Career high rating for Drew? What he needs:

[MichaelWinicki]

...and 2004

Oh you mean when Bledsoe was like the 25th rated passer in the NFL?

Yeah, that's real good.

In my younger days before I was married I use to like to hang out with guys like you because I figured I would have a great shot at the best looking women while someone like you would be going after the 25th best.

 

[Hostile]

No arguement sir.

But useful for consideration when we consider what must be done to avoid failing again next year.

I don't think there's anything to consider at starting QB. Bledsoe should be back.

 

[big_neil]

Believe it or not Norsey... Fouts career started when there were only 14 games played per season AND the passing rules were far more beneficial to the defense.

True, but only for 3 or 4 of Fouts 14 seasons.

When exactly did the passing rules change? And are you factoring in the end of the pocket passer era?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Stats, shmats. I watched Dan Fouts with my own eyes. He was sick.

THere is no comparison, I don't care what the numbers say.

Are you saying you liked or disliked Fouts?

 

[Hostile]

True, but only for 3 or 4 of Fouts 14 seasons.

When exactly did the passing rules change? And are you factoring in the end of the pocket passer era?

The pocket passer era has never ended.

 

[Nors]

Yes - Fouts never won squat and threw like 8 Td's in excess of Ints in his career. It's all the "air coryell" mirage.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

True, but only for 3 or 4 of Fouts 14 seasons.

When exactly did the passing rules change? And are you factoring in the end of the pocket passer era?

When did they change?

They've been changing... continually.

From the elimination of "stickum" to the rules against the "head-slap" to the relaxed pass-blocking rules to the stricter enforcement of defensive holding and interference.

Over the past 30 years the NFL has taken more and more away from the defense.

 

[blindzebra]

When did they change?

They've been changing... continually.

From the elimination of "stickum" to the rules against the "head-slap" to the relaxed pass-blocking rules to the stricter enforcement of defensive holding and interference.

Over the past 30 years the NFL has taken more and more away from the defense.

Facts, we talking facts, facts?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yes - Fouts never won squat and threw like 8 Td's in excess of Ints in his career. It's all the "air coryell" mirage.

Dan Fouts had one of the quickest releases I've ever seen. Maybe the quickest outside of Marino.

Did "Air Coryell" help? You bet! But so did Parcells the year he allowed Bledsoe to attempt 700 passes or whatever the ridiculous amount was or 2002 in Buffalo. Those were as much "mirages".

 

[wileedog]

Are you saying you liked or disliked Fouts?

I was a mere youngin when Fouts played, but even then I knew a great QB when I saw one.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Facts, we talking facts, facts?

I dunno Z.

I'm debating with a guy that knows Bledsoe's measurements but doesn't know the history of the game.

I probably shouldn't have gotten into this mess huh?

 

[Nors]

Go look at Fouts career stats -alarming...

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I was a mere youngin when Fouts played, but even then I knew a great QB when I saw one.

Fouts was an incredible passer for the era.

 

[Hostile]

I dunno Z.

I'm debating with a guy that knows Bledsoe's measurements but doesn't know the history of the game.

I probably shouldn't have gotten into this mess huh?

Ask him what size neck he wears in his shirts.

 

[Nors]

Dan Fouts
Quarterback
Born: 1951
6-time Pro Bowler: 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1985


+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1973 sdg | 10 | 87 194 44.8 1126 5.8 6 13 | 7 32 0 |
| 1974 sdg | 11 | 115 237 48.5 1732 7.3 8 13 | 19 63 1 |
| 1975 sdg | 10 | 106 195 54.4 1396 7.2 2 10 | 23 170 2 |
| 1976 sdg | 14 | 208 359 57.9 2535 7.1 14 15 | 18 65 0 |
| 1977 sdg | 4 | 69 109 63.3 869 8.0 4 6 | 6 13 0 |
| 1978 sdg | 15 | 224 381 58.8 2999 7.9 24 20 | 20 43 2 |
| 1979 sdg | 16 | 332 530 62.6 4082 7.7 24 24 | 26 49 2 |
| 1980 sdg | 16 | 348 589 59.1 4715 8.0 30 24 | 23 15 2 |
| 1981 sdg | 16 | 360 609 59.1 4802 7.9 33 17 | 22 56 0 |
| 1982 sdg | 9 | 204 330 61.8 2883 8.7 17 11 | 9 8 1 |
| 1983 sdg | 10 | 215 340 63.2 2975 8.8 20 15 | 12 -5 1 |
| 1984 sdg | 13 | 317 507 62.5 3740 7.4 19 17 | 12 -29 0 |
| 1985 sdg | 14 | 254 430 59.1 3638 8.5 27 20 | 11 -1 0 |
| 1986 sdg | 12 | 252 430 58.6 3031 7.0 16 22 | 4 -3 0 |
| 1987 sdg | 11 | 206 364 56.6 2517 6.9 10 15 | 12 0 2 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| TOTAL | 181 | 3297 5604 58.8 43040 7.7 254 242 | 224 476 13 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

Some facts - 254 Td's, 242 Ints. MAYBE THE MOST OVERATED qb OF ALL TIME WHO ALSO WON SQUAT!

