CBS: 2023 QB Power Rankings

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He had a defensive coach and the defense was not great. When you lose in the playoffs 31-30 and you had no turnovers you have done your job (especially when the run game for them was horrid that game). Herbert completes the ball at any range, does not make turnovers, especially in big moments, and when you watch him, there is no point where you do not see elite high end talent. There is literally nothing you could ask him to do because he is out there looking like Mahomes but without Reid.
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I literally see similiarities in stats with the much maligned guy from the star. and outside of last years anomally could make a similar claim. not exact but similiar. I just dont see the all the fanfare for herbert but to each his own.
 

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I literally see similiarities in stats with the much maligned guy from the star. and outside of last years anomally could make a similar claim. not exact but similiar. I just dont see the all the fanfare for herbert but to each his own.
This is partially why no one uses raw stats when ranking QBs. You could also line up Mahomes and have similar numbers (and again Mahomes has Reid). So using your own logic Mahomes and Dak are the same player, and yes if you extrapolate the Herbert stats you basically get Mahomes stats. If we were to go about it this way all QBs are equal, but we can watch the games and see very clearly that they are not. Herbert can make throws no one else can, and makes plays no one else can. This is the reason that people watch tape instead of just looking at a statline because most of the QB statlines in the NFL are going to look similar for franchise QBs, except for the Ravens because they do things weird.
 

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Bryce Young and Kyler Murray are similar players.
Except Young didn't run the 40 at the combine or on his pro-day....hmmm....
 

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This is partially why no one uses raw stats when ranking QBs. You could also line up Mahomes and have similar numbers (and again Mahomes has Reid). So using your own logic Mahomes and Dak are the same player, and yes if you extrapolate the Herbert stats you basically get Mahomes stats. If we were to go about it this way all QBs are equal, but we can watch the games and see very clearly that they are not. Herbert can make throws no one else can, and makes plays no one else can. This is the reason that people watch tape instead of just looking at a statline because most of the QB statlines in the NFL are going to look similar for franchise QBs, except for the Ravens because they do things weird.
Fair enough I just believe the guy is over rated
 

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Herbert has played better than just about any QB in the league but just lacked the players around him. It sort of emphasizes why wins are a team stat and not an individual stat.
I agree about wins are a team thing.
 

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These sites really know how to troll cowboys fans and give them clicks.
 

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What, Herbert since he came into the league 3 years ago?
  • Most passing touchdowns by a rookie quarterback (31)
  • Most total touchdowns by a rookie quarterback (36)
  • Most 300-yard passing games by a rookie quarterback (8)
  • Most completions by a rookie quarterback (396)
  • Most games with at least 3 touchdown passes by a rookie (6)
  • Most passing yards in a quarterback's first two seasons (9,350)
  • First QB to reach 500+ completions before his 20th start
  • Most total touchdowns in a quarterback's first two seasons (77)
  • First quarterback to record 30 touchdown passes in each of his first two seasons.
  • Most passing yards in a quarterback's first three NFL seasons, passing the likes of Luck, Manning, and Burrow.
Those were just a couple things he did in his three short years, and he put up those numbers with his primary targets missing 23 games and playing hobbled in several others. Also, as long as the Spanos clan is running that organization, and Staley is slapping a governor on the offense while flipping a coin to determine if the team should go for it regardless of the situation, the prognosis for winning is not the best.

Compare the first 3 years of Herbert's NFL career vs. Josh Allen’s most recent 3 years and Herbert has a higher completion percentage, more passing yards, he’s behind on TD’s (crushes Allen’s first 3-year total), has less picks, and is 2% behind in QBR but with a higher career average. There’s a reason good QB’s aren’t racing to play for that organization. They won't build it to win in the long haul and Herbert would be best served getting out after his rookie contract but he won't.

BTW, Stafford’s where he should be @ 18. Guy made it to the Superbowl with a roster that sold it’s soul for a championship and still more-than-likely wouldn’t have made it there if Jaquiski Tartt would have fielded Stafford’s 4th quarter punt pass that prompted Troy Aikman to comment on recent desperation throws by Matt Stafford. Stafford’s fairly washed.
I love Hebert. Whats your point?
 

