Could somebody explain to me why this team drafted a TE in the 2nd round?

[TwistedL0g1k]

Interesting article about this:

How Drafting TE Schoonmaker is hurting the Cowboys Now

 

[Chasing6]

Interesting article about this:

How Drafting TE Schoonmaker is hurting the Cowboys Now

It is almost unbelievable that the cowboys organization could not see this.

However it is a repeatable offense. They had no idea what Schultz was either and they gave a fairly big contract to someone in front of him that got hurt after Witten left.(forgot his name) Then they even brought Witten back out of retirement, when we clearly did not need him.

Dallas just needs to add some 2 TE passing offensive plays. I am sure we will make the same mistake with Schoonmaker, because we don't incorporate 2 TE's in vertical passing game, when we are clearly struggling at the WR position. I am sure this would improve our run game as well.

NE showed the blue print of how it worked.

You can't really play nickle in a double TE set or we can run the ball down their throat. If they come out with an extra lineman then move Schoon outside and let a CB or LB try to cover him.

This flexible formation with 2 legit TE's who can both stretch the field and block will cause massive problems for a lot of teams.

Assuming we fix the OLine and get a decent RB.

Should really not be that damn harmed to figure it out. If they decide to play nickel then shift to double tight and run the ball down their throat. If they want to go big with an extra lineman, then spread them out.

 

[Kingofholland]

I didn't love the pick, but understand why. Simply put they let their #1 TE walk and perhaps there were questions on if Ferg could be TE1 alone. They also value the blocking TE and likely felt Schoon provides a good opportunity to come in and atleast help there.

In looking back, most of the guys I wanted in thr 2nd round were flying off the board by the Cowboys pick and remember thinking beyond receiver there wasn't a lot of great options there and would have rather trade down.

 

[kskboys]

We could have got Darnell Washington in the 3rd round. Dude is like having a 3rd LT on the field.

He is, because he can't get open.

 

[kskboys]

I didn't love the pick, but understand why. Simply put they let their #1 TE walk and perhaps there were questions on if Ferg could be TE1 alone. They also value the blocking TE and likely felt Schoon provides a good opportunity to come in and atleast help there.

In looking back, most of the guys I wanted in thr 2nd round were flying off the board by the Cowboys pick and remember thinking beyond receiver there wasn't a lot of great options there and would have rather trade down.

Ummmmmmmmm......OG. Tyjae Spears. Charbonnet. Achane. Kobie Turner. Wanya Morris.

There were a ton of great options there.

 

[Chasing6]

He is, because he can't get open.

Had similar stats to Schoon last year and was a much better blocker.

 

[Kingofholland]

Ummmmmmmmm......OG. Tyjae Spears. Charbonnet. Achane. Kobie Turner. Wanya Morris.

There were a ton of great options there.

But that's part of the the point, most of these guys you mentioned were picked what 20 some picks later? Its not that there weren't some promising players still on the board, I'm just of the opinion I didn't like the value where we picked and much rather have traded down still got one of those guys and picked up an extra pick.

 

[kskboys]

Had similar stats to Schoon last year and was a much better blocker.

Maybe Spooner can't get open either!!!!

 

[kskboys]

But that's part of the the point, most of these guys you mentioned were picked what 20 some picks later? Its not that there weren't some promising players still on the board, I'm just of the opinion I didn't like the value where we picked and much rather have traded down still got one of those guys and picked up an extra pick.

Value is irrelevant if you get a quality starter who improves you team. That's a fan word, not a real drafting thing.

 

[Chasing6]

Maybe Spooner can't get open either!!!!

He had the dropsies.

 

[Kingofholland]

Value is irrelevant if you get a quality starter who improves you team. That's a fan word, not a real drafting thing.

Yes and we saw that with Frederick, but doesn't mean they aren't reaches. Some teams fall in love with certain players and just draft a player early because they don't want to miss out. Analysts and fans may rip it, but its all speculative until they hit the field. All I'm saying is I preferred the Cowboys traded down when I saw who was coming off the board in the 2nd as I thought there would be plenty of options in the 3rd with similar talent and could have picked up extra picks in the process.

Regardless the Cowboys felt Schoon was the right pick in that draft and nothing we say or do at this point really matters. Many weren't thrilled with the pick and time will tell if it pans out. As a fan I certainly hope I'm proven wrong that it was the right pick afterall.

