Cowboys players and fans singing different Zeke tune

[ABQCOWBOY]

The

scenario is this, off the field behavior isn't their business at all, especially from a moral stand point because they aren't any better, and make money off immorality. Secondly, since the players union sold out the players on this issue, seek needs to behave himself for the sake of himself, his team, the fans, and his friends and family. Both sides need to change. End of discussion lol

I don't think the NFLPA sold out the players, to be honest. I think the players did that to themselves. They voted for this and the NFLPA moved forward on it, based on the players vote. That's how I see it.

 

[Bowdown27]

When I was 21 and like most of us we did dumb shh. He's in the limelight and gets a little out of control. I met him and dak at nick and sams after it closed down. Dak was respectful and nice talking with. Zeke was nice but was joking around drunk acting his age. He has to just grow up because you're on the biggest sports organization in the world. I get Troy emmitt and others saying he needs help. Look who they played with lol they are just worried and Want the best for the kid. Hell get it right.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Open minded? LOL.

So let me get this straight, I am closed minded because I state that it's not typical behavior for a 20 year old to get into trouble like Elliott does? That's not being closed minded, that's just reality.

And I didn't call Elliott stupid. I said the way he acts off the field at times is stupid. And it is. By any sane person, pulling down a girl's shirt in public, being involved in a bar fight where a guy gets knocked out, etc. on top of being investigated for a DV incident is stupid behavior.

I'll ask a third time. If that kind of behavior is typical of all 20 year olds, how come more NFL players don't have the track record Elliott does? How come many of our players did not have similar issues at Zeke's age?

The answer is simple. It's not typical behavior. Elliott has a problem, and this has been stated by people who know far more about this than you and I like Emmitt Smith, Marshall Faulk, Troy Aikman. It's a problem that will cost him a career if he doesn't wise up. So no, what he does isn't typical 20 year old behavior.

Aikman's and DJs photo with strippers was posted in a local strip club in DFW back in their hayday...shame on them....Aikman was well known to be a frequent visitor to strip clubs and enjoyed those women and lifestyle....I mean you really need a list of people to justify your opinion? You are wrong in this case and took my post out of context. I will play you for the third time...my post clearly said punish Zeke if he is wrong and he deserves everything coming to him. My other point is he is still a kid while in the spotlight he is still not doing anything out of the norm 7 out 10 young men go through to a certain degree. So please move along with your viewpoint and shallow minded takes and focus on something more credible. You clearly are the Alex P Keeten of the zone and have never been tempted, done anything wrong, or made a mistake I get that now I truly do. The whole premise of this thread is about his past lifestyle party habits and his need to grow up and how it relates to his current ban. I'm saying leave this topic out of why his allegation may or may not be true. Just because you party and make bad decisions while partying (not talking about DV or abuse) does not make someone a bad person. You clearly look down on this type of individual and that is your choice...leave me and my opinion out of your baseless rants though. I provided my opinion on this thread nothing more..my opinion and personal relation...nothing more...nothing less...I don't need you harping on my opinion in a disrespectful condescending manner.

 

[Sydla]

Of course you'd trust them they share views that make you seem right. Way to go Captain Obvious. I never said that's what all young people did. Is your computer or device faulty because you keep making up stuff I never said or implied. Get that checked out. The only thing that's false is your switching up my words to fit your views on this issue.

You are purposely being obtuse.

First, let's start with the fact that this is basically about trust. Who are you going to trust to paint a picture about the issues Zeke may or may not have off the field? Aikman and Emmitt Smith, two guys that still have considerable pull and contacts with the Cowboys, or Philmonroe? That's a tough call for me.

Secondly, you have something backwards. It's because Aikman and Smith and others have said what they said that leads me to believe Zeke has off the field issues. It's not that I created some theory and then sought out people to back me up. It's because people like Aikman and Smith that have spoken out, coupled with various reports about his behavior that are well known, that I believe has a maturity issue and needs to clean up his act.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Lesson #1. Never trust anything from the FWST.





YR

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Zeke just has to grow up. He was under investigation and he was still making headlines. I think that is what the former Cowboys are saying. Nobody knows if Zeke abused that girl or not including Goodell. We do know she did lie and tried to get others to to lie. The NFL has made it so all you need to be is be accused and you are guilty. On the other hand if the NFL likse a certain player or team they can give them a break. That's the only thing we can take by the inconsistent suspensions.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

"A" and "B" can be equally true, which is something to keep in mind as this unfolds. Regardless of Elliott's issues or what one thinks of them, the NFL's discipline program under Goodell can still be a corrupted mess. While I do think the Elliott suspension is unjustified, given the facts as we know them, such thought doesn't much inform my feelings regarding the Goodell discipline regime. I thought it was absurd, illogical, hodgepodge and unequally implemented long before the Cowboys drafted Elliott. This is simply the latest example.

