Twitter: Colin: Gap between Dak and Dalton is not massive

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I agree that if the Cowboys don't get Prescott signed to a long term deal before free agency starts next season that they will tag him but that does not automatically mean that Prescott will play on that tag offer. The Cowboys tagged Lawrence a second time and then a short time later signed him to a long term contract. Now if Prescott does end up playing on the tag next season how he plays and the Cowboys play will have an effect on how they approach Prescott after next season. If Prescott and the Cowboys do really well and get to say the NFC championship game then the would be one thing but if the Cowboys only get to the wildcard game or not make the playoffs but most of the sporting world places the blame for the Cowboys failure on the defense, that would be another thing. Now if Prescott doesn't agree to a long term contract before free agency starts then the Cowboys should use the non-exclusive franchise tag so the Cowboys and Prescott see what his actual value is and if Prescott submits a contract offer from another team to the Cowboys they can either match that or they will get 2 first round picks from that team.
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Prescott signed his franchise tender quickly last year. Perhaps he reevaluates because of injury but then again if the injury is that bad he probably signs it anyway.

You only give the nonexclusive to a QB if you do not intend to keep him. That is not going to happen.

Do you not remember 2000-2005 when we last were searching for a QB?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So now we making up stats like “straight drop back” while completely ignoring the fact that this completely distorts the fact that these aren’t traditional drop backs, even though per this definition these would be included, which Dak uses pretty much bottom in the league severely limiting the offense? We suppose to cheer on the fact he’s ‘dropping back’ from shotgun in these plays?

What do these clips prove, other than he has all the time in the world from his blocking up front with wide-open WRs and he’s making some passes against teams like GB which he threw 3 INTs against and scored pretty much in garbage time...

So what is the issue with it being your version of dropback and shotgun? The point here is to bias out playaction which by design makes it easier for QBs to read a defense.

The clip was to give examples of what they were talking about with the data set.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

New England would sign Prescott in a heartbeat given a chance.

 

[zerofill]

Dude is still on crutches, may not even be a discussion.

 

[zerofill]

I am not pushing for or against either quarterback, but I do want to point out that video cover image compares their first four seasons.

However, that's not the Andy Dalton of today.

I would like to see a comparison of Dalton's stats the last 4 years compared to Dak's last 4 years as that would be a way more relevant comparison for their worth.

I don't know... the team the last 4 years he was in Cincy, and Dallas... were worlds apart overall.

 

[Reality]

I don't know... the team the last 4 years he was in Cincy, and Dallas... were worlds apart overall.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/col...n-is-not-massive.471339/page-21#post-10710412

 

[Qcard]

Maybe they would..

But if the organization still has the same mentality that they did with Cousins than they wouldn’t sign Dak.

That regime is gone. Dan Synder is facing a coup from minority ownership. He’s being sued.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Is your comprehension SO LIMITED?!?!?.....These were a sample size (20 passes = 90 sec Twitter clip) of some of the drop back passes without play action or screen pass.

Dak completed many more accurate passes from the pocket but true accuracy amongst QBs is revealed when there is no play action or screen which requires reading defense and precise route running. Dak completes those passes at a 70.1% rate....that is accurate and precise by NFL standards..

Your Eye Test fails the truth test

There’s no proof from your cheesedick example that he threw more than 20 “drop back passes”. The stupid stat is totally misleading. Keep trying.

 

[ShaneFalco]

So now we making up stats like “straight drop back” while completely ignoring the fact that this completely distorts the fact that these aren’t traditional drop backs, even though per this definition these would be included, which Dak uses pretty much bottom in the league severely limiting the offense? We suppose to cheer on the fact he’s ‘dropping back’ from shotgun in these plays?

What do these clips prove, other than he has all the time in the world from his blocking up front with wide-open WRs and he’s making some passes against teams like GB which he threw 3 INTs against and scored pretty much in garbage time...[/QUOTE]


If you watch, he’s throwing on the run numerous times. It’s yet another lame attempt to try to drum up a lame “stat” to make him look half way competent.

 

[Qcard]

There’s no proof from your cheesedick example that he threw more than 20 “drop back passes”. The stupid stat is totally misleading. Keep trying.

There's no proof your cheese brain could understand

Bye Felicia

 

[gjkoeppen]

Prescott signed his franchise tender quickly last year. Perhaps he reevaluates because of injury but then again if the injury is that bad he probably signs it anyway.

You only give the nonexclusive to a QB if you do not intend to keep him. That is not going to happen.

Do you not remember 2000-2005 when we last were searching for a QB?

