Claiborne Believes He'll Be Ready For Start of TC

[Doomsday101]

Yeah, but a whose playing time expense? Carr and his salary demands PT. Jones status as a 1st rounder demands PT. Scandrick being the team's best CB demands PT. Even a guy like Patmon who made a bunch of plays in a litmited role last year demands PT. Claiborne would've to do a 180 as far as practice time to demand playing time. He's salary is guaranteed so there's no point in cutting him. At the same time there's no pressure on the team on playing him with all the other options at hand.

I don't think money will determine the play, if Carr is playing poorly how does what he makes justifies playing time? Heck he could be better on the bench that blowing coverage on the field. As for Patmon again if Claiborne is playing better then he should play. It is about putting the best players on the field. Not saying Claiborne will or won't prove to be one of the best ones he has done nothing to show that but if this is all about winning which I think it is then the best guys will be out on the field.

 

[Idgit]

I don't think CB is set outside of Scandrick at this stage. Even Jones is a guy whom Dallas may choose to play FS. Not saying Claiborne will come out playing at a high level since he has yet to show that but I do think he can work his way back to the starting lineup if he does show himself to be one of the better CB on the team

Even Scandrick they're reportedly going to move to the left side this season. Lots of upheaval. But we also have a lot of options back there.

 

[Doomsday101]

I was thinking less of his Wonderlic and more of the reports that he had a reading disability. I don't doubt his football IQ, but add up missing time in each training camp with a learning disability and a couple of significant changes in the playbook, and it's not a great situation for him. Especially when he's needing to add strength, anyway, and struggling with confidence issues for maybe the first time in his football life.

It doesn't really matter, all of that comes with the dinner in the NFL, so he's got to overcome it, or fail out of the league. I just tend to pull for guys who are hard workers when I think the reasons for them failing have to do with physical or mental shortcomings rather than with effort.

I think a lot has to do with lost confidence and injuries more than anything else. I think when it comes to intelligence and being able to understand X's and O's he is more than capable.

 

[silver]

I don't think money will determine the play, if Carr is playing poorly how does what he makes justifies playing time? Heck he could be better on the bench that blowing coverage on the field. As for Patmon again if Claiborne is playing better then he should play. It is about putting the best players on the field. Not saying Claiborne will or won't prove to be one of the best ones he has done nothing to show that but if this is all about winning which I think it is then the best guys will be out on the field.

You make valid points but there are a bunch of if's in your response. I just find it hart to picture Mo coming back better than he was, say in 2013. That knee injury is the hardest to come back from and he was having issues prior to that.

 

[Doomsday101]

Even Scandrick they're reportedly going to move to the left side this season. Lots of upheaval. But we also have a lot of options back there.

True, I think Dallas will look at everything they have and try to determine the best fit with the players we have. I don't think money will protect Carr, I think Carr must play well to save his starting job.

 

[Doomsday101]

You make valid points but there are a bunch of if's in your response. I just find it hart to picture Mo coming back better than he was, say in 2013. That knee injury is the hardest to come back from and he was having issues prior to that.

No doubt there are a bunch of if's I'm only giving my opinion that Dallas will attempt to put the best guys out on the field in the secondary including Mo if he shows himself to be that. That is the big IF in my view. No reason to think right now Mo will come out and play to the level or close to the level the Cowboys expected of him but should that happen I can see Mo starting.

 

[Primetime42]

I think too much is made of his wonderlic score, No doubt he is not going to be a Doctor or rocket scientist but he has been playing football most of his life and at a very high level in college SEC conference I think he has a grasp of the CB position. I think he came out and has had difficulty adjusting to the pro game and setbacks with injuries but in terms of his IQ, I don't see that as an issue.
There have been and are many who are as dumb as rocks but when it comes to playing sports they do have a grasp of what is going on

It's not about the wonderlic score (which he admittedly didn't even bother with). There's a legitimate learning disability there.

 

[Idgit]

I think a lot has to do with lost confidence and injuries more than anything else. I think when it comes to intelligence and being able to understand X's and O's he is more than capable.

Hard to say what it is. He definitely has some problems. The fact that he plays well in man now that he's bulked up enough to not get pushed off the line by bigger WRs makes me think that his issues are more in diagnosing things quickly with the ball in front of him, but that's just conjecture. I still think missing the time in camp each year has made things tougher on him, though. Whether that's through his confidence or his comprehension of expectations or a little of both. In man coverage, though, he's show signs of being a fairly decent CB. He and Patmon are both too handsy, but I prefer that to the other alternative, I guess.

 

[Doomsday101]

It's not about the wonderlic score (which he admittedly didn't even bother with). There's a legitimate learning disability there.

and Dexter Manly had one as well but they knew football like the back of their hand. If is not that complicated there are only so many coverage’s that you will run in football. I don't think learning has anything to do with Claiborne I think he faltered under the pressure of being a high #1 pick and lost his confidence as well as running into injury problems.

 

[Doomsday101]

Hard to say what it is. He definitely has some problems. The fact that he plays well in man now that he's bulked up enough to not get pushed off the line by bigger WRs makes me think that his issues are more in diagnosing things quickly with the ball in front of him, but that's just conjecture. I still think missing the time in camp each year has made things tougher on him, though. Whether that's through his confidence or his comprehension of expectations or a little of both. In man coverage, though, he's show signs of being a fairly decent CB. He and Patmon are both too handsy, but I prefer that to the other alternative, I guess.

