Career high rating for Drew? What he needs:

[Sarge]

Doom you sound like someone shorted you a present for Christmas.

:laugh1:

Morning Winks.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

:laugh1:

Morning Winks.

LOL!

Morning Sarge...

I'm getting ready to pass the collection plate for Dooms... We'll turn that frown upside down in no time at all.

 

[Doomsday101]

Doom you sound like someone shorted you a present for Christmas.

I had a great Christmas but as I said I'm sick of the whining about Bledsoe. The guy is a good QB who has come to this team and has done a pretty good job despite not having much of a running game or blocking to assist him, yet this team is still in a position to make the playoffs. I look at a QB like Vick that guy is no where close to the talent of Bledsoe yet I see knuckle heads singing the guys praise? Why because he can run the football, that great if you run the wishbone but for an NFL QB the name of the game is passing and Drew can still do that better than many QB around the league past or present.

 

[TNCowboy]

PS - you keep saying the same thing in different ways. First it's YPA. Then it's how many attempts it took him to get that many yards. As if it's several strikes against Drew. That is about the only bad stat you can come up with on Drew.

That's because you can't answer the original point: Bledsoe has good #s because he's stayed healthy for a lot of years and he throws passes with more frequency than anyone in NFL history. You dispute that by saying his YPA this year is comparable to the average of some all-time greats, glossing over the fact this is one of his best years, not an average year for him. His numbers - on average - wouldn't get him in the top 5 in the league in most years, as his passer rating #s clearly show.

He's a good QB; he just doesn't measure up to guys like Marino and Fouts.

 

[Juke99]

It is what it is Nors... I would think for most on this board the consensus is that Aikman was still a better QB than Bledsoe.

I'm sorry you hate Troy so much, but you being a loyal Pats fan first I can understand.

:signmast:

 

[Martice]

You can get lost in the numbers all day long. Using numbers ONLY to justify your argument leads to long threads like these that rarely prove conclusive.

Drew may have a ton of come from behind victories. To the person who did not watch Drew throughout his career (not a Bills or Pats FAN) this may look very impressive. However, without seeing what put the Bills or Pats in situations that caused them to have to come from behind you will never know Drew's worth in this category.

Drew has a lot of passing yards true. All that means to me is that he threw a lot. However, did he make that short touch pass that would have saved the game? Did he throw the pass in the dirt instead? To the stat keeper it was just another pass. To the fan of the Bills or Pats it was as good as Drew committing treason.

This is why I go by what I have seen over the years. My friend who lives upstairs happens to be a big bills fans. When I am not watching a game with him, I used to be able to tell when things weren't going right because my ceiling light would start shaking. When I'd speak to him about the game later, more times than not, his complaint was Drew screwing things up like taking a sack at a time when a sack wasn't an option or throwing the Bledsoe pick.

The above scenario is not recorded in the stat sheet. Drew may have thrown for a lot of completions but it could be the one's that he didn't complete that will ultimately define his career. I think this is why he has so many bashers and unless you watched this guy his whole career or you are a Bills or Pats fan, will you not have the advantage of stats and the all seeing eye experience.

I for one have seen him enough (Bills games and Cowboys) to say this year, I made my downstairs neighbors ceiling light shake a lot but I also feel that we could be a lot worse off at the QB position.

Is Drew great? In my mind no. He is a great passer but not a great player. There is a difference you know.

 

[Sarge]

I had a great Christmas but as I said I'm sick of the whining about Bledsoe. The guy is a good QB who has come to this team and has done a pretty good job despite not having much of a running game or blocking to assist him, yet this team is still in a position to make the playoffs. I look at a QB like Vick that guy is no where close to the talent of Bledsoe yet I see knuckle heads singing the guys praise? Why because he can run the football, that great if you run the wishbone but for an NFL QB the name of the game is passing and Drew can still do that better than many QB around the league past or present.

I don't think anyone is capable of changing another person's opinion around on the Bledsoe issue.

