Cowboys in longest playoff appearance drought in 24 years

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  1. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Instead of putting the team on notice he tells the media just prior to camp that Garrett's job security isn't necessarily dependent on the team making the playoffs this season. What he's saying is as long he continues making money with FANS filling his stadium to watch a mediocre team there's no reason to make a head coaching change.
     
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  2. Fansince64

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    bal·ly·hoo
    ˈbalēˌho͞o/ - publicity, advertising, promotion, marketing, propaganda, push, puffery, buildup, boosting;More

    noun
    fuss, excitement;
    informalhype, spiel, hullabaloo, splash
    "after all the ballyhoo, the movie was a flop"

    verb
    North American
    verb: ballyhoo; 3rd person present: ballyhoos; past tense: ballyhooed; past participle: ballyhooed; gerund or present participle: ballyhooing
    1. praise or publicize extravagantly.
      "a much-ballyhooed musical extravaganza"
      synonyms:hyped, promoted, praised, acclaimed
      "a ballyhooed playwright"
    Based on the correct definition (and spelling, btw) of "ballyhoo", I think Idjit (as well as you and a few others) is truly ballyhooing the Cowboys by consistently praising extravagantly (verb - definition 1) the team's supposedly remarkable success in rebuilding the mythical lack of talent the legendary (at least, in his own mind) Jason Garrett inherited - this after the same supposedly untalented team somehow managed to get to 11-5 and won its first playoff game since the glory years only the season before.

    If you are going to use a term supposedly denigrating the people who aren't taken in by the Jerry Hype Machine, you really ought to know the definition of said term.


    Monte Sliger
     
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  3. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    Where did I say he was faultless?

    The issue at hand was weather he inherited a playoff team. The answer is emphatically no. There is really no argument to be had on the subject. The answer is no.

    LOL @ oh they just underachieved! Well underachieving teams that don't make the playoffs aren't playoff teams. This is how the world works. Whether you like it or not.
     
  4. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Can you recall a Cowboys team varying that much from one season to the next? They went from a very good 11-5 team that won the NFC East and a playoff game in 2009 to a bad 6-10 team the following season. What happened in 2010 was totally unexpected. Landry's teams gradually declined over several years to becoming a 3-13 team it certainly didn't happen over night. The 90's Cowboys gradually declined to becoming a 5-11 team. The disparity we saw from 2009 to 2010 we've never seen in franchise history. Just go back and look at the expectations for the Cowboys entering the 2010 season practically everyone was picking them to go to the SB.
     
  5. Fansince64

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    He had also virtually the same talent as the team that went 11-5 with a playoff win the year before too. there is really no argument to be had on that subject, either. See, I can twist words and meanings too.


    Monte Sliger
     
  6. Plankton

    Plankton Well-Known Member

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    You make it seem as if he inherited the situation. In fact, you used that very phrase.

    He didn't inherit anything - he was a part of it. Part of the underachieving, the sloppy play, and ultimately, the quitting.

    The team was considered to be a playoff team going into the season. Yes, it turns out that they failed miserably. Doesn't make him any less culpable.

    "Whether I like it or not?" Your arrogance is absolutely astounding.
     
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  7. Idgit

    Idgit Riding the Red Rocket Staff Member

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    No. I think it was pretty surprising that we saw that sort of volatility. But we'd also not fired a coach mid-season before, so they were not regular circumstances.

    I do know that team in 2010 was very thin underneath the starting lineup. And, no, I don't think we were thin mostly because of anything that had to do with our then-OC. I don't remember practically everyone picking them for the Superbowl, but they obviously had higher expectations that they failed to deliver on. Preseason expectations from talking heads, though, aren't exactly the barometer I'd use for how good a team is likely to be, anyway.
     
  8. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    Are you unfamiliar to the variation that can happen in the NFL? Worst to firsts happen every year. It stands to reason that the inverse can happen as well.

    Furthermore in 2010 our Pythagorean win expectation was 7 wins. We underachieved by 1 game. Again nothing points to the team being a playoff contender. Again if we were JG never gets the head coaching job. It's easy to say the team quite on Wade. But when did it quit? We lost the 1st two games of the season. And 3 of the 1st 4. Did we quit 2 games into the season? 4 games?