 

[Chasing6]

Yes and we saw that with Frederick, but doesn't mean they aren't reaches. Some teams fall in love with certain players and just draft a player early because they don't want to miss out. Analysts and fans may rip it, but its all speculative until they hit the field. All I'm saying is I preferred the Cowboys traded down when I saw who was coming off the board in the 2nd as I thought there would be plenty of options in the 3rd with similar talent and could have picked up extra picks in the process.

Regardless the Cowboys felt Schoon was the right pick in that draft and nothing we say or do at this point really matters. Many weren't thrilled with the pick and time will tell if it pans out. As a fan I certainly hope I'm proven wrong that it was the right pick afterall.

O'Cyrus should have been the pick. Hopefully we figure out how to use 2 TE's in the passing game.

 

[4lifecowboy]

I think he will turn out to be a good TE. He started coming on towards the end of the season.

 

[Captain-Crash]

TE in the second isn't anything. I crying over a 4th round trade.

All the bust in the second round is a great place to gamble. smh

 

[McKDaddy]

But that's part of the the point, most of these guys you mentioned were picked what 20 some picks later? Its not that there weren't some promising players still on the board, I'm just of the opinion I didn't like the value where we picked and much rather have traded down still got one of those guys and picked up an extra pick.

OCT was sitting there and was the very next pick. That was BPA.

 

[kskboys]

It is almost unbelievable that the cowboys organization could not see this.

However it is a repeatable offense. They had no idea what Schultz was either and they gave a fairly big contract to someone in front of him that got hurt after Witten left.(forgot his name) Then they even brought Witten back out of retirement, when we clearly did not need him.

Dallas just needs to add some 2 TE passing offensive plays. I am sure we will make the same mistake with Schoonmaker, because we don't incorporate 2 TE's in vertical passing game, when we are clearly struggling at the WR position. I am sure this would improve our run game as well.

NE showed the blue print of how it worked.

You can't really play nickle in a double TE set or we can run the ball down their throat. If they come out with an extra lineman then move Schoon outside and let a CB or LB try to cover him.

This flexible formation with 2 legit TE's who can both stretch the field and block will cause massive problems for a lot of teams.

Assuming we fix the OLine and get a decent RB.

Should really not be that damn harmed to figure it out. If they decide to play nickel then shift to double tight and run the ball down their throat. If they want to go big with an extra lineman, then spread them out.

Yeah, except their 2nd TE was a 4.4 running receiving TE who was really a receiver. The 2 TE O only works w/ very specific personnel.

The bolded is some funny stuff. How many of those guys are there in the NFL? Like 5? You're asking for us to have two top 5 type TE's. How would you propose we get them? And since Fergie isn't a field stretcher, we'll need 2.

 

[kskboys]

Yes and we saw that with Frederick, but doesn't mean they aren't reaches. Some teams fall in love with certain players and just draft a player early because they don't want to miss out. Analysts and fans may rip it, but its all speculative until they hit the field. All I'm saying is I preferred the Cowboys traded down when I saw who was coming off the board in the 2nd as I thought there would be plenty of options in the 3rd with similar talent and could have picked up extra picks in the process.

Regardless the Cowboys felt Schoon was the right pick in that draft and nothing we say or do at this point really matters. Many weren't thrilled with the pick and time will tell if it pans out. As a fan I certainly hope I'm proven wrong that it was the right pick afterall.

I'm going to have to disagree on the term "reaches". Fredsy was not a reach. Any time you can get a player w/ a high floor who has a very good chance of starting, it is not a reach. This value stuff simply isn't realistic. Trading down isn't that easy and only works sometimes. Think Stephen Jackson.

 

[Loso86]

why this team drafted a tight end in the second round. That ruined the whole draft for me. Could have gotten a linebacker or an offensive lineman, positions of need. I just didn't get it. Please let me know your opinion on this.

Nobody Ferg would take that step...pretty obvious

 

[kskboys]

Nobody Ferg would take that step...pretty obvious

Yes we did. It was all over the boards at the time.

 

[kskboys]

I think he will turn out to be a good TE. He started coming on towards the end of the season.

And we lost because we couldn't stop the run and couldn't move the ball on O. He really helped there.