Chris Long Rumors

[jjktkk]

That is what they call 'cutting off the nose to spite the face'

Hardy is perfect for this team
He can play WDE when Gregory is suspended
He can play DT on Nickel downs
He will be cheap for 8-12 sacks
We took the PR hit for nothing if we let him walk

It is fast approaching 2 years since his incident. He has not been in any trouble since, if he ever was.
Late for meetings is a fine-able type offense, not a firing.

Nkemdiche. Bosa, Spence are all drug problems.

For all the unwanted media scrutiny Hardy received, and will receive, he's not worth it imo. So so production, attitude problems, coming across as a genuine jerk, no thanks

 

[stilltheguru88]

In that vein, sign Hardy back.

If you can't deal with him in the locker room, that is as much a team problem as anything else. Your coach should be able to handle it.

I can tell you right now, they are going to be hard pressed to find another DE in this draft to equal his level of disruption from last season.

That is just a simple fact. Rookie DEs take time.

We have been reminded of that in Lawrence's case multiple times, right?

And I regret commenting on Hardy as I am sure it will spawn a bunch of nonsense, but this is just an example of my thoughts at the moment.

Garrett cant handle guys who dont follow his script.

 

[stilltheguru88]

For all the unwanted media scrutiny Hardy received, and will receive, he's not worth it imo. So so production, attitude problems, coming across as a genuine jerk, no thanks

Haley was less of a jerk?

 

[Jarv]

I like David Irving as a strong side DE (This makes so much sense to me) with Lawrence moving to the weak side, which he was actually drafted for. With Crawford coming off of his injury I'm looking for a bigger season from him and playing alongside Cedric Thornton, a proven run stuffer who takes on double teams. J. Crawford and Terrell McClain backing up the tackle spots, that leaves us with a couple of DEs to figure out... Obviously Gregory is one of them that we would all love to see flourish, but one puff away from being gone for the year and already missing 4 games. We still have McAdoo, Boatright and Russell on the roster, are they the answer? I can see us adding a difference maker either in FA or draft. If we pickup Long or another mid-tier FA, I don't see us getting Bosa, but instead go safety (starting LBs are okay, maybe a later draft pick for depth). I really think that Crawford's injury early in the year affected our DLine more than people think. Crawford is the Sapp of this defense and played nearly the whole season with 1 arm. With Hayden gone, this defense really loses it's weak link. This is a deep draft for DL, we could pick up a few with our extra picks later on to see if we strike gold elsewhere.

Tha's why I think we need to address the safety position instead. Two years ago our defensive coaches stated we really play a defense that is very similar to the Seattle defense, which is really predicated by the safety play, which face it, ours sucked last year. Darian Thompson or Jeremy Cash could be selected in the 2nd round as a SS to compliment Jones at FS.

This leaves our #1 pick free for BPA, whether it be QB, RB, trade down or any "special" player Clay thinks might pop. Heck, with a trade down we could pick up a WR/RB combo and still help out the defense by making the moves I expressed earlier.

If we were really building on next year and not thinking superbowl this year, I could see us trading the pick to a team for their next years 1, 2 and a 4th maybe.

Lot's of options.

 

[jjktkk]

Haley was less of a jerk?

No Haley was a jerk, but Haley wasn't convicted of domestic violence, and Haley also produced. Add in the fact that those 90 Cowboy's teams had a strong locker room that could handle a personality like Haley and its apples and oranges imo.

 

[Aven8]

I would rather have Howie today at his age then his Son!

Long is walking wounded. I don't get why people don't get that?

 

[stilltheguru88]

No Haley was a jerk, but Haley wasn't convicted of domestic violence, and Haley also produced. Add in the fact that those 90 Cowboy's teams had a strong locker room that could handle a personality like Haley and its apples and oranges imo.

No Haley was a jerk, but Haley wasn't convicted of domestic violence, and Haley also produced. Add in the fact that those 90 Cowboy's teams had a strong locker room that could handle a personality like Haley and its apples and oranges imo.

