Cowboys could go Effiert @18

[Teague31]

Not a single OL circled? Sounds just like our front office!

 

[Primetime42]

Meh.

Focus on the trenches and maybe grab that Auburn kid on Day 3. He can handle blocking, route running and catching just fine for what his role will be.

 

[Echo9]

I would go BPA and take Eifert if we have a plan (a free agent or two) for the OLine

I would be pretty upset if we ended up taking Eifert and to me this is just the usual bit of misinformation that comes out every year at this time.

But to play devil's advocate... What if the draft played out where the following 17 players are taken and our pick is up:

Luke Joeckel OT
Eric Fisher OT
Star Lotulelei DT
Dee Milliner CB
Dion Jordan OLB
Sharrif Floyd DT
Ezekiel Ansah DE
Chance Warmack G
Jonathan Cooper OG
Lane Johnson OT
S. Richardson DT
Barkevious Mingo DE
Alec Ogletree ILB
Tavon Austin WR
D.J. Fluker OT
Kenny Vaccaro S
Sylvester Williams DT

At this point, I could just cry a little, then hope dallas found a partner to move back in the first and let them take Eifert, then at least hope we got something out of the extra pick we'd get.

 

[Hoofbite]

Who cares why they use it? They have been very successful with he formation, as we're we when we had a legit secon TE. Further, Eifert is more than a TE -- you can split him out wide or in the slot and create mismatch nightmares. People are being way too narrow minded about this draft.

What do you mean who cares?

If you have WRs, they get the majority of the looks. If you don't, then someone has to get the looks.

It makes sense to have a stud #2 TE if you don't have WRs but when you have the WRs all your stud #2 TE will do is take looks away from your WRs.

It's not like you can just expect another TE to add to all the numbers. Another pass catcher, be it TE or WR, is going to take some looks from Dez, Miles, and Witten.

Dallas has their pass catches. I don't like the idea of drafting Austin at #18 because of that but given the choice between Austin and a #2 TE, I'll take the WR any day of the week.

And perhaps the Patriots have been successful with it for reasons other than just having 2 good TEs. Maybe their QB, maybe their scheme, maybe their pregame meal.

I question anyone who says Dallas was very successful with a legit #2 TE.

In Bennett's best year, he had like 2 catches per game. In fact, Dallas rarely even sent him out on routes, maybe like 11-12 plays per game over his entire time in Dallas.

From 2008 to 2011, PFF has him tracked for going out on pass routes about 38% of the time he's even on the field, which is less than half the total snaps.

The reasons why they are successful are incredibly relevant because if you haven't noticed.....they're just about the only team doing it. Assuming you can load up at the TE postion and get anything close to what they do is just foolish.

 

[Hoofbite]

Adding the best TE in football wouldn't fix our red zone issues. That has to do with a complete lack of talent along the OL. You aren't fixing it with a pass catcher. You still won't be able to run the ball. You still won't be able to protect the QB in pass protection as the field shrinks and everybody gets more nosey at the line of scrimmage.

Like having a legit Redzone target is the problem anyway. They have a guy who can outjump anyone guarding him, a TE who has proven to be able to get open against any LB and another WR who can separate as well.

This team has a wealth of talent at the skill positions, specifically TE and WR. Compare it to any teams across the league and I doubt you'll get a ton who are more loaded than Dallas in that area. Off the top of my head, perhaps the Falcons.

The problem isn't the pass catching ability. If it isn't that obvious at this point, it will never become obvious.

 

[Hoofbite]

I would be pretty upset if we ended up taking Eifert and to me this is just the usual bit of misinformation that comes out every year at this time.

But to play devil's advocate... What if the draft played out where the following 17 players are taken and our pick is up:

Luke Joeckel OT
Eric Fisher OT
Star Lotulelei DT
Dee Milliner CB
Dion Jordan OLB
Sharrif Floyd DT
Ezekiel Ansah DE
Chance Warmack G
Jonathan Cooper OG
Lane Johnson OT
S. Richardson DT
Barkevious Mingo DE
Alec Ogletree ILB
Tavon Austin WR
D.J. Fluker OT
Kenny Vaccaro S
Sylvester Williams DT

At this point, I could just cry a little, then hope dallas found a partner to move back in the first and let them take Eifert, then at least hope we got something out of the extra pick we'd get.

Someone always gets taken well earlier than expected. Bruce Irvin was thought to be a 2nd or 3rd round guy and he went in the top half of the round last year didn't he?

