Carr takes paycut

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Seems like CB has been lowered on the need list.

Which to me means we are dropping back in the draft and not using our #4.

At least not on a DB.

Think they are going DL but back around middle of the first.

As long as we get something decent to add to the defense..that's fine.

I think this means Zeke is in play now at 4
 

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Or, this has absolutely no impact on our draft.

Is there some secret that nobody's told me? Perhaps an asteroid is due to destroy the Earth right after this football season?

Or you could be correct jimnabby...
 

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Use the money to sign Jason Jones, and provide a hedge against not being able to add DL early in the draft.
 

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I agree

To go 1-11 without Romo and then proceed to do absolutely nothing to upgrade the position seriously makes me question their intelligence

Maybe Garrett really is as dumb as 90% of this board thinks

He's not dumb, but they're making a mistake thinking they can plug this hole with a rookie outside the first round.
 

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I think this means Zeke is in play now at 4

I would hope so..

Elliott is going to crush some defenses this season and DMac and Morris will clearly benefit in second halves were defenses are worn down from the OL pounding.

To me its a match made in heaven with Romo's play action and playcalling at the line.

We'll see.
 

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That's half his Salary. Absolutely a one up for the F.O. on the good news going into this Thursday evening.

Outstanding restructure, everyone in and around your Dallas Cowboys should be uplifted by this re-signing. Plus the increased possibility of improving from a Trade or via post draft NFL Free Agency; i.e. after the Draft and Rookie FAs are signed.
 
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What if those two rookies are 4th and 6th round picks? You think that's an upgrade?

Extending a vet from what was a mediocre secondary isn't something I would be celebrating as part of improving the secondary.

We'll see what they do in the draft. But yes, just getting Scandrick back and not losing Mo is an upgrade.

DB is going to be a priority, though, because we've got three starters or key role player as UFAs next season.
 

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He's not dumb, but they're making a mistake thinking they can plug this hole with a rookie outside the first round.

It wouldn't hurt Dallas to start using more 2nd, 3rd and 4th picks on CBs instead of investing in the position with high draft picks. They spend too many first on DBs and the outcome hasn't been good.
 

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It wouldn't hurt Dallas to start using more 2nd, 3rd and 4th picks on CBs instead of investing in the position with high draft picks. They spend too many first on DBs and the outcome hasn't been good.

Mo's been a disappointment, no doubt. It's an important position though. You have to get them from somewhere.
 

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Mo's been a disappointment, no doubt. It's an important position though. You have to get them from somewhere.

No doubt. But just look at Carolina and Giants. Built your DL will make your secondary look good.
 

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Mo's been a disappointment, no doubt. It's an important position though. You have to get them from somewhere.

It doesn't have to be the first round . The team's history is not too good with first round DB picks and they pick them fairly often. Actually , it has hurt the team on many levels . Every year there is a need for DBs on this team and it is time to develop some second day picks instead of wasting first round picks. Look at the results. It hasn't been good. If it was, it wouldn't be a constant need.
 

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Mo and TNew were disappointments they failed to reach full potential for many years, but both have proven valuable recently.

The point is that Jalen is at worst better than Claiborne and Terrence will ever be and noticeably greater than Byron Jones coming out as well. In fact, at the end Ramsey is too special to pass on, thus will probably land in San Diego. If not he'll prove #4 worthy.

If indeed taken, Dallas is in prime position to Trade the best Offensive player in the entire 2016 NFL Draft, LT Jeremy Tunsil, where there will be bona fide suitors.
 
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Mo and TNew were disappointments, they failed to reach full potential for many years but both have proven valuable recently. The point is that Jalen is, at worst, better than Claiborne and Terrence will ever be, better than Byron Jones coming out as well.

In the end Ramsey is too special to pass on, thus will probably land in San Diego. If not, he'll prove #4 worthy...if he gets taken Dallas is in prime position to Trade the best player on the Draft Jeremy Tunsil, where there will be bonafide suitors.

I wouldn't call TNew disappointment. He has been very productive and still playing in the league. At his prime he shut down many #1 WRs.
 

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Well, we haven't had the draft yet. I'm not sure anybody expected them to sign an expensive FA. They got Mo back, Carr renegotiated, and they're getting Scandrick back. They're looking hard at Ramsey, and if they don't get him, you can bet they'll bring in a DB or two elsewhere. That's a fair amount of work for one position group in an offseason.

Did they sign Norman to qb money?
 

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I agree

To go 1-11 without Romo and then proceed to do absolutely nothing to upgrade the position seriously makes me question their intelligence

Maybe Garrett really is as dumb as 90% of this board thinks

Though, I'm sure it was a split % wise..... On fault

Unless Romo changes to the correct play, our O is screwed regardless. That's a lot to put on a Rook QB..... Don't care who it is.

Our scheme is pretty vanilla.....you both have to admit to that? How many 1 on 1 battles did our receivers win last year? On top of that, how many of those wins were missed by Weeden, Cassel & Moore?

That is my concern......
 

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It doesn't have to be the first round . The team's history is not too good with first round DB picks and they pick them fairly often. Actually , it has hurt the team on many levels . Every year there is a need for DBs on this team and it is time to develop some second day picks instead of wasting first round picks. Look at the results. It hasn't been good. If it was, it wouldn't be a constant need.

I guess I'm not sure who you're talking about. Newman was a heck of a good pick. Jenkins was a decent player here for his first contract and survived in the league a lot longer than that. Roy Williams? He was an impact player for a few years, made five probowls and had an all pro season.

And that's going back quite a few years for a position group that basically includes five starters on each team.

Honestly, I think fans just don't know how to evaluate defensive backs very well in general. They see them getting beat and then think they can't play.
 

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No doubt. But just look at Carolina and Giants. Built your DL will make your secondary look good.

I don't agree. You need to build it all. NFL QBs are going to eat you up if you can't cover. The Giants spend a lot of resources on their backfield, and that CAR team was good all over on defense.
 

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I don't agree. You need to build it all. NFL QBs are going to eat you up if you can't cover. The Giants spend a lot of resources on their backfield, and that CAR team was good all over on defense.

Exactly. Ok yes... If you could only have one elite unit on defense you'd want it to be your defensive line. People take that fact and extrapolate to.... you don't need a secondary if you can rush the pass!

Meanwhile a Tom Brady butchers you all the way down the field on a series of 8 yard pass completion after 8 yard pass completion while never being touched because 2 seconds isn't enough time for even an elite pass rush to come home to roost.
 
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