Twitter: Colin: Gap between Dak and Dalton is not massive

[ShaneFalco]

Dak Haters are not truthful or factual

20 WHOLE PASSES?!?!? On the season. He managed to complete just 20 “drop back” passes from the pocket and completed them. You've got really low expectations.

 

[triplets_93]

I love it..

Some forward thinking.

My only problem is sticking with Dalton.

I’d rather roll the dice in the draft.

I'm for sticking with Dalton as the backup QB to the QB we get in place of Dak.
Dak is not the future of the Cowboys the way I see it.

 

[CATCH17]

I'm for sticking with Dalton as the backup QB to the QB we get in place of Dak.
Dak is not the future of the Cowboys the way I see it.

Jones’s will cave.. Just like the Zeke deal.

They give themselves no leverage in these negotiations.

 

[ShaneFalco]

They give themselves no leverage in these negotiations.[/QUOTE]

I dunno. The cap isn’t going up and they are already tight and they basically suck.
But yeah, Jer is an idiot with giving out elite contracts to average and just good players.

 

[CATCH17]

They give themselves no leverage in these negotiations.

I dunno. The cap isn’t going up and they are already tight and they basically suck.
But yeah, Jer is an idiot with giving out elite contracts to average and just good players.[/QUOTE]


If the Jones’s would just play hardball Dak would cave in a second.

I would be shocked if any other team pays him like we would..

Him having all these demands is crazy. Like seriously what have you done.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Prepare for completion percentage stats.

What do you propose to use to evaluate acccuracy? oh wait, its you and you aren't interested in real or the empirical. You just go by what you feel.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If the Jones’s would just play hardball Dak would cave in a second.

I would be shocked if any other team pays him like we would..

Him having all these demands is crazy. Like seriously what have you done.

They will franchise him because it is the only leverage the club has and if they do not he will get a massive deal in a competitive market.

All he has to do is sign it and play the season. Then they will have to either franchise him again or allow him unrestricted free agency.

The team in reality has no leverage when looking at real world possibilities.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

20 WHOLE PASSES?!?!? On the season. He managed to complete just 20 “drop back” passes from the pocket and completed them. You've got really low expectations.

Nice assertion. Not so nice proof. The tweet says "last season" and was posted in April.

 

[Qcard]

Nice assertion. Not so nice proof. The tweet says "last season" and was posted in April.

Reading is fundamental

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Okay...I apologize for the "fan" tangent. I was just in another thread...and it carried over to this. Thank you for refocusing me.

Hmmmm you respectfully asked what I think. Um...well....okay...

I think that yes...you have to boil things down "reduce". Sure. But my analogy does apply...if you are using "reduction"...as your point...you can't cherry pick the parameters. You HAVE to accept that you can over reduce.

I think there are VERY MANY factors in this type of thing and micro analytical analysis can get burdensome and obtuse. There's nothing particular wrong with it...you just have to give it a weighting factor. Not all micro stats are equal. We certainly do have to analyze each players performance. But the "skill positions"...the "franchise players"....Welll...they are called that because of why? MVP's? POTY's? Stat leaders?

I suppose so to some extent. But you can NOT deny there's also another stat. Are you a WINNER. Do you make major contributions to win. That can come in many forms...it can be elusive...not JUST reductional stats.

Michael Jordan had stats...that's true right? BUT...he was a winner. I know I know. Cowboy Lover what the he hockey sticks. I budded in on your conversation with someone else...and I just wanted to point out that he does have a a point. You want to "reduce" things. Reduce it to winning or losing. So far...we have been losers. The stat that matters...the ultimate reduction.

I don't agree that you can overreduce. You can oversimplify by not considering variables or the opposite. There are situations where two variables are not independent and need to be combined.

I do agree that different personality types are more conducive to success. High competitiveness for example but that translates to production on the field.

And by definition looking at wins and losses is not reducing relative to QB play. As I have pointed out if you reduce from wins you have to factor in the rest of the team, the opponent, and other variables. it's like saying you know what type of pistons an engine has and from that predict whether the car can out race another. We are arguing what size piston Dak is.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Reading is fundamental

What did I miss? I don't buy that he only had 20 drop back passes last season. I see nothing outside of assertion that was the case.

 

[Qcard]

20 WHOLE PASSES?!?!? On the season. He managed to complete just 20 “drop back” passes from the pocket and completed them. You've got really low expectations.

Is your comprehension SO LIMITED?!?!?.....These were a sample size (20 passes = 90 sec Twitter clip) of some of the drop back passes without play action or screen pass.

Dak completed many more accurate passes from the pocket but true accuracy amongst QBs is revealed when there is no play action or screen which requires reading defense and precise route running. Dak completes those passes at a 70.1% rate....that is accurate and precise by NFL standards..

Your Eye Test fails the truth test

 

[CATCH17]

They will franchise him because it is the only leverage the club has and if they do not he will get a massive deal in a competitive market.

