Twitter: Colin: Gap between Dak and Dalton is not massive

[Swagger]

The sad point is that there will be a load of Dakers out there hoping the Cowboys do not make the play offs as it would decrease his importance to the team and make him even less likely to receive another contract.

Imagine rooting against your own team to make the play offs in the last regular season game. Really sad state of affairs.

Whereas as a Dallas Cowboy fan I'm fully behind Andy and the boys.

 

[Havic]

Passing yards is not overrated. It helps determine a QBs passing abilities.

It depends when they are gained. A good chunk of his yards came in garbage time when the other team already won the game with the exception of Atlanta which we were incredibly lucky on.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Anybody know where last years(Winston) passing yards leader ended up and how big of a contract he got?
Not too good ....right DaksCowboy?

P.S.Change your name here to the above simply more suitable for you!

Change your name to WinceLover. More suitable for you!

 

[America's Cowboy]

It depends when they are gained. A good chunk of his yards came in garbage time when the other team already won the game with the exception of Atlanta which we were incredibly lucky on.

No, they didn't. Most of Dak's passing yards came between the 2nd and 3rd quarters. This was verified several months ago.

 

[Havic]

No, they didn't. Most of Dak's passing yards came between the 2nd and 3rd quarters. This was verified several months ago.

And we were already down big in those games lol.

 

[Nav22]

DURRRRR DO DA 10 TAKEAWAYS IN DA LAST 3 GAMEZ HELP DA TEAM WIN!?!?!?

NO DURRRR IT’S ALL DA DALTON BEING BETTA DEN DAK DURRRRRRRRR



Some of the dumbest people on the planet watch football. It’s been confirmed.

 

[OmerV]

Which teams did he do that to? How many of those games did he win?

I said it was an average, but that 32 ppg average was built on scoring 31 or more points in 4 of his 5 starts. Conversely, in 4 out of Dak's 5 starts the defense gave up 34 points or more.

As for winning, I wasn't aware Dak was supposed to be responsible for the defense. All a QB can do is work within his offense to score points, which Dak did very successfully. He can't control a defense that gave up 36 points per game.

Winning came not because of the QB change, but because of the defense stepping up, controlling the score better, and actually getting turnovers. The defense got 3 total turnovers in Dak's 5 games, and has gotten 18 turnovers in the l0 games since.

 

[khiladi]

Dak was on pace to pass for almost 6,800 yards while shattering Peyton Manning's NFL season record (5,400) by almost 1,400 passing yards...

...but Andy Dalton is just as good as Dak?

And, even if we assume that was true, still wouldn’t have thrown anywhere close to 55 TDs. That’s a pretty impressive track record of meaningless yards.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

they were discussing it on PFT

umm theres plenty of very young qbs that played well of late how about Daks rookie year LOL


Mahomes
Murray
Herbert
burrows before he got hurt
Tuas had few good moments

look at recent Sbs RW on his rookie deal went twice did he not?

older one eli on his rookie deal?

that just few there are many we see younger qbs step up with the rights coaches and talent around him

I said rumors, its being discussed and i can see validity in the premise..Most qbs are not worth the deals they are getting

cousins , carr , Garoppolo goff, wentz just to name few etc etc all so overpaid for the return..we arent talking 15mil like a rb gets we are talking 38mil+ like Watson got, wow that was worth it LOL

building total Teams through the cap not just 20% toward a QB that rarely pay off..

at some point markets turn down after they peak, i see them peaking now and owners will start saying no because of the available vets coming in cheaper..

Mahomes is the only one right now who is playing great.

Herbert and Murray have potential,but in terms of pure play, they leave a lot to be desired...same with Burrows and Tua....lets not count the chickens before all the eggs have hatched. there is a difference between actually being good and having potential to be good.

and I don't disagree on Cousins, Carr, Garappolo (post injury), Goff, Wentz, (two of whom went took their teams to superbowl). I would add Wilson, since its him that keeps their team competitive and in the playoffs....their defense sucks.

lets just assume $35 average (since Jerry started at 32, Dak countered with 40 and based on rumors it was about $35 average, with 5th year being in contention) and the cap will go back up to what it was after covid craap. current cap is 200, and if 2021 wasn't impacted by covid, it would have been around 210ish and 2022 around 220-225 based on how much the cap has gone up over the past few years..and contracts get reworked and extended....

and what about the QBs you names above...Murray, Herbert, Burrows...should they become top 10 QBs, then should their teams move on from them? unfortunatley its a QB driven league. they get over paid and over drafted.

I don't expect the NFL market to turn down. NBA hasn't. MLB hasn't.....and with expectations of a rise in TV money and expectations that cap will go up by 20-25% in 2024, the price will only go up......

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I have just pointed out statistics whereas you have blamed coaching, the defense, the ball boy, the grounds crew, and God himself for why your precious Dak struggled yet then try and gloat about Dak victories back in 2018.....yet I thought victories were a team effort so then how do you blame Dalton for losses and belittle his victories against teams with losing records? Those are the only teams Dak has been beating so not sure why even bring that up.

false statistics....without context. I have pointed to facts...it may not have numbers next to it...but they are facts...

let me ask you slick...how many superbowls would Brady have won with Garrett as his coach?

How many games would Dalton have won, if the defense gave up 36 points and didn't get turnovers?

btw, I used your measuring stick...you said Dak can't beat teams with a winning record. I bring up the same thing about Dalton and now you complain about me using a different measuring stick? what gives...I am using your standards....

one thing that is a fact...with dalton when we play teams that are average (more than 4 wins) we get blown out (with one exception).....with Dak we have a chance in the last few minutes of the game... which do you prefer? be competitive? or get blown out? how many 4-11 teams do you suppose we will play next year?

facts my friend. facts.