No doubt missing time hurts players especially ones who are lacking confidence, I have no doubt Mo has questioned himself as much as fans have questioned him.

 

[mugsybows]

If he can stay healthy and just become an average NFL quality CB, that would be a big plus.

i would love nothing more than for this to happen. especially since i thought he was our next deion and on draft day i was so happy i ran into my house screaming and jumped in the pool in excitement. how disappointing so far. im pulling for him.wont be surprised tho if this year he has a baller season and its of course in a contract year.

 

[Primetime42]

and Dexter Manly had one as well but they knew football like the back of their hand. If is not that complicated there are only so many coverage’s that you will run in football. I don't think learning has anything to do with Claiborne I think he faltered under the pressure of being a high #1 pick and lost his confidence as well as running into injury problems.

His learning issues also translate on the football field. It's not just classroom stuff. I don't know what else to tell you.

I like the kid, I want him to succeed (hell, I went crazy when they selected him - was completely on board with the "best defender in the draft" narrative). But he has a learning issue and the beating he takes from Dez Bryant day-in, day-out does nothing to help his confidence.

There's so much more to playing CB in the NFL than just knowing what coverage you're in.

 

[Doomsday101]

His learning issues also translate on the football field. It's not just classroom stuff. I don't know what else to tell you.

I like the kid, I want him to succeed (hell, I went crazy when they selected him - was completely on board with the "best defender in the draft" narrative). But he has a learning issue and the beating he takes from Dez Bryant day-in, day-out does nothing to help his confidence.

There's so much more to playing CB in the NFL than just knowing what coverage you're in.

That is your opinion, I don't think he played at LSU was the highest ranked CB in the nation because he does not understand how to play the game or lacks understanding. Most of these guys including Mo have been playing this game since they were kids they do understand what is going on.


It was then revealed he has a learning disability. Miles said that certainly had something to do with the low score, and added Claiborne may not have taken the test seriously and hurried through it. Miles said Claiborne’s intelligence was never an issue at LSU.
“When it gets to being on the field, he understands anything as naturally, comfortably as anybody we’ve had,” Miles said. “When it comes to the first quarter through the fourth, he’s everything you want.
“We had no problem teaching him the defense and he did well academically, too. His understanding of what he needs to do in football is pretty strong.”

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/...orris-claiborne-is-the-consummate-cornerback/

 

[TwoCentPlain]

It doesn't matter what Claiborne's problems are anymore. The health excuse isn't cutting it anymore. The low wonderlic score doesn't even matter anymore. The can't play zone excuse is old and irrelevant. Claiborne is being paid good money to be a CB in the NFL and he is not delivering. At some point in people's careers it is just time to say enough. Either you produce or you are gone.

Message #1 was sent when his option was noot picked up.
Message #2 should be that he is number 6 on the CB depth chart and needs to show something in camp to make the team.

 

[Primetime42]

That is your opinion, I don't think he played at LSU was the highest ranked CB in the nation because he does not understand how to play the game or lacks understanding. Most of these guys including Mo have been playing this game since they were kids they do understand what is going on.


It was then revealed he has a learning disability. Miles said that certainly had something to do with the low score, and added Claiborne may not have taken the test seriously and hurried through it. Miles said Claiborne’s intelligence was never an issue at LSU.
“When it gets to being on the field, he understands anything as naturally, comfortably as anybody we’ve had,” Miles said. “When it comes to the first quarter through the fourth, he’s everything you want.
“We had no problem teaching him the defense and he did well academically, too. His understanding of what he needs to do in football is pretty strong.”

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/...orris-claiborne-is-the-consummate-cornerback/

It's not my opinion. And I already addressed that the Wonderlic has little to do with it.

 

[Doomsday101]

It's not my opinion. And I already addressed that the Wonderlic has little to do with it.

Yes it is your opinion that his learning disability has anything to do with his play. Coaches who worked with him and know him seem to have a different view about his ability to pick up and understand what he is being taught on a football field.

 

[Primetime42]

Yes it is your opinion that his learning disability has anything to do with his play. Coaches who worked with him and know him seem to have a different view about his ability to pick up and understand what he is being taught on a football field.

Yes, his COLLEGE coach. Unfortunately, Nick Saban is not the only one to have worked with him and know him. What they had him do at LSU is completely different than what they're trying to have him do now. It's taken him a little bit longer to get there.

Once again, NOT my opinion.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yes, his COLLEGE coach. Unfortunately, Nick Saban is not the only one to have worked with him and know him. What they had him do at LSU is completely different than what they're trying to have him do now. It's taken him a little bit longer to get there.

Once again, NOT my opinion.

Sorry did not know you knew Claiborne and was an expert on this. What does Nick Saban have to do with anything Less Miles was his HC and it is not that complicated to play football and his ability to learn has nothing to do with it that portion is your opinion

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Claiborne was misquoted. What he really said and Machota failed to add...

"Morris Claiborne (knee) said today that he feels good and believes he'll be ready to practice at the start of training camp so he can hurt himself and miss the rest of it."

 

[Arkyvarminter]

Claiborne could very easily come out and do well this year. As for his Freakish Athleticism, I have never seen it.........