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There’s 1 super elite win with whatever QB (Mahomes)
1 guys who’s another deep playoff season away from being a super elite win with whatever guy (Burrow)
4* guys with the all around talent to be in that Mahomes tier (Allen, Herbert, Lawrence, *Rodgers if you believe he hasn’t fallen off much physically)
3 guys who are superior athletes with the ability to throw but not quite elite throwers yet (Hurts, Jackson, Watson)
5 guys who are good to very across the board but not really elite at anything (Dak, Cousins, Geno, Goff, Carr)
4 guys who have some elite qualities but due to size, injury, and/or fall-off are now question marks (Murray, Wilson, Tua, Stafford)
4 outside looking in (Daniel Jones, Garrapolo, Tannehill, Mac Jones)


18 total guys you can win with, they just need varying levels of support. 4 guys who if you squint could do it, but they need it all to be absolutely perfect. Anyone not named above is not a starting caliber guy for more than a year or so, excluding Rooks obviously.

I find that it’s not necessarily a ranked order, just different tiers of support needed to win.
Yeah the 1 thru 15 thing doesn't work.

Tiers is more realistic.
 

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What was Stafford at the beginning of 2022?
Speaking of. The games he played last, he played with a hurt elbow and mostly with no line or true starting WR.
If he's back to 2021 form then he could be in that upper group of 7-8.
Guess we'll see. No idea
 

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Sure but to deny he played exceptionally well both running and throwing is just Cowboys homerism.

He was one of the three best QBs in football last year.
No he played well. Never said he didn't. But he did have probably the strongest supporting cast around him.

With that said, I have always argued, no QB does it alone. That's just pure bullshiet. It's what can a QB do when he does have the cast around him.

They got to the superbowl. We didn't.
 

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This current crop of mediocrity or worse at the Quarterback position is unprecedented
It may seem so, but I am also not so sure. In any era there are probably 2 to 3 elite QBs. If NFL fans are lucky maybe 4. Right now I see two. Mahomes and Burrows who are able to lift their teams and need less than others to succeed. I don't put Allen in that category. He is very very very good, but just a notch below those two. I don't see Hurts that way. Rodgers is sliding a bit too.
 

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Dak lead the league in picks, plus was horribly inconsistent. He's made some decisions that make him look worse than a rookie. In the Washington game, he through a boneheaded pass that should have been a pick 6. The only reason it wasn't was dumb luck. The Washington player dropped it, even though it went right to him. Then, on the very next play, Dak made the exact same error on the same play, but this time Washington didn't screw it up; it was a pick 6.

I remember the Cowboys' elite quarterbacks, Staubach, Aikman, Danny White, and even Bernie Kosar. Dak's not even in the same neighborhood as those guys. Even very good quarterbacks like Don Meredith and Craig Morton were better. Yeah, this guy's got to get a lot better. To be honest, I haven't paid any attention to Geno Smith. If you say Dak is better than he is, you're probably right. But Dak still needs to improve. We'll see if he reduces his number of picks. If he does, then I'll give him credit.
I think you are late to the party and just regurgigating what everybody else says. You see this as a negative and continuously pick at it. you completely ignored the comment about Stafford....
with that said, Dak is not Elite. he is a top 10-12 QB and just like all other 8,9 non-elite QBs in top 12, he needs support around him to have a team that can compete.

and regarding the nit picking of the washington game, you are honing on on one interception. then lets hone in couple of others, since you went from general "lead the league in interceptions" to dissecting an interception in a game in which the entire team stank it up. the entire team stank it up. but yes, lets ignore that. how about the overtime interception against Jags? when brown clearly should have had that ball tucked in and a first down, instead he played volleyball and gave it to the Jags defender. what about hendershot and his volley pass interception inside the redzone? how about Gallup with the same.... if you nitpick one play, we can nitpick all the other ones.

and btw, I remember Cowboys elite QBs like Aikman, Staubach...Danny white was good not elite. Kosar !!!! really you going there. are you sure? he was a back up and at the end of his career when he came to dallas. At this point, you are scatter shooting and throwing out random names....

and again, I don't disagree that Dak is not elite. never claimed he was, so you spend a couple of paragraphs, trying to prove what? Dak is not elite...LOL. too funny. you could have just start with that.


and lastly, what's your solution? you seem to live in the past era and wanting an Elite QB. you offered no options, thoughts or opinions on how to get an Elite QB. throw out a few names for QBs you think are elite....you did it for the past era, lets move to today!! you just clicking your heels three times and wishing you were back in kansas. Well, this ain't the yellow brick road and you are not in Oz. come back to reality.

yes, Dak needs to improve. so do the other 8,9 non elite QBs that are in the top 12. every single one of them has flaws.
 