As to the Elliott case, I am most disturbed by the letter and the apparent leaks from the league office that have essentially branded the man on the basis of less than compelling evidence. Whether Elliott has made good choices isn't the issue given the basis upon which the league has framed the suspension. The issue, for me, is whether the evidence in what particular area -- domestic violence -- is sufficiently compelling for him to be tagged for life as an offender. At this point, I don't think it is, and yet the league felt compelled to apply such a tag.

I might be misguided. I might make poor judgments. I might be young and foolish. I might even be, by your standards, a bad apple. But even if all those things are true, it doesn't mean I did a particular thing.

 

[Sydla]

Aikman's and DJs photo with strippers was posted in a local strip club in DFW back in their hayday...shame on them....Aikman was well known to be a frequent visitor to strip clubs and enjoyed those women and lifestyle....I mean you really need a list of people to justify your opinion? You are wrong in this case and took my post out of context. I will play you for the third time...my post clearly said punish Zeke if he is wrong and he deserves everything coming to him. My other point is he is still a kid while in the spotlight he is still not doing anything out of the norm 7 out 10 young men go through to a certain degree. So please move along with your viewpoint and shallow minded takes and focus on something more credible. You clearly are the Alex P Keeten of the zone and have never been tempted, done anything wrong, or made a mistake I get that now I truly do. The whole premise of this thread is about his past lifestyle party habits and his need to grow up and how it relates to his current ban. I'm saying leave this topic out of why his allegation may or may not be true. Just because you party and make bad decisions while partying (not talking about DV or abuse) does not make someone a bad person. You clearly look down on this type of individual and that is your choice...leave me and my opinion out of your baseless rants though. I provided my opinion on this thread nothing more..my opinion and personal relation...nothing more...nothing less...I don't need you harping on my opinion in a disrespectful condescending manner.

Let's start with a few things.

- I don't think Elliott is a bad person. I have very clearly defended him with regards to the DV allegation. Based on what I have read, I think the NFL did him an injustice here. All I have said is he makes dumb off the field decisions and that what he does off the field can't and shouldn't be explained away and excused away as "typical" behavior for early 20s people. Because it's not typical or normal behavior.

- You now are slightly walking back your initial point. You just said 7 out 10 young men go through this "to a certain degree". Now you are qualifying your earlier statement. Yes, a lot of young people are immature and need to mature but it's not "typical" for that maturity to come out as we have seen with Elliott and the things he's done. Again, it's not "typical" for your every day 20 year old to pull down a girl's shirt in public. It's not also not "typical" for a normal 20 year old to be involved in a situation where a guy gets cold cocked and knocked out. Yes, it happens. No one denied that. But it's not normal or typical.

- I've never equated his other actions with the DV issue or even used that as justification to believe he may have committed that DV. But the reality is even if he's never accused of DV, these other issues would put him on the NFL radar and he'd have issues down the road if he didn't clean up his act. Now obviously not as a severe as having a DV allegation around your neck, but certainly, fine and suspension issues down the road. Again, let's note that both Smith and Aikman and others have basically said, he has other issues off the field that luckily haven't made it to the press.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

"A" and "B" can be equally true, which is something to keep in mind as this unfolds. Regardless of Elliott's issues or what one thinks of them, the NFL's discipline program under Goodell can still be a corrupted mess. While I do think the Elliott suspension is unjustified, given the facts as we know them, such thought doesn't much inform my feelings regarding the Goodell discipline regime. I thought it was absurd, illogical, hodgepodge and unequally implemented long before the Cowboys drafted Elliott. This is simply the latest example.

As to the Elliott case, I am most disturbed by the letter and the apparent leaks from the league office that have essentially branded the man on the basis of less than compelling evidence. Whether Elliott has made good choices isn't the issue given the basis upon which the league has framed the suspension. The issue, for me, is whether the evidence in what particular area -- domestic violence -- is sufficiently compelling for him to be tagged for life as an offender. At this point, I don't think it is, and yet the league felt compelled to apply such a tag.

I might be misguided. I might make poor judgments. I might be young and foolish. I might even be, by your standards, a bad apple. But even if all those things are true, it doesn't mean I did a particular thing.

They're good at leaking. They leaked the stuff on Brady too. This is all about PR. They want to get the public behind them. It has nothing to do with justice.