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Ask him what size neck he wears in his shirts.

LOL!

I was thinking something much lower than that... but you made a good point.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Dan Fouts
Quarterback
Born: 1951
6-time Pro Bowler: 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1985


+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1973 sdg | 10 | 87 194 44.8 1126 5.8 6 13 | 7 32 0 |
| 1974 sdg | 11 | 115 237 48.5 1732 7.3 8 13 | 19 63 1 |
| 1975 sdg | 10 | 106 195 54.4 1396 7.2 2 10 | 23 170 2 |
| 1976 sdg | 14 | 208 359 57.9 2535 7.1 14 15 | 18 65 0 |
| 1977 sdg | 4 | 69 109 63.3 869 8.0 4 6 | 6 13 0 |
| 1978 sdg | 15 | 224 381 58.8 2999 7.9 24 20 | 20 43 2 |
| 1979 sdg | 16 | 332 530 62.6 4082 7.7 24 24 | 26 49 2 |
| 1980 sdg | 16 | 348 589 59.1 4715 8.0 30 24 | 23 15 2 |
| 1981 sdg | 16 | 360 609 59.1 4802 7.9 33 17 | 22 56 0 |
| 1982 sdg | 9 | 204 330 61.8 2883 8.7 17 11 | 9 8 1 |
| 1983 sdg | 10 | 215 340 63.2 2975 8.8 20 15 | 12 -5 1 |
| 1984 sdg | 13 | 317 507 62.5 3740 7.4 19 17 | 12 -29 0 |
| 1985 sdg | 14 | 254 430 59.1 3638 8.5 27 20 | 11 -1 0 |
| 1986 sdg | 12 | 252 430 58.6 3031 7.0 16 22 | 4 -3 0 |
| 1987 sdg | 11 | 206 364 56.6 2517 6.9 10 15 | 12 0 2 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| TOTAL | 181 | 3297 5604 58.8 43040 7.7 254 242 | 224 476 13 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

Some facts - 254 Td's, 242 Ints. MAYBE THE MOST OVERATED qb OF ALL TIME WHO ALSO WON SQUAT!

Nors, only 3 times (this year will be the 4th) was Drew Bledsoe even in the top 10 of adjusted yards per pass in any season. Fouts? 9 freaking times. Fouts was one of the dominant QB's of his era. Drew Bledsoe was never one of the 5 most dominant QB's for more than a year or two. That's the difference between the two players.

 

[TNCowboy]

The one stat Bledsoe is superior to Fouts is interceptions.

Granted, that's a crucial category, but as someone pointed out, the passing game and its rules are much different now than in the late 70's.

In Fouts' day, it was a rarity for a passer to get to 4,000 yds, and he did it 3 consecutive years, and would've done it possibly 7 or 8 years if he'd been healthy and there wasn't a strike in '82. And Bledsoe's career avg. passes per game is much higher than Fouts', so that's not a legitimate argument.

To me, the most important QB stats (not including won/loss record) are yards per attempt and passer rating. Fouts average ypa is over 1 yard more than Bledsoe's. In fact, Bledsoe's 6.6 ypa is one of the worst among the league's top 50 all-time passers.

Bledsoe's all-time numbers are a testament to two things: he's stayed healthy and he throws a lot of passes. If I'm not mistaken, Bledsoe has thrown more passes per game than any other QB in NFL history who has had any significant playing time. Not even Marino averaged as many per game.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Nors, I apologize for schooling you and big nail so badly tonight. Maybe you guys can team up and get me Christmas gift or something. It's not often the master takes two youngsters like yourselves and beats the tar out of you in such a gentle but memorable way. No doubt the both of you will be thanking me for this lesson.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I swear some of the expectations of players is so unrealistic.

Four times Drew Bledsoe has passed for more yards that the most ever by any Cowboy.

he has broken 4000 yards 3 times.

He is about to be the second all-time passer for yards for the Cowboys if he can get a little less than 200-yards against the Rams.

And please don't anyone tell me that they think the 1983 Cowboys didn't have a better offensive line that produced 3980 yards for Danny White.

Or the 1979 line was not better that aided Roger Staubach in passing for 3586 yards from scrimmage.

Or that this offensive line was better than the 1992 offensive line which helped Aikman produce 3445 yards.

By the by:

1983 - Tony Dorsett - 1321 yards rushing
1979 - Tony Dorsett - 1107 yards rushing
1992 - Emmitt Smith - 1773 yards rushing