Can Cowboys build a championship caliber team without a HOF caliber QB?

[plasticman]

No, not really. The first inductions into the HOF, none played in a SB. Winning championships helps but it’s not a qualifier.

And it’s doubtful Romo’s shortened career and total NFL stats would be enough with only 1 SB win.

Shortened career?

He is the leading passer in a Cowboys history that includes two HOF quarterbacks.

Only 38 other quarterbacks in NFL history has thrown for more yards.

Only 13 other QB's in NFL history have a higher completion percentage, 16 have as higher TD percentage, he is in a 5th place tie for yards/attempt with Patrick Mahomes and Kurt Warner.

If there were SB's in the days of the first inductees then the majority of them would have played in those games. Perennial losers typically don't get inducted.

The only way that that SB championships aren't a qualifier is if that player set some generational records.

 

[Diehardblues]

Shortened career?

He is the leading passer in a Cowboys history that includes two HOF quarterbacks.

Only 38 other quarterbacks in NFL history has thrown for more yards.

Only 13 other QB's in NFL history have a higher completion percentage, 16 have as higher TD percentage, he is in a 5th place tie for yards/attempt with Patrick Mahomes and Kurt Warner.

If there were SB's in the days of the first inductees then the majority of them would have played in those games. Perennial losers typically don't get inducted.

The only way that that SB championships aren't a qualifier is if that player set some generational records.

Yes, only playing 7 full seasons in an injury filled career is what I’d define as shortened.

If Romo had been able to lay a full 13 seasons he could have probably put up Top 10 numbers passing in NFL history. Breaking franchise records hardly qualifies.

 

[Diehardblues]

Maybe a better question would be can a HOF owner be removed from the HOF because of the past 7 years performance.

Considering our owners induction isn’t football related, I’d say no.

 

[Setackin]

When we look back in history the teams which have success without a HOF caliber QB most have done so with Elite defenses . Some needed a generational type #1 defense .

And some still had a QB who was average to above average talent which they didn’t need to carry them . He was enough to move the offense, make big plays when needed and most importantly not give up the ball costing them better opportunities to win.

There’s been several throughout history. Do we think we can build that type of team ? If not then we must find a QB who can carry a less than great team. Unfortunately there’s only maybe a handful or less at anytime.

Which scenario better suits our organization?

No, The Cowboys FO isn’t good enough to do it without HoF caliber QB. So, why are we wasting time with Dak? Because the FO isn’t good enough

 

[Diehardblues]

Yes, Jerry's been a problem. But those men on the field have the choice as to who they want to be. They have been given the best two jobs in sports; what they did with that is on them. Romo was to blame, as well.
Two years ago the Cowboys were the best team in the NFC at the end of the season. The Eagles were already collapsing. If the Cowboys had a quarterback who could simply have done his job, they would have been in the Super Bowl. If Cooper Rush was the starter in the playoffs, Dallas would have been in the NFC Championship, at least.

There are statements which not only are factually incorrect and if opinions are based on them then well, that speaks volumes .

Fact checks :
Two years ago (2022) the Cowboys weren’t the best team in the NFL. They were the 5th seed.

Making references they were best team towards end of season is just another slanted opinion which has no merit with intent to exploit your narrative .

 

[Diehardblues]

No, The Cowboys FO isn’t good enough to do it without HoF caliber QB. So, why are we wasting time with Dak? Because the FO isn’t good enough

That’s obviously a big part of the problem. Our FO has believed in Dak. And are comfortable with a QB and team with this level of success for various reasons which include maintaining relativity and interest which is enough for them to hype and promote their iconic label.

I’ve always tried to present my take on this ownership actions and decisions not necessarily what mine are. Following this ownership since its inception and even being closer than most fans had access to in those early years Id argue provides me a greater insight and instincts than most fans.

 

[McKDaddy]

Stafford made plays when it mattered in that SB despite not having all that good a game overall. The D was good enough to put him in the position to win it; and he did it

And in the playoffs to get them there. It's too simple to just paint everything as being dependent on their D. Their D was awesome .... but he also found ways to get things done.

 

[zrinkill]

Jerry cannot

 

[kskboys]

Shortened career?

He is the leading passer in a Cowboys history that includes two HOF quarterbacks.

Only 38 other quarterbacks in NFL history has thrown for more yards.

Only 13 other QB's in NFL history have a higher completion percentage, 16 have as higher TD percentage, he is in a 5th place tie for yards/attempt with Patrick Mahomes and Kurt Warner.

If there were SB's in the days of the first inductees then the majority of them would have played in those games. Perennial losers typically don't get inducted.

The only way that that SB championships aren't a qualifier is if that player set some generational records.

You put way too much emphasis on volume stats, and have failed to take into consideration the changes in the game, specifically the passing game.

 

[kskboys]

Seems a little circular.

In many cases, SB wins were deciding factor into whether a player belonged in the Hall of Fame.

If the Cowboys had won a Super Bowl during Romo's starting career then I believe he would be in the HOF today.