 

[bsbellomy]

If I had a dime for every time someone tries to compare Elliott to their own lives, I'd be one rich dude.

Here's the reality. Even at age 19-22, getting into bar fights, doing dumb things, isn't normal behavior. It happens, I get it, but it's not normal or typical. Every weekend around this country, millions of 19-22 kids go out and have fun. But only a small fraction do dumb **** like get in fights, etc. So no, acting like an idiot because you are partying isn't exactly typical.

Further, Elliott isn't your average 19-22 year old. He's a multi-millionaire celebrity who has cameras and media constantly following him. The reality is that when one signs up to be a NFL player, their level of responsibility is different than for you or I. If players don't like it, then they shouldn't be NFL players. It's just the reality of the situation.

The excuse making for Elliott on this front has always puzzled me. It all surrounds the logic that we should let 20 year olds act like 20 year olds as if what Elliott does is typical. It's not. And you can look around at the Cowboys for proof. How come when Lee or Tyron Smith or Byron Jones or Zach Martin or Tyrone Crawford or Witten were youngish 20 year olds, how come we never saw the "typical" 20 year old behavior from them?

Simple. They were smarter. More mature. They knew how to party, have some fun without acting like a knucklehead. That's what Elliott needs to learn.

I've heard you're argument just as many times. Fact is he is still a 22 year old and no matter how much you think it should his brain doesn't work like you want it to. At 22 you want to do your own thing and you aren't too good at taking advice. Most of the time growing up and learning involves some eye opening experiences. You might want to point to Dak as a model but even he has had some of those eye opening experiences.

 

[Philmonroe]

You are purposely being obtuse.

First, let's start with the fact that this is basically about trust. Who are you going to trust to paint a picture about the issues Zeke may or may not have off the field? Aikman and Emmitt Smith, two guys that still have considerable pull and contacts with the Cowboys, or Philmonroe? That's a tough call for me.

Secondly, you have something backwards. It's because Aikman and Smith and others have said what they said that leads me to believe Zeke has off the field issues. It's not that I created some theory and then sought out people to back me up. It's because people like Aikman and Smith that have spoken out, coupled with various reports about his behavior that are well known, that I believe has a maturity issue and needs to clean up his act.

Just because I disagree with you doesn't equal I'm being obtuse but if that makes you feel better I'll be purposely obtuse. I don't trust most of what people say publicly on stuff like this because rarely do people say things that aren't the "right" so spare me on that front. Also spare me on the philmonroe vs Aikman stuff. You consigning them because they agree because if they had a view like mine you wouldn't use them.

It leads you to believe based on what others say? Good to know you're easily fooled by words into thinking a certain way. Sad thing is it's too many out here like you and that's sad. Makes it great in other areas but on this one it's sad. Nobody can show me anything that's even close to bad outside of the top incident. That's why I'm laughing at all this he needs to get his act together business. Some of y'all sound like a bunch of prudes.

I agree for his own sake he needs to be in less stuff but I'm not comfortable speaking on his "troubles" that aren't that bad that we actually know of and not some tmz hearse with no proof

 

[Sydla]

Just because I disagree with you doesn't equal I'm being obtuse but if that makes you feel better I'll be purposely obtuse. I don't trust most of what people say publicly on stuff like this because rarely do people say things that aren't the "right" so spare me on that front. Also spare me on the philmonroe vs Aikman stuff. You consigning them because they agree because if they had a view like mine you wouldn't use them.

It leads you to believe based on what others say? Good to know you're easily fooled by words into thinking a certain way. Sad thing is it's too many out here like you and that's sad. Makes it great in other areas but on this one it's sad. Nobody can show me anything that's even close to bad outside of the top incident. That's why I'm laughing at all this he needs to get his act together business. Some of y'all sound like a bunch of prudes.

I agree for his own sake he needs to be in less stuff but I'm not comfortable speaking on his "troubles" that aren't that bad that we actually know of and not some tmz hearse with no proof

So then Smith and Aikman are lying? You must if you think they are "fooling" people with what they have said publicly.

Honestly, why would Aikman or Smith or even Faulk talk publicly about Elliott if there really was nothing there to be concerned about?

 

[Ranched]

Marijuana isn't the only substances banned by the NFL.

Not for long according to yours truly....
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said last week that he opposes players using the drug recreationally but is willing to listen to the league’s medical advisers on the potential value of medicinal marijuana. “To date, they haven’t said this is a change we think you should make that’s in the best interests of the health and safety of our players,” he said. “If they do, we’re certainly going to consider that.”
Goodell should have 6 days of pay taken from him for even considering it. He's not in charge. He only does what he's told and to think he earns $40 Million a year to do so.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...0e4656c22aa_story.html?utm_term=.b6a551b92fb7

 

[Philmonroe]

So then Smith and Aikman are lying? You must if you think they are "fooling" people with what they have said publicly.

