say that it isnt fact when indeed Romo has said that he really likes throwing to Otree because of how he's where he's suppose to be because of how well he runs his routes. You used that NO example but how could you really use that when Romo was being pressured and in the heat of the moment went to the WR he's comfortable with that has been performing at a pro bowl level this season

 

[JBond]

Well thats the best summary Ive seen in ages.All true.

Again, prove it. What have you seen that the rest of the world missed. Not saying the guy will not be a very good WR, but where is the love fest and crazy attributes coming from? That list of attributes you subscribed to is very long and deep. Are you sure he is the man?

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Again, prove it. What have you seen that the rest of the world missed. Not saying the guy will not be a very good WR, but where is the love fest and crazy attributes coming from? That list of attributes you subscribed to is very long and deep. Are you sure he is the man?

It's like other people has stated. Training camp preseason and during the season. The kid works hard has a lot of speed and makes plays. Why you dislike him so much?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hes been better than Amendola.

Actually I like the guy. He runs good routes, has good speed and wiggle etc.

OTOH, his focus is obviously a problem. Him getting complacent when placed on the scout team has to make one wonder about his mental fortitude.

Weak minded players have been holding us back for years now. We don't need any more.

 

[Crad|e]

Ogletree will crack the starting lineup next year or be our #3 at worst. Here's why...

First off, Crayton will never be a #2 wr for us again unless injury we've seen him in that role.. we know his limit. Hes strictly a slot wr and a good one. But the upside on him is known.

Secondly, RW is not a legit #1 wr. The guy drops balls, runs sloppy routes, and his speed is horrible. The ONLY reason hes starting is because we can't bench a guy whom we've gave up 45 million and 3 picks for.. sorry but true.

Lastly, from the little we've seen of Ogletree its been impressive especially for a rookie. Watch his route running, his speed, and most important his hands. And like another poster said Romo trusts him has way more chemistry with him than he does with RW.

 

[wxcpo]

I'll tell you why I'm a fan and believe the kid has potential. Did you actually see that catch he made on the sideline? The kid's footwork and making sure he got both feet down before falling out of bounds was a very veteran like move. Remember in college they only have to get one foot down, but even in his limited playing time he knew he had to get'em both down inbounds. That catch was a highlight catch IMO.