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I think you are late to the party and just regurgigating what everybody else says. You see this as a negative and continuously pick at it. you completely ignored the comment about Stafford....
with that said, Dak is not Elite. he is a top 10-12 QB and just like all other 8,9 non-elite QBs in top 12, he needs support around him to have a team that can compete.

and regarding the nit picking of the washington game, you are honing on on one interception. then lets hone in couple of others, since you went from general "lead the league in interceptions" to dissecting an interception in a game in which the entire team stank it up. the entire team stank it up. but yes, lets ignore that. how about the overtime interception against Jags? when brown clearly should have had that ball tucked in and a first down, instead he played volleyball and gave it to the Jags defender. what about hendershot and his volley pass interception inside the redzone? how about Gallup with the same.... if you nitpick one play, we can nitpick all the other ones.

and btw, I remember Cowboys elite QBs like Aikman, Staubach...Danny white was good not elite. Kosar !!!! really you going there. are you sure? he was a back up and at the end of his career when he came to dallas. At this point, you are scatter shooting and throwing out random names....

and again, I don't disagree that Dak is not elite. never claimed he was, so you spend a couple of paragraphs, trying to prove what? Dak is not elite...LOL. too funny. you could have just start with that.


and lastly, what's your solution? you seem to live in the past era and wanting an Elite QB. you offered no options, thoughts or opinions on how to get an Elite QB. throw out a few names for QBs you think are elite....you did it for the past era, lets move to today!! you just clicking your heels three times and wishing you were back in kansas. Well, this ain't the yellow brick road and you are not in Oz. come back to reality.

yes, Dak needs to improve. so do the other 8,9 non elite QBs that are in the top 12. every single one of them has flaws.
Don't worry about your QB leading the league in picks, despite playing in only 12 games. Gotcha. That's sheer genius. Yes, Bernie Kosa was a better QB than Dak. He lead his team to the AFC Championship twice, and had other excellent seasons. We got him as a backup only out of sheer luck. Bill Bellichick inexplicably fired him. When Kosar played in relief of an injured Troy Aikman, he played great and won the game, sending us to the Super Bowl. Without Kosar, we don't go to Super Bowl 28.
And thanks for your sheer genius comment that it's impossible to get a better quarterback then Dak. I'm sure glad the Eagles weren't able to do that, and that upgrading your QB is always impossible. No team has ever done that. By saying a remark like that, you've proven yourself unworthy of any conversation with me. Just block me. I have a limited tolerance for absurdity. Someone is bugging me, claiming that the Earth is flat and that Bigfoot is real. Gonna have to get rid of them as well. Go away.
 

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Rankings here

Not a bad shot at it. But Hurts at #3? Really?

1) Patrick Mahomes
2) Joe Burrow
3) Jalen Hurts
4) Josh Allen
5) Justin Herbert
6) Aaron Rodgers
7) Lamar Jackson
8) Trevor Lawrence
9) Dak Prescott
10) Deshaun Watson
11) Kirk Cousins
12) Brock Purdy
13) Jared Goff
14) Geno Smith
15) Daniel Jones
16) Justin Fields
17) Tua Tagovailoa
18) Matthew Stafford
19) Russell Wilson
20) Kyler Murray
21) Bryce Young
22) Derek Carr
23) Jimmy Garoppolo
24) Jordan Love
25) Ryan Tannehill
26) Anthony Richardson
27) C.J. Stroud
28) Kenny Pickett
29) Mac Jones
30) Baker Mayfield
31) Desmond Ridder
32) Sam Howell
Think you could rearrange 3-5 anyway you want. Personally I think it’s Herbert, Allen, Hurts.
Herbert has been let down by his D
Allen is great but tries to do too much at times and it hurts his team
Hurts needs to build on last season.

Putting rookies anywhere besides the bottom is dumb, they’ve done nothing.
 
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