I happen to think he's an upgrade over the last few imbeciles we've had but I don't think Bledsoe will ever be a SB winner. He is far too limited in his ability to avoid any kind of pass rush.

He has a great arm and can look very good at times. In the end though, it all comes down to his complete inability to avoid a pass rush and at this late date it remains disturbing how he holds onto the ball too long.

I guess I fall somewhere in between. Yes, he's an upgrade.

...but, that isn't saying much.

OK - carry on men.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't think anyone is capable of changing another person's opinion around on the Bledsoe issue.

I happen to think he's an upgrade over the last few imbeciles we've had but I don't think Bledsoe will ever be a SB winner. He is far too limited in his ability to avoid any kind of pass rush.

He has a great arm and can look very good at times. In the end though, it all comes down to his complete inability to avoid a pass rush and at this late date it remains disturbing how he holds onto the ball too long.

I guess I fall somewhere in between. Yes, he's an upgrade.

...but, that isn't saying much.

OK - carry on men.

Bledsoe can help get this team to a Super Bowl but it takes an entire team to make it and win a SB. I don't care who the QB is or how great that QB is, if you don't have the team around the QB you will not make it to the show.

 

[Sarge]

Bledsoe can help get this team to a Super Bowl but it takes an entire team to make it and win a SB. I don't care who the QB is or how great that QB is, if you don't have the team around the QB you will not make it to the show.

I don't think anyone would disagree with this - common sense.

 

[Martice]

I don't think anyone is capable of changing another person's opinion around on the Bledsoe issue.

I happen to think he's an upgrade over the last few imbeciles we've had but I don't think Bledsoe will ever be a SB winner. He is far too limited in his ability to avoid any kind of pass rush.

He has a great arm and can look very good at times. In the end though, it all comes down to his complete inability to avoid a pass rush and at this late date it remains disturbing how he holds onto the ball too long.

I guess I fall somewhere in between. Yes, he's an upgrade.

...but, that isn't saying much.

OK - carry on men.

Also if BP leaves it will be interesting to see how he holds up against a new coach that doesn't have the "understanding" of Drew that BP does.

Someone in this thread has said that they hope Drew stays on for 3 more years. Uhhhh....... NOT!! As Drew gets older he will get slower and I can't imagine anyone being that slow. If he can't avoid a rush now, what will be doing in 3 more years?

I say one more year and we need new blood and some kind of idea that our QB postion is in good hands. The Giants have served notice. The Eagles are in good shape. The skins are one QB away from being set as a team for the near future.

Thanks Drew but after next year, you can hold the clip board and groom one of our youngsters.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I had a great Christmas but as I said I'm sick of the whining about Bledsoe. The guy is a good QB who has come to this team and has done a pretty good job despite not having much of a running game or blocking to assist him, yet this team is still in a position to make the playoffs. I look at a QB like Vick that guy is no where close to the talent of Bledsoe yet I see knuckle heads singing the guys praise? Why because he can run the football, that great if you run the wishbone but for an NFL QB the name of the game is passing and Drew can still do that better than many QB around the league past or present.

Dooms... first off, I'm personally glad that you and yours had a great Christmas. So did I.

Secondly, I don't think anyone in this thread is complaining about the job Bledsoe has done this year. I said prior to the start of the season if he maintained a QB rating of 85 or better I would be tickled pink... and he has.

This thread has discussed the relative position of Bledsoe in comparison with the all-time greats. It has not been a thread about how bad a QB anyone thinks Bledsoe is.

But if you want to start a thread like that... I'll be over shortly to add a few lines.

Just kidding. I do think Bledsoe has done well by this team.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't think anyone would disagree with this - common sense.

I would hope so but I keep seeing how Bledsoe can't take us to the SB. Drew has the talent but he is not going to carry this team. For the Cowboys or any team to make it, it will be because they have the team to get their not just the QB. I have seen QB's with less talent than Drew go to the SB and win it

 

[Doomsday101]

Dooms... first off, I'm personally glad that you and yours had a great Christmas. So did I.