You are wrong. First it's only fans that have no first hand knowledge of Prescott's injury and rehab that try to use it as some big sticking point but the actual doctors and trainers have said not only will he be go to go next season but is ahead of schedule in his rehab. Next the reason why the Cowboys would use the non-exclusive tag for the third tag is if he does walk they get 2 first round picks, if he doesn't walk they still get their QB. The Cowboys really wouldn't want to have to use any tag for the third time because the tag amount would probably be more than what they would pay per year on a long term contract. Oh ya, if a team makes an offer on a player with the non-exclusive tag they have to be able to sign that contract without making any adjustments to their cap. This rule was put in just to keep teams from making offers for more than the original team offered just to make the original team pay more money. Oh yes I do remember 2000-2006 and when in 2003 they signed an UDFA named Tony Romo.. Also Prescott didn't sign his franchise tag that quickly. In fact it was over 3 months after it was offered before he signed it. It was offered March 16th and he didn't sign it until June 22nd. Neither one of us have any first hand knowledge of any of this but teams do learn from other teams mistakes. Washington refused to tag Cousins a third time so they let him walk. Cousins signed with the vikings for the same amount the WFT offered except the vikings guaranteed the entire contract that the WFT wouldn't do. The WFT lost their starting QB and got nothing for it except a 3rd round comp pick the following year.
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[Qcard]

So now we making up stats like “straight drop back” while completely ignoring the fact that this completely distorts the fact that these aren’t traditional drop backs, even though per this definition these would be included, which Dak uses pretty much bottom in the league severely limiting the offense? We suppose to cheer on the fact he’s ‘dropping back’ from shotgun in these plays?

What do these clips prove, other than he has all the time in the world from his blocking up front with wide-open WRs and he’s making some passes against teams like GB which he threw 3 INTs against and scored pretty much in garbage time...

Why do you only cherry pick the Green Bay Packers game?

Which one? This one?

If you watch, he’s throwing on the run numerous times. It’s yet another lame attempt to try to drum up a lame “stat” to make him look half way competent.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Why do you only cherry pick the Green Bay Packers game?

Which one? This one?

That’s not my quote.
Oh and Tim Tebow won a playoff game too, son.
LOL

 

[gjkoeppen]

So now we making up stats like “straight drop back” while completely ignoring the fact that this completely distorts the fact that these aren’t traditional drop backs, even though per this definition these would be included, which Dak uses pretty much bottom in the league severely limiting the offense? We suppose to cheer on the fact he’s ‘dropping back’ from shotgun in these plays?

What do these clips prove, other than he has all the time in the world from his blocking up front with wide-open WRs and he’s making some passes against teams like GB which he threw 3 INTs against and scored pretty much in garbage time...

If you watch, he’s throwing on the run numerous times. It’s yet another lame attempt to try to drum up a lame “stat” to make him look half way competent.[/QUOTE]




Those that are not Prescott fans, otherwise known as Prescott haters, often use the term garbage time. Now there is someone who has many years of NFL experience with the Cowboys and this is what he has said about those that use the term garbage time. I'm paraphrasing, when a team is losing and the QB is doing whatever he can to comeback and win the game it's that, trying to win the game. He said garbage time is when a team is ahead and the losing team pulls some starters and the winning team continues to run up the score, that's garbage time. I want a QB that tries to win the game until the final second has ticked off.
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[Qcard]

That’s not my quote.

My Bad

Oh and Tim Tebow won a playoff game too, son.
LOL

Oh Wow Dad....how come Andy Dalton hasn't won a playoff game too?

 

[gjkoeppen]

That’s not my quote.
Oh and Tim Tebow won a playoff game too, son.
LOL

Are you actually trying to equate a QB and I use that term loosely, who lasted all of 5 years in the NFL and has a total in passing yards of 2422 yards for those 5 years to Prescott?
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[mardwin]

Who’s going to pay Tag Russell Wilson money?

Some ppl on this board would.

 

[mardwin]

New England would sign Prescott in a heartbeat given a chance.

I would trade him to NE in a heartbeat as well. 1st + 2nd should do it.

 

[mardwin]

Dalton is a decent QB if you give him a defense and healthy OL.
I do wonder what his market will be like in FA, north or south of 20mil/yr?

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I see him somewhere between $15M - $18M; hia age is going to be an issue for a lot of teams. Dalton is turning 34 next year, whoever is paying will most likely get no more than 3 yrs.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Like I keep saying, the tears are going to be so delicious when Dak is franchised