Can we discuss DeMarco

[LatinMind]

Nope Charles has never started 16 games in a season.

Okay, you don't want Randle to carry the ball over 300 times in a season. Then why did you respond with the Charles size comparison when I brought up that Randle is not built to carry it 20 times a game? Seems like a pointless comparison to me.

Because ur saying he cant because of his size. And Charles touches the ball so much on running and passing downs. Which im sure Dallas would use Randle the same way. While using another back to keep the run game going.

 

[joseephuss]

Because ur saying he cant because of his size. And Charles touches the ball so much on running and passing downs. Which im sure Dallas would use Randle the same way. While using another back to keep the run game going.

Charles really doesn't touch the ball that much.

2008
5.88 touches per game

2009
15.33 touches per game

2010
17.19 touches per game

2011
8.50 touches per game

2012
20.00 touches per game

2013
21.93 touches per game

2014
16.40 touches per game

Those are combined rushing and receiving touches per season. Like you said Charles is a top 5 back in the game(except this season). Randle is no Charles.

I still don't see how bringing up Charles changes my stance on Randle. I don't think Randle is built to carry(rushing the ball only) the ball 20 times per game. Backs take more of a pounding when they run the ball than they do when they catch the ball. I assume they are also going to catch a few passes a game to up their total touches per game. Comparing Randle to a guy who has never carried the ball 20 times per game doesn't change my stance in any way.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Murray hasn't shown breakaway speed while he has been here....go back a couple years ago when he had the huge game against the Rams...he got run down then too. He gets positive yards most often , has plenty of 15-20 yd gains and is dependable. You just don't throw that away.

Randle and Dunbar likely are neither more than 15 touch a game guys.

I am not in favor of AP, I think he is going to cost more than most think, he is closer to the end than Murray and we know the end comes fast, especially for guys that are more of a speed back than all the way around. Oh yeah,he is also a confirmed child abuser and I don't want him on my team.

 

[Picksix]

My dream scenario would be to have Randle and draft gurley in round 2

Another second rounder on a guy coming off ACL? Just kidding. He might not be able to do much as a rookie, but by his second year, he should be fine. Not sure we need to take one that high, but then I don't really know what the RB strength in the draft is this year.

 

[DallasDomination]

I've been on record for saying this. Murray just doesn't impress me at all. He runs hard, yes MB3 ran hard too. But man he doesn't look like an elite rb. He's sluggish all the time and he just imo seems like more of a product of his touches. He gets a ton of carries. How does he stack ypa compared to other rbs? I would imagine middle of the pack.

I'm all for another rb next season.

 

[joseephuss]

I've been on record for saying this. Murray just doesn't impress me at all. He runs hard, yes MB3 ran hard too. But man he doesn't look like an elite rb. He's sluggish all the time and he just imo seems like more of a product of his touches. He gets a ton of carries. How does he stack ypa compared to other rbs? I would imagine middle of the pack.

I'm all for another rb next season.

These are the rushers this season that went over 1000 yards. Looks like Murray's average compares rather well to the other running backs on that list. Murray had over 1121 yards last year and a 5.17 ypc average.

Rank Player Rushes Yards AVG
1 DeMarco Murray 392 1845 4.71
2 Le'Veon Bell 290 1361 4.69
3 LeSean McCoy 312 1319 4.23
4 Marshawn Lynch 280 1306 4.66
5 Justin Forsett 235 1266 5.39
6 Arian Foster 260 1246 4.79
7 Eddie Lacy 246 1139 4.63
8 Jeremy Hill 222 1124 5.06
9 Frank Gore 255 1106 4.34
10 Lamar Miller 216 1099 5.09
11 Alfred Morris 265 1074 4.05
12 Matt Forte 266 1038 3.90
13 Jamaal Charles 206 1033 5.01

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

These are the rushers this season that went over 1000 yards. Looks like Murray's average compares rather well to the other running backs on that list. Murray had over 1121 yards last year and a 5.17 ypc average.

Rank Player Rushes Yards AVG
1 DeMarco Murray 392 1845 4.71
2 Le'Veon Bell 290 1361 4.69
3 LeSean McCoy 312 1319 4.23
4 Marshawn Lynch 280 1306 4.66
5 Justin Forsett 235 1266 5.39
6 Arian Foster 260 1246 4.79
7 Eddie Lacy 246 1139 4.63
8 Jeremy Hill 222 1124 5.06
9 Frank Gore 255 1106 4.34
10 Lamar Miller 216 1099 5.09
11 Alfred Morris 265 1074 4.05
12 Matt Forte 266 1038 3.90
13 Jamaal Charles 206 1033 5.01

Doesn't he have like the most broken tackles and tons of yards after contact too ?

He's also a great receiver and doesn't fall backwards, huge for our offensive gameplans

 

[kramskoi]

According to Murray he feels great and ready to go. 100 yards on 20 carries

I suppose if you listen to "naysayer" commentary that has no basis in fact or logic, then your opinion of Murray could slowly evolve (negatively). The man has a broken hand no-less...good grief...the silliness just continues unabated it seems. The guy has answered the bell the entire season and still the clap-trap.

 

[kramskoi]

He clearly doesn't have the same burst and pop when taking on tacklers. Even John Lynch mentioned it several times yesterday during the telecast. But it's to be expected given his high workload this season.

Hopefully he has some juice next Sunday.