Sounds like Garrett is the problem. Jimmy handled it

 

[Teague31]

No Haley was a jerk, but Haley wasn't convicted of domestic violence, and Haley also produced. Add in the fact that those 90 Cowboy's teams had a strong locker room that could handle a personality like Haley and its apples and oranges imo.

I certainly don't want to open this can of worms again so I won't post in this topic again but Hardy has not been convicted of anything. Doesn't make him a saint but legally his record his clean

 

[Bleu Star]

I know we won't resign Hardy, but this is a different year. Winning cures a lot of division. With a healthy Romo and Dez, we will win more. And Hardy would have less to complain about. I would resign him for cheap.

I'm admittedly torn about the guy because I can definitely see your point.

 

[hornitosmonster]

I certainly don't want to open this can of worms again so I won't post in this topic again but Hardy has not been convicted of anything. Doesn't make him a saint but legally his record his clean

by default, he paid off his accuser. No witness = no conviction. The NFL still held him accountable for his crime

 

[Irvin88_4life]

No Haley was a jerk, but Haley wasn't convicted of domestic violence, and Haley also produced. Add in the fact that those 90 Cowboy's teams had a strong locker room that could handle a personality like Haley and its apples and oranges imo.

Hardy wasn't convicted of domestic violence either

 

[Irvin88_4life]

by default, he paid off his accuser. No witness = no conviction. The NFL still held him accountable for his crime

Thats false. In domestic violence like that the state can and will take the case over even without said accuser.

 

[unionjack8]

Get hardy back. Ten times the player of long or any other DE out there right now.

 

[Nightman]

Chris Long wouldn't count against comp picks since he was waived. That is one more reason to consider him. He is the exact type of player BAL and NE signs.

 

[speedkilz88]

There was word from multiple sources that he was dividing the locker room last year. That's something we can't sweep under the rug. We should at least consider how it might have affected that locker room and how it could "potentially" counteract what we want to see on that defense which is togetherness & progress.

It was one source, the guy that Hardy sent to the bench. Sean Lee dismissed it.

 

[Swanny]

No Haley was a jerk, but Haley wasn't convicted of domestic violence, and Haley also produced. Add in the fact that those 90 Cowboy's teams had a strong locker room that could handle a personality like Haley and its apples and oranges imo.

Haley was 100 times worse than Greg Hardy. But production covers up the warts. Haley was a machine. Hardy was good last season and I loved the signing but I would not re-sign him because he is just not good enough to cover up for the warts he has.

 

[Sydla]

Thats false. In domestic violence like that the state can and will take the case over even without said accuser.

But I think it a lot of cases if the victim doesn't want any part of the trial, the prosecution knows it's almost impossible to win.

 

[hutch1254]

It would be cool if we could just get players who don't have off the field issues. That would save threads from filling up with arguments over what is ok or acceptable or "what I'll put up with" to have the talent on the field.

Players who don't have off the field issues are far and few between now apparently so I guess these arguments will be something we all have to adapt to going forward. Do I take the abuser or the dope smoker with multiple offenses? Which one gets me the least amount of games lost to suspension?

Gee that sucks.

 

[Nightman]

It would be cool if we could just get players who don't have off the field issues. That would save threads from filling up with arguments over what is ok or acceptable or "what I'll put up with" to have the talent on the field.

Players who don't have off the field issues are far and few between now apparently so I guess these arguments will be something we all have to adapt to going forward. Do I take the abuser or the dope smoker with multiple offenses? Which one gets me the least amount of games lost to suspension?

Gee that sucks.

I don't think that is possible.

Bosa, Nkemdiche and Spence are just a few of the top guys that are coming into the league with baggage.

Hardy became the punching bag after RRice went away but he doesn't deserve half the vitriol he has recieved. Too many people see an easy target and have piled on.

 

[ErikWilliamsHeadSlap]

I wont be upset if they resign Hardy but I am not sure he is worth the agitation. Although i would imagine he will be closer to the player we expected this season.