They are important, prolly moreso than they should be.

 

[kskboys]

It is a dumb question. If Romo or Dak have SB ring, they are in the HOF.

No, not true. Not all super bowl winners get in. Plunkett is the glaring example w/ 2 super bowl wins. Flacco won't get in, Stafford is highly questionable as to getting in. There are several cases where mediocre or worse QBs won a super bowl because they ran into a great team. Hades, Mark Sanchez almost made one!!!!!

 

[kskboys]

No, not really. The first inductions into the HOF, none played in a SB. Winning championships helps but it’s not a qualifier.

And it’s doubtful Romo’s shortened career and total NFL stats would be enough with only 1 SB win.

Romo isn't close to HOF. Eli shouldn't be either, but he ran into Justin Tuck.

 

[Loso86]

When we look back in history the teams which have success without a HOF caliber QB most have done so with Elite defenses . Some needed a generational type #1 defense .

And some still had a QB who was average to above average talent which they didn’t need to carry them . He was enough to move the offense, make big plays when needed and most importantly not give up the ball costing them better opportunities to win.

There’s been several throughout history. Do we think we can build that type of team ? If not then we must find a QB who can carry a less than great team. Unfortunately there’s only maybe a handful or less at anytime.

Which scenario better suits our organization?

No. If they don't resign Dak. Half of these fans will complain about not having a QB for years and hate the front office for it.....much like it was between the Aikman and Romo years. Lol

 

[plasticman]

You put way too much emphasis on volume stats, and have failed to take into consideration the changes in the game, specifically the passing game.

Changes in the game for QB's began around 1979. At any point in time, there have been scores of QB's entering this league and Romo's performance have been superior to almost all of them.

Even if you want to compare Romo to his contemporaries, he is at the top.

Tony Romo entered the league in 2003 and left in 2016. During that period, 240 QB's threw at least one pass. Of the 70 different QB's that threw at least 1000 passes, Romo has the 6th best passer rating. Of the five in front of him, one is in the HOF already, the other four will probably end up in the HOF.

Of these 70 QB's, Romo is ranked 5th in completion percentage, 3rd in TD percentage and 4th in yards/attempt.

The only difference between the players in front of him is they all won at least one Super Bowl and are considered strong candidates for the HOF if they aren't already in.

 

[conner01]

This is a great question

Can it be done? Yes.
Can the Cowboys do it? No.

Front office isn’t good enough. Doesn’t utilize all resources to build the team to have a strong enough team to do it. They also do not invest enough into elite caliber coaching. Take alll of this into the equation and a HOF caliber qb is the only way this team will win. It’s the same reason why Romo never got it done and it’s the same reason why Dak isn’t getting it done now.

I don’t know about HOF caliber but I think you need a legit top 5 QB in today’s game to win a SB. Look at 49ers. Elite defense, elite running game yet no ring. Winning a SB is very hard even with a great roster. But the days of a middle of the pack QB winning I think are gone

 

[conner01]

No. If they don't resign Dak. Half of these fans will complain about not having a QB for years and hate the front office for it.....much like it was between the Aikman and Romo years. Lol

And it could be years. In 3 years we are look back at this past draft and most of the QB’s will be busts based on where they were picked. They may be a top 15 but a top 10 pick is a bust if he’s just avg

 

[Chasing6]

No, not true. Not all super bowl winners get in. Plunkett is the glaring example w/ 2 super bowl wins. Flacco won't get in, Stafford is highly questionable as to getting in. There are several cases where mediocre or worse QBs won a super bowl because they ran into a great team. Hades, Mark Sanchez almost made one!!!!!

Dak and Tony have great stats, just minus the SB. Just wait and see how justify Eli getting in.

 

[Chasing6]

You put way too much emphasis on volume stats, and have failed to take into consideration the changes in the game, specifically the passing game.

Shortened career and volume stats don't typically go together.

 

[Diehardblues]

Changes in the game for QB's began around 1979. At any point in time, there have been scores of QB's entering this league and Romo's performance have been superior to almost all of them.

Even if you want to compare Romo to his contemporaries, he is at the top.

Tony Romo entered the league in 2003 and left in 2016. During that period, 240 QB's threw at least one pass. Of the 70 different QB's that threw at least 1000 passes, Romo has the 6th best passer rating. Of the five in front of him, one is in the HOF already, the other four will probably end up in the HOF.

Of these 70 QB's, Romo is ranked 5th in completion percentage, 3rd in TD percentage and 4th in yards/attempt.

The only difference between the players in front of him is they all won at least one Super Bowl and are considered strong candidates for the HOF if they aren't already in.

Yea but did Romo’s career or accumulated statistics like in yards and TD’s rank in top 10 in NFL history.

A long career with these type of stats is only way to qualify without winning championships. Maybe a MVP or 2 would help. Romo didn’t even ever lead the league in passing.

 

[Bullflop]

Sorry, but I think there are far too many outside influences involved to accurately determine if any QB is truly a "HOF caliber QB" or not.