    People will stare facts that are plain to see and twist it any way they want to achieve an agenda. In this case JG bashing.Silly.
     
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  9. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    He was part of the problem. He wasn't the boss. Now that he is he gets more blame than he does as just a coordinator.

    Again this wasn't the conversation. The conversation was whether he inherited a playoff team. The obvious answer is no. The only answer is no. We know this because the 2010 Cowboys did not make the playoffs.
     
  10. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Practically everyone I heard were picking the Cowboys to go to the SB that season. Those who wouldn't go that far were at the very least picking them to go deep into the playoffs. There was a lot of talk about the Cowboys having a chance of being the first team to ever play a SB in their home stadium which added to the SB talk. The 2010 season went sour because the Cowboys began listening to all the SB predictions while still celebrating their first playoff win in 13 years. Even Wade joked about going to the SB in 2010. All that cream puff did was coddle his players leading up to that season.

    He was still gushing over the playoff win in OTA's while preparing the team for the upcoming season. The players got caught up reading their press clippings like they did after the 2007 season which led to a disappointing 2008 season. The only reason Wade was fired during the 2010 season was because the team quit on him and Jerry couldn't wait for the Jason Garrett era to begin. Once the season was in the toilet after the first 8 games Jerry saw that as the perfect opportunity to start Garrett's on the job head coaching training.
     
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  11. TheDude

    TheDude McLovin

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    To be honest, The team wasn't that different, if you look at those games, how they were lost, it wasn't some black hole talent suckage many claim. That 1-7 start was mostly on the offense and Special teams. Romo (as it pains me to say) had some rough opening games.

    Threads in Jan 2010
    http://cowboyszone.com/threads/why-dallas-will-be-better-next-season.176696/
    http://cowboyszone.com/threads/plea...ms-to-me-that-this-organization.176739/page-2

    Defense
    http://cowboyszone.com/threads/dc-com-blog-can-the-defense-pick-up-where-it-left-off.178843/

    Free Agency
    http://cowboyszone.com/threads/dmn-blog-cowboys-wont-answer-opening-bell-in-free-agency.178939/
    http://cowboyszone.com/threads/the-three-most-under-rated-factors-of-this-off-season.185502/

    Champions and DirectionUP
    http://cowboyszone.com/threads/cowboys-have-the-look-of-a-champion.185953/
    http://cowboyszone.com/threads/five-reasons-why-the-dallas-cowboys-will-improve-in-2010.186074/
    http://cowboyszone.com/threads/spor...ely-not-to-make-it-back-to-postseason.186301/
    http://cowboyszone.com/threads/spor...ely-not-to-make-it-back-to-postseason.186301/
    http://cowboyszone.com/threads/pro-football-weekly-mag-with-yahoo-picks-us-losing-to-gb.186661/
    http://cowboyszone.com/threads/possibilty-we-arent-as-good.190728/page-4
    http://cowboyszone.com/threads/supe...ng-less-be-a-disappointment-in-dallas.186986/

    Age
    http://cowboyszone.com/threads/espn-mosley-redskins-have-leagues-oldest-roster-cowboys-16.187344/

    Prediction
    http://cowboyszone.com/threads/call-your-shot-way-too-soon.188116/

    In fact, the biggest question marks were Alan Ball and Beuhler.
    http://cowboyszone.com/threads/broaddus-likes-ball-free-hamlin-buehler.189089/
     
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  12. dreghorn2

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    The Campo years were tough but the man had no chance, his three years in charge included having 25% of the Cowboys cap as dead money, it was a no win. It was tough but i understood completely.

    The last few years, not so much.

    And KJJ is right that team was touted by more than just 'the talking heads' as a Super Bowl contender, Jerry certainly believed it, as mentioned, the talk was the Boys being the first team to play at home for a SB.

    It was very disconcerting for me that our team president and GM so completely misread his team that year. That was the year of the star studded sidelines travelling training camp, what a disaster that season was.

    Edit.. yep great post McLovin.
     
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  13. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    I know what can happen in the NFL the Falcons went from 13-3 in 2012 to 4-12 in 2013. Washington went from 10-6 and the NFC East title in 2012 to 3-13 and home for the playoffs the following season but we've never seen a Cowboys season vary so dramatically from one season to the next like we saw from 2009 to 2010. Everything pointed to the Cowboys being at the very least a playoff contender entering the 2010 season. The team had been a "playoff contender" ever since Romo led the Cowboys to the playoffs in 06.