 

[khiladi]

Andy Dalton hasn’t been turning the ball over to opposing defenses, while Dak was. Part of the reason opposing defenses got takeaways is because Dak stares down WRs and throws behind WRs and fumbles the ball, because he holds onto to it way too long. The Cowboys under Dak had the largest turnover differential in the league. So Dak contributed to the opposing defenses turnovers. These guys weren’t doing flips to catch Dak’s bad throws and reads. The Browns did drop plenty though that were right in their hands.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You sure about that? I usually dont agree with Colin but cant argue with the facts.

perhaps we can argue until the cows come home...the first 4 years of Dalton's career....different circumstance...different era perhaps, etc....

he is not in his 5th year in the league...so what Colin did, slickly is make an assertion that today's version of Dalton is as good as Dak...which is not the truth. this Dalton is not the same Dalton as when he came in the league. that's painfully obvious. his old team moved on from him. if he was any good, close to being Dak, cinci wouldn't have moved on....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dak had Zack Martin, what are you talking about? He also had Smith some of the time, and wasn't entirely dependent on 3rd/4th/5th tackles.

And yes, a decent chunk of that was garbage time against defenses that were giving up tons of yards and points to everyone to start the season.

The only competent defenses Dak faced the team struggled to put up 20 on the Rams, and his numbers weren't good in the segment he did play against the Giants. Easily worse than Dalton's in that same game.

He didn't face anything close to the Washington defense.

so in your opinion, being within a score with 3 minutes to go, is equal to having produced garbage yards!!!! hmmm, interesting concept.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Agreed. Personally I think Dak is around the 9-12 range.

I would be interested in your list...just out of curiosity...understing that its your opinion

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Anybody know where last years(Winston) passing yards leader ended up and how big of a contract he got?
Not too good ....right DaksCowboy?

P.S.Change your name here to the above simply more suitable for you!

see you just want to take a single item and make a case...perhaps your mind is limited and can't think in multiple items.....he also had how many interceptions?

 

[khiladi]

Dak has zero comebacks from down half-time last year. Dude has been awful when down by seven in the fourth quarter this year. He’s below league average when needing a TD to score in the last four minutes. This idea he’s making games competitive, instead of simply padding stats in garbage time is a joke. He doesn’t win.

2016 is an outlier, but that was because he was a game manager, while Zeke and the OL wore down the opposing defense by the fourth. The only reason Dak won his first play off game is because Linehan knee to run the ball. Zeke ran like six times on the last drive and Dak’s QB draw called by Linehan had a wide open hole where Collins ran to the second level, the first guy he actually made contact with was the safety I believe. Dak didn’t even complete a pass of I remember correctly and got bailed out by a call on one throw to keep the drive alive.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You realize Dandy was 1-4 heading into Cincinnati? Then the Cowboys defense started forcing turnovers by the boatload! You forgot that!

He just knows how to win! Where was that winning vs the Commanders? Where was the red headed Wondah vs the Ravens? Putting up garbage yards late in the game! He just know how to win

Just not against the Cardinals, Redskns, Ravens

Triple D know how to win...against 4-11 teams...with their back up QBs....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The sad point is that there will be a load of Dakers out there hoping the Cowboys do not make the play offs as it would decrease his importance to the team and make him even less likely to receive another contract.

Imagine rooting against your own team to make the play offs in the last regular season game. Really sad state of affairs.

Whereas as a Dallas Cowboy fan I'm fully behind Andy and the boys.

it doesn't matter if we make the playoffs...we are going to get blown out, based on evidence this year and how Dalton has played....the last three games are fools gold. and its causing a fools gold rush for many Dak detractors....

I root for my team. I am also a realist...I know this team sucks.....so saying it sucks doesn't make me a fan that roots against his team....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dak has zero comebacks from down half-time last year. Dude has been awful when down by seven in the fourth quarter this year. He’s below league average when needing a TD to score in the last four minutes. This idea he’s making games competitive, instead of simply padding stats in garbage time is a joke. He doesn’t win.

2016 is an outlier, but that was because he was a game manager, while Zeke and the OL wore down the opposing defense by the fourth. The only reason Dak won his first play off game is because Linehan knee to run the ball. Zeke ran like six times on the last drive and Dak’s QB draw called by Linehan had a wide open hole where Collins ran to the second level, the first guy he actually made contact with was the safety I believe.

man, you should look at his stats, from 5:15 of the second quarter, to 1:32 mark of the third quarter, in games that are played on grass, at 4:00 start time PM in stadiums that are north of mississipi, in games played in october and november and last week of december....it will blow you mind how bad it is.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Andy Dalton hasn’t been turning the ball over to opposing defenses, while Dak was. Part of the reason opposing defenses got takeaways is because Dak stares down WRs and throws behind WRs and fumbles the ball, because he holds onto to it way too long. The Cowboys under Dak had the largest turnover differential in the league. So Dak contributed to the opposing defenses turnovers. These guys weren’t doing flips to catch Dak’s bad throws and reads. The Browns did drop plenty though that were right in their hands.

Dalton has 7 interceptions.... his output against average teams has been 16,3, 10, 17....half of which came in garbage time....

the only reason Dalton has been winning is the defense getting turnovers for him...9 to be exact...and defense scoring and special teams scoring...

Dak had 4 Interceptions...2 of them came in the last few seconds of the game in hail mary passes..

can I ask you a question?

what color is the sky in your world?