Secondly, I don't think anyone in this thread is complaining about the job Bledsoe has done this year. I said prior to the start of the season if he maintained a QB rating of 85 or better I would be tickled pink... and he has.

This thread has discussed the relative position of Bledsoe in comparison with the all-time greats. It has not been a thread about how bad a QB anyone thinks Bledsoe is.

But if you want to start a thread like that... I'll be over shortly to add a few lines.

Just kidding. I do think Bledsoe has done well by this team.

Looking at the all time list Drew ranks fairly high in most categories but when that is thrown out there all of a sudden numbers don't mean anything. I don't think Drew is the best ever but he ranks fairly high.

 

[Zaxor]

I don't think anyone is capable of changing another person's opinion around on the Bledsoe issue.

I happen to think he's an upgrade over the last few imbeciles we've had but I don't think Bledsoe will ever be a SB winner. He is far too limited in his ability to avoid any kind of pass rush.

He has a great arm and can look very good at times. In the end though, it all comes down to his complete inability to avoid a pass rush and at this late date it remains disturbing how he holds onto the ball too long.

I guess I fall somewhere in between. Yes, he's an upgrade.

...but, that isn't saying much.

OK - carry on men.

Thank you Sarge..this is exactly how I feel about the guy...Its nothing personal with me and I have no grudge on the guy... It does freak me though when people think he is the next best thing to having Jesus in cleats.

And I feel it is my public duty to educate the masses... though it is a wearisome and unthankfull task

 

[Sarge]

...I feel it is my public duty to educate the masses... though it is a wearisome and unthankfull task

I feel your pain. It's not easy being perfect is it?

 

[Zaxor]

I feel your pain. It's not easy being perfect is it?

No it isn't

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Looking at the all time list Drew ranks fairly high in most categories but when that is thrown out there all of a sudden numbers don't mean anything. I don't think Drew is the best ever but he ranks fairly high.

Exactly!

Here is the list of QB's that I posted early whom I thought were better overall...

Marino
Manning
Fouts
Moon
Stauback
Aikman
Kelley
Farve
Unitas
Bradshaw
Griese
Stabler
Young
Montana
Tarkenton
Elway
Brady
Manning

I don't think I've disrespected Bledsoe in the least...

Dooms you have to stop that "I will only read every other Winicki post" rule... you're missing out on some important stuff.

 

[Doomsday101]

Exactly!

Here is the list of QB's that I posted early whom I thought were better overall...

Marino
Manning
Fouts
Moon
Stauback
Aikman
Kelley
Farve
Unitas
Bradshaw
Griese
Stabler
Young
Montana
Tarkenton
Elway
Brady
Manning

I don't think I've disrespected Bledsoe in the least...

Dooms you have to stop that "I will only read every other Winicki post" rule... you're missing out on some important stuff.

I don't have a problem with your list I think that is a fair assessment on your part. All of these guys were great QB's in their own right. You listed 18 QB over a long period of time and even if you rank Bledsoe below those guys he still ranks fairly high in the big picture.

 

[DCBoysfan]

Drew's career high rating was 1997 at 87.7.

He has an average of 30 attempts per game this season.

By simply having a decent game he can raise his season average to a career best 87.8 by going:

22/30 264 y 1 TD 0 INT.

Let's assume he has a ridiculous game:

27/40 394 4 TD 0 INT his rating would be 90.0 for the season, his first 90 rated season.

I hope he doesn't have to throw the ball 40 times, we should be able to run on the Rams D.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't have a problem with your list I think that is a fair assessment on your part. All of these guys were great QB's in their own right. You listed 18 QB over a long period of time and even if you rank Bledsoe below those guys he still ranks fairly high in the big picture.

Exactly.

See Dooms, we do agree.

If there is anything else you're confused about don't hesitate to contact me. I'm in the book.