    The only reason you're claiming the Cowboys weren't a playoff contender in 2010 is because they had an awful season. I'm sure you weren't saying they weren't a playoff contender "prior" to the 2010 season. lol You're probably one of those who claimed the 13 Pro Bowlers the Cowboys had in 2007 were a joke because the team went one and out in the playoffs that year.
     
  14. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    lol
    so then why cant garrett get the team to "vary" into the playoffs over 3 years?
    how come were stuck in neutral while everyone else is "varying"?
     
  15. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    What does it matter what we thought before the season? Clearly that 2010 was not a playoff contender. I'm not claiming to have predicted it. I'm using perfect 20/20 hindsight.

    So again. No. JG did not inherit a playoff team. Very few new head coaches do. Why? Because if your team makes the playoffs very rarely are you let go,
     
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  16. KJJ

    KJJ You Have an Axe to Grind

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    Garrett inherited a team with a 1-7 record that had made the playoffs 3 of the past 4 seasons. He inherited a playoff caliber team and several playoff caliber teams miss the playoffs every year due to a bad season. One bad season especially one in which you lose your starting QB after 6 games doesn't mean you don't have a playoff team. The Cowboys had Washington beat opening day but a bad play call and a holding call on what would have been the game winning TD helped cost them the game.

    A couple of ill-timed picks in the final 7 minutes helped cost the Cowboys the Chicago and Tenn games. The Cowboys were beating the Giants in week 7 until Romo went down. The Cowboys had more of a playoff team in 2010 than they do now. I doubt this team could win 5 out of 8 games with their backup QB and 3rd string QB.
     
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  17. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    Lost our starting QB....at the time the team was 1-5. The season was effectively over already.

    What part of JG didn't inherit a playoff team because the team he inherited didn't make the playoffs don't you understand?

    Your impression of the actual talent on the squad is completely subjective and in effect worthless in the discussion of whether JG had a playoff team. Nevermind that his first full season was in 2011. Now 2 seasons removed from the playoff squad you're projecting them based off of.

    Stahp.
     
  18. Idgit

    Idgit Riding the Red Rocket Staff Member

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    First off, awesome to take the time to grab those links. Love looking back at the old threads.

    Secondly, thank you, because you must have selected threads where I wasn't saying anything stupid. I had one quote in all those threads...and it was a sane one.

    Wow, this thread: http://cowboyszone.com/threads/call-your-shot-way-too-soon.188116/....was a doozy. I wish I could recall what I had expected that season. I think it was 10-6 (that's where I usually am with the Cowboys when it comes down to it). Pretty funny to see that level of enthusiasm, though, in retrospect. I remember being profoundly effected by the tin-can collapse of our OTs in 2009...mostly because my business partner is a die-hard Viking fan and I spent a sobering playoff weekend in Vegas with him that week with him trying not to gloat too obviously as Romo took turns getting pummeled from either the left or the right in that second half. Maybe the colors my recollections of the board overall. Or maybe I need to get off my lazy butt and see if I can find some threads that weren't quite so sanguine, if they exist.
    Either way, that's for that work. I'll defer to your point, at least for the time being. :)
     
  19. Idgit

    Idgit Riding the Red Rocket Staff Member

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    Here was my take on that topic, above:

    Cowboys in longest playoff appearance drought in 24 years

    Again, feel free to add your own two cents.
     
  20. TheDude

    TheDude McLovin

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    It took more time than I should have done in the middle of a work day, but some there were some funny ones I didnt post. :) It was interesting seeing the names on some of those posts...

    Yeah, I wasn't looking for any poster - just thread names. I was surprised I wasn't posting much that offseason. Plus, I wouldn't pile on - you already had your "Sturm has an agenda against Garrett" take today :p (sorry I thought I needed a quip there)


    I lost money on that game as well. I usually dont bet on Dallas W/L, but that game was one of those that just got outta hand. There were some great preseason game threads. The offense looked bad, got smoked by Houston, 1st team was real slow, etc. It was a fun hour of past reading
     
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