All he has to do is sign it and play the season. Then they will have to either franchise him again or allow him unrestricted free agency.

The team in reality has no leverage when looking at real world possibilities.

Who would give him the massive deal?

Maybe Colts or Bears?

Would Washington?

 

[Qcard]

What did I miss? I don't buy that he only had 20 drop back passes last season. I see nothing outside of assertion that was the case.

Nothing missed sir! You are correct Dak had more drop back passes last season. This clip was just a sample size to estimate accuracy of passes without play action or screen... I was trolling @ShaneFalco

 

[gjkoeppen]

YOUR problem is...this is a FAN WEBSITE. We are SUPPSED to cheer them on. And yes....we certainly CAN critique their performances. Fans do that. They even get mad at them. But to take it personal; and go on SEASONS LONG CRUSADES to convince people to hate them as much as they do.../

No sir...not buying it. I DO accept people don't have the same view and opinions I have. You can't survive in this world without that...not sanely and healthy anyway,. I think some people AREN'T healthy/ They think they are so cool and worldly if they don't cheer on their team...with some enthusiasm and forgiveness. They have to tear down others to be happy? Their own "family" and team?

Not saying you have to praise them when it isn't earned. Not saying you have to love all players equally when you don't. But when you can't find it in yourself to give credit for even just one good game.....sick. Poison.

I don't give a dman what you say...that is NOT healthy. They are sick miserable people. Find a team you enjoy. Don't torment yourself and especially OTHER people being that way.

People leave their spouses and families for WAY less...just to find happiness. There's no shame in it. Get out and come back when the team is winning. Be happy.

Maybe just maybe if you read my post where I've said that to start making Dalton this QB to fear after having just ONE good game, hint I'm acknowledging he had a good game, but that doesn't change what I think about him. I've also been very vocal about not tanking just for a draft spot because I think fans should want their team to always win. Wanting the Cowboys to win, here's another hint for you, means I hope the players play well and that includes the players I don't especially like. There are few people on this website that are more vocal about cheering for the Cowboys than me, but that doesn't mean that I can't see that the Cowboys might be better off with other players playing. All this boils down to is because I have made it clear I don't like a player you like and you have a problem with that..
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[Qcard]

Who would give him the massive deal?

Maybe Colts or Bears?

Would Washington?

Ron Rivera wanted Amari Cooper.....

Washington Football team’s deal based on Dak and Coopers tape.

Dak will be a WFT QB1 if let to walk

 

[CATCH17]

Ron Rivera wanted Amari Cooper.....

Washington Football team’s deal based on Dak and Coopers tape.

Dak will be a WFT QB1 if let to walk

Maybe they would..

But if the organization still has the same mentality that they did with Cousins than they wouldn’t sign Dak.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Who would give him the massive deal?

Maybe Colts or Bears?

Would Washington?

Chargers, Colts, Bears, Minnesota, Detroit, Carolina, Cincinnati, New England, Jets, Denver, 49ers, and any other team that needs a QB.

It should be prima facie that QB talent is a scarcity in the NFL. It's why they're overdrafted almost every year.

 

[khiladi]

[/QUOTE]

Dak Haters are not truthful or factual

So now we making up stats like “straight drop back” while completely ignoring the fact that this completely distorts the fact that these aren’t traditional drop backs, even though per this definition these would be included, which Dak uses pretty much bottom in the league severely limiting the offense? We suppose to cheer on the fact he’s ‘dropping back’ from shotgun in these plays?

What do these clips prove, other than he has all the time in the world from his blocking up front with wide-open WRs and he’s making some passes against teams like GB which he threw 3 INTs against and scored pretty much in garbage time...

 

[gjkoeppen]

They will franchise him because it is the only leverage the club has and if they do not he will get a massive deal in a competitive market.

All he has to do is sign it and play the season. Then they will have to either franchise him again or allow him unrestricted free agency.

The team in reality has no leverage when looking at real world possibilities.

I agree that if the Cowboys don't get Prescott signed to a long term deal before free agency starts next season that they will tag him but that does not automatically mean that Prescott will play on that tag offer. The Cowboys tagged Lawrence a second time and then a short time later signed him to a long term contract. Now if Prescott does end up playing on the tag next season how he plays and the Cowboys play will have an effect on how they approach Prescott after next season. If Prescott and the Cowboys do really well and get to say the NFC championship game then the would be one thing but if the Cowboys only get to the wildcard game or not make the playoffs but most of the sporting world places the blame for the Cowboys failure on the defense, that would be another thing. Now if Prescott doesn't agree to a long term contract before free agency starts then the Cowboys should use the non-exclusive franchise tag so the Cowboys and Prescott see what his actual value is and if Prescott submits a contract offer from another team to the Cowboys they can either match that or they will get 2 first round picks from that team.
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