The Jags took a DL a couple years ago. The Raiders always pick someone nobody is expecting like Heyward-Bey.

There are far too many wildcards for all the worthwhile picks to be taken.

 

[Echo9]

What do you mean who cares?

If you have WRs, they get the majority of the looks. If you don't, then someone has to get the looks.

It makes sense to have a stud #2 TE if you don't have WRs but when you have the WRs all your stud #2 TE will do is take looks away from your WRs.

It's not like you can just expect another TE to add to all the numbers. Another pass catcher, be it TE or WR, is going to take some looks from Dez, Miles, and Witten.

Dallas has their pass catches. I don't like the idea of drafting Austin at #18 because of that but given the choice between Austin and a #2 TE, I'll take the WR any day of the week.

And perhaps the Patriots have been successful with it for reasons other than just having 2 good TEs. Maybe their QB, maybe their scheme, maybe their pregame meal.

I question anyone who says Dallas was very successful with a legit #2 TE.

In Bennett's best year, he had like 2 catches per game. In fact, Dallas rarely even sent him out on routes, maybe like 11-12 plays per game over his entire time in Dallas.

From 2008 to 2011, PFF has him tracked for going out on pass routes about 38% of the time he's even on the field, which is less than half the total snaps.

The reasons why they are successful are incredibly relevant because if you haven't noticed.....they're just about the only team doing it. Assuming you can load up at the TE postion and get anything close to what they do is just foolish.

spot on

 

[Echo9]

Someone always gets taken well earlier than expected. Bruce Irvin was thought to be a 2nd or 3rd round guy and he went in the top half of the round last year didn't he?

The Jags took a DL a couple years ago. The Raiders always pick someone nobody is expecting like Heyward-Bey.

There are far too many wildcards for all the worthwhile picks to be taken.

Right. I was just going with the worst-case scenario. Even in this case, I'd try to trade back or even reach for something else rather than take a TE.

Since your scenario that SOMEONE will pick somebody no one is expecting is FAR FAR more likely than my list, I just can't see us being so backed into a corner that we'd have to take a TE. HEck, I didn't even include Geno Smith in my list.

 

[Hoofbite]

Right. I was just going with the worst-case scenario. Even in this case, I'd try to trade back or even reach for something else rather than take a TE.

Since your scenario that SOMEONE will pick somebody no one is expecting is FAR FAR more likely than my list, I just can't see us being so backed into a corner that we'd have to take a TE. HEck, I didn't even include Geno Smith in my list.

I agree. Count hit it on the head. There's no way that all possible picks are gone at #18

 

[TheCount]

I think the point is that the Cowboys would view him as the best value at 18 in the event that Cooper, Richardson, etc.. are gone. That is the scenario that is staring them in the face, at which point I think Eifert makes a ton of sense. I would argue Eifert would have more effect on the running game and passing game than any player potentially available at 18 sans Cooper. Now the question is he is probably the best pick from an offensive standpoint, but would he be more valuable than a similarly slotted pick on defense, i.e. Vaccaro, Sylvester Williams, Datone Jones, etc... That is not so clear.

If you've got the 18th pick in the draft and you draw your board up in such a way that when you're on the clock, 17 of the 18 prospects you had slotted for the 18th pick are gone and a TE is the next best - then you did something wrong.

Kellen Winslow Jr. and Vernon Davis are the only TE's to go higher than 18 in the last 10 years and they both went 6th overall. When you're looking at TE's worthy of being ranked as the 18th (or better) best player in the entire draft, there is no question about it.

It's not a "Everyone else is gone, he's the next best guy" situation. It's a "I absolutely need to have this guy" situation. When you start looking at those unique TE talents, you aren't looking for TE #2, you're looking for a major cog in your offensive plans.

That's why I think this "Worst case scenario means draft a TE" is a terrible, terrible idea.

 

[SportsGuru80]

Listen people this is COMPLETE B.S. :laugh2:

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I wouldn't be against it. I believe Cowboys should draft the best player available and if that's a tight end or a receiver or a quarterback than DRAFT IT.

 

[CowboysLaw87]

This Eifert talk is likely to drum up trade up interest. Look who's behind us...the Giants lost Bennett in FA and may be a potential landing spot for Eifert. Maybe we want to use him as a trade down chip...maybe we want a team to hop us for Eifert since we're actually not interested.