I wonder how many Cowboy games John Lynch has actually watched this season. Otherwise it's just bloviating balderdash. I don't recall too many times that Emmitt did not get caught from behind. Speed was not his forte. I find it laughable after watching Emmitt over 5 championship caliber seasons, run and catch the ball without any hint of this dialogue the currently passes for insightful or enlightened commentary...and all because someone came up with the "curse of 370".

 

[BAT]

All those who wants to change what is working while we are on the verge of doing something special after almost 20 years of futility are insane. Chemistry on the field, and off, is a huge factor that many are missing.

 

[supercowboy8]

The difference in burst and yards left on the field between him and Randle is ridiculous. Murray has had a great year but I truly believe Randle or Williams could have done just as well if not better. I truly believe that Murrays ability to pick up the blitz is why he is the incumbant not his ability to hit wide open holes.

Wow I so disagree. People fall in love with the home run. Before that long run at the end of the game randle was 3 for 5 yards.
Randle is just a change if pace back. He's a home run hitter. Murray is your consistent hitter.
Randle runs hard from the hand off right to where the hole is suppose to be. Rarely does he take a cut back lane. That big run was an example. That hole was the size of a semi truck.

Murray is the true back. He's the guy that sees the cut back lanes and has the vision to read the 2nd level. Who cares if he doesn't get all 65 yards in one carry. He will get it in 5 to 8. Atleast he won't go 3 for 5 yards before he hits the 65 yard run. Murray will get you 3 to 5 yards on almost every carry. Randle can not do that.

 

[kramskoi]

Good points. And it's easy to fall in love with a back up that shows flashes. That's why I would have liked to see randle get the load yesterday and give Murray the day off.
Garrett has pushed all the right buttons so far, so he gets the benefit of the doubt from me. Be interesting to see how this plays out in the playoffs

A lot of this same thinking prevailed when some guy named Emmitt Smith was running the ball...

 

[supercowboy8]

AD at 30 >> DM at 27.

Depends on the $$$. But I wouldn't take a chance on AP at 30 and not pkaying last year. I don't like to go against history. It has a way of repeating it self. And the history of 30 pkus RB isn't good.

 

[kramskoi]

Troy Hambrick, Derrick Lassic, Lincoln Coleman...fans from the Superbowl years know where this went...

 

[ConstantReboot]

It slowed down to switch the ball around. I say he should have just taken to the house and forget about switch the ball to the other side.

 

[starfrombirth]

Neither of those scatbacks could wear down a defense. They would suffer the arm tackles as they went into the line.

Did you not see his touchdown yesterday when he used both patience and making the right move away from the defenders in traffic and scoring?

Murray moves the pile forward. Randall hit a hole where he had to beat one guy and run to the endzone because they didn't have as safety.

I sometimes wonder what some of you are seeing.

U see the one play in ten that that occurs. I'm talking about all the times he doesn't get touched until 5-10 yards past the los. I'm not gonna argue about it. Its just my opinion.

 

[starfrombirth]

Wow I so disagree. People fall in love with the home run. Before that long run at the end of the game randle was 3 for 5 yards.
Randle is just a change if pace back. He's a home run hitter. Murray is your consistent hitter.
Randle runs hard from the hand off right to where the hole is suppose to be. Rarely does he take a cut back lane. That big run was an example. That hole was the size of a semi truck.

Murray is the true back. He's the guy that sees the cut back lanes and has the vision to read the 2nd level. Who cares if he doesn't get all 65 yards in one carry. He will get it in 5 to 8. Atleast he won't go 3 for 5 yards before he hits the 65 yard run. Murray will get you 3 to 5 yards on almost every carry. Randle can not do that.

I'm not even certain that Randall is the answer. But can you tell me that Jeremy hill or Le'Veon Bell or some other running back of that caliber picked up in the third round of the draft couldn't do everything that DeMarco Murray did behind this offensive line?!?

 

[jrumann59]

The difference in burst and yards left on the field between him and Randle is ridiculous. Murray has had a great year but I truly believe Randle or Williams could have done just as well if not better. I truly believe that Murrays ability to pick up the blitz is why he is the incumbant not his ability to hit wide open holes.

I disagree these two need a clean hole to get to open space to do damage. Murray just needs a hole but in open space he is slow.

 

[SDCowboy]

I've been on record for saying this. Murray just doesn't impress me at all. He runs hard, yes MB3 ran hard too. But man he doesn't look like an elite rb. He's sluggish all the time and he just imo seems like more of a product of his touches. He gets a ton of carries. How does he stack ypa compared to other rbs? I would imagine middle of the pack.

I'm all for another rb next season.

I hate to say it, but I agree to an extent. I find Murray to be slightly overrated, IMO (though I am still impressed). I don't know if Randle could carry the ball as much as Murray, but if he could, I think he easily has 2k+ yards this season. I think there is much better speed and vision there.

As for the playoffs, I hope we don't force Murray carries just for the sake of running him if he's still going to look as sluggish as he has the past few weeks. I hope Randle has way more carries this week if needed.

 

[supercowboy8]

I'm not even certain that Randall is the answer. But can you tell me that Jeremy hill or Le'Veon Bell or some other running back of that caliber picked up in the third round of the draft couldn't do everything that DeMarco Murray did behind this offensive line?!?

Hill and Bell were both 2nd round picks.
No not just any RB can do what Murray did. Sure Bell or Hill could but what about bishop Sankey oor the other rookie RBs this year. I agree you can find good RBs to replace Murray and I'm all for it but not just anyone can do it. Sankey was a 2nd round pick and was terrible this year