I'd just be extremely surprised if he's a real target for us at 18.

 

[Bigtommyb]

That's what the guys on the ticket keep saying . That the cowboys are in love with this guy and would consider him @ 18 if he is there . This after one of them saw their chalk board had s 5 guys circeled (effiert,vaccaro,lacy,reid,carridine) Their other pet cat is apparently Tank Carridine .

That would be the most dumbest pick ever, please it's time to take care of your Qb ,who is getting older and can't be running for his life forever? If no Ol is there you like then trade back get an extra 2nd or 3rd and call it a day. The way Hanna played we don't need or should pick a Te with 18!!!!!!!!!

 

[CATCH17]

That would be the most dumbest pick ever, please it's time to take care of your Qb ,who is getting older and can't be running for his life forever? If no Ol is there you like then trade back get an extra 2nd or 3rd and call it a day. The way Hanna played we don't need or should pick a Te with 18!!!!!!!!!

Unless the guy produces like a Gronkowski or Graham.


We need to upgrade the OL & DL but Eifert might be the best skill player in the entire draft.


He's not anywhere near the top of my list but if Dallas selects him I don't think I could moan too much.

 

[Rockytop6]

That's what the guys on the ticket keep saying . That the cowboys are in love with this guy and would consider him @ 18 if he is there . This after one of them saw their chalk board had s 5 guys circeled (effiert,vaccaro,lacy,reid,carridine) Their other pet cat is apparently Tank Carridine .

I hate (dislike) that circle.

 

[Bigtommyb]

Unless the guy produces like a Gronkowski or Graham.


We need to upgrade the OL & DL but Eifert might be the best skill player in the entire draft.


He's not anywhere near the top of my list but if Dallas selects him I don't think I could moan too much.

I'd disagree, i'd be moaning alot because if we don't protect Tony better, the Te won't matter, Rb's won't matter etc. We have to make that our #1 priority Thursday. Then saftey being 2nd priority. Hanna has showed me that we pulled of our steal last year with him. Tony is another year older today we don't take care of him we will have another disappointing mediocre season.

 

[CATCH17]

I'd disagree, i'd be moaning alot because if we don't protect Tony better, the Te won't matter, Rb's won't matter etc. We have to make that our #1 priority Thursday. Then saftey being 2nd priority. Hanna has showed me that we pulled of our steal last year with him. Tony is another year older today we don't take care of him we will have another disappointing mediocre season.

I agree with all of that but at some point we have to take the better player and this guy may be the best skill player in the entire draft.

I'd rather have Eifert over Vaccaro.

I like Warmack but i've never been completely sold on him as being amazing or anything. I personally have felt like Cooper has more upside.


With that said I would take Cooper, Warmack, Richardson, and Sylvester Williams all ahead of Eifert.

If those guys are gone than all bets are off and i'd be fine with taking someone like Eifert if we can't complete a trade down.

 

[Doc50]

This Eifert talk is likely to drum up trade up interest. Look who's behind us...the Giants lost Bennett in FA and may be a potential landing spot for Eifert. Maybe we want to use him as a trade down chip...maybe we want a team to hop us for Eifert since we're actually not interested.

I'd just be extremely surprised if he's a real target for us at 18.

Agreed.
Looking at the list posted earlier, there is only one offensive playmaker taken in the first 17; would have to be the first time in history for something like that, which means the depth and quality in this draft of trenchmen should have one or two coveted prospects falling to us. The five players listed in the intro including Eiffert are most likely guys we are NOT interested in.

The trading, reaches, hype, sleepers, hits, and misses is what keep us amateur GM's tuned in.
Valuation of assets - almost as important as coaching.
I hope our staff is up to the task.

 

[Bigtommyb]

I agree with all of that but at some point we have to take the better player and this guy may be the best skill player in the entire draft.

I'd rather have Eifert over Vaccaro.

I like Warmack but i've never been completely sold on him as being amazing or anything. I personally have felt like Cooper has more upside.


With that said I would take Cooper, Warmack, Richardson, and Sylvester Williams all ahead of Eifert.

If those guys are gone than all bets are off and i'd be fine with taking someone like Eifert if we can't complete a trade down.

Your right at some point we have to take best player available,however not at 18 when you have Witten and the te you picked last year showed promise. Just flat out stupid. I'd have to look over draft again if all those guys were gone and couldn't trade down. I am def trying to trade down if there gone before i'd make a stupid move like that!!