Honestly, why would Aikman or Smith or even Faulk talk publicly about Elliott if there really was nothing there to be concerned about?

You need to take a debate class or something because your constant rhetorical questions are annoying.

People ask them questions so they talk and give the standard answer. I guess you believe everybody is all against DV like the media would have you believe and nobody has a divergent view. That's not real but if you are easily fooled into believing so ok.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Let's start with a few things.

- I don't think Elliott is a bad person. I have very clearly defended him with regards to the DV allegation. Based on what I have read, I think the NFL did him an injustice here. All I have said is he makes dumb off the field decisions and that what he does off the field can't and shouldn't be explained away and excused away as "typical" behavior for early 20s people. Because it's not typical or normal behavior.

- You now are slightly walking back your initial point. You just said 7 out 10 young men go through this "to a certain degree". Now you are qualifying your earlier statement. Yes, a lot of young people are immature and need to mature but it's not "typical" for that maturity to come out as we have seen with Elliott and the things he's done. Again, it's not "typical" for your every day 20 year old to pull down a girl's shirt in public. It's not also not "typical" for a normal 20 year old to be involved in a situation where a guy gets cold cocked and knocked out. Yes, it happens. No one denied that. But it's not normal or typical.

- I've never equated his other actions with the DV issue or even used that as justification to believe he may have committed that DV. But the reality is even if he's never accused of DV, these other issues would put him on the NFL radar and he'd have issues down the road if he didn't clean up his act. Now obviously not as a severe as having a DV allegation around your neck, but certainly, fine and suspension issues down the road. Again, let's note that both Smith and Aikman and others have basically said, he has other issues off the field that luckily haven't made it to the press.

I never said everyone...I said its normal...I gave you the 7/10 since you obviously need it to rationalize my post..I was never immature and again feel you are talking down here and come across as condescending...did i make bad decisions..yep..has Zek...yep...I haven't walked back from my original post..and you are very mislead as this generation of kids is very "outgoing" with their sexuality and how they express it...especially compared to when I grew up..while it is questionable and makes no sense to you or I...do you know if Zeke and this lady have had a previous relationship? Again back to my point...girls pull their tops up...Zeke pulled her's down..dumb yes but she clearly didn't have an issue with it..so other than making a poor choice at that given time it still doesn't mean he has "issues" and needs to come to grips with reality..its the norm with this generation whether or not you want to come to grips with it..it is reality ..again we should be talking about this allegation and not some 20 year old kid who has made some poor decisions. IF he is guilty then all bets are off...anyway its time for me to move on...cheers

 

[Jake]

It is in the NFL's right to suspend him for incidents other than something he was cleared of. Unfortunately, they are tying him to something he was cleared, something he will be banished for, if he ever is ACCUSED of this again.

Show me that part of the NFL's personal conduct policy.

"Persons who fail to live up to this standard of conduct are guilty of conduct detrimental and subject to discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in conviction of a crime."

https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/personal-conduct-policy.pdf

 

[nathanlt]

Show me that part of the NFL's personal conduct policy.

"Persons who fail to live up to this standard of conduct are guilty of conduct detrimental and subject to discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in conviction of a crime."

https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/personal-conduct-policy.pdf

Great, suspend him for personal conduct, not for domestic violence. Domestic Violence has teeth to it, in that one strike is six games, two strikes, banishment. Punish him under the applicable policy. Domestic Violence is NOT it!

 

[zrinkill]

OP became a Bronco's fan a few years ago and mocked those that remained loyal to the boys ........ his opinion should be taken in that context.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

To many Cowboys fans Zeke is a victim of a league office that is out of control...spearheaded by a commissioner with a singular vendetta to destroy the Cowboys and steal joy from their fans.

In contrast, when I listen to past and present players...the portrayal of Zeke is certainly not one of a victim but rather as a young man at a crossroads, in serious need of a course correction.

Aikman, Haley, Emmitt have had some sober words about Zeke's behavior and a need for change. Jason Witten, a team captain, was understandably cautious in his comments but you could certainly see Wit's focus was not on how the NFL conducted their investigation, but on how Elliott is conducting his life.

The concerns seem perhaps even more intense with some inside the Cowboys organization.

One Cowboys front office member said, "This guy is a total diva. It’s going to be a miracle if he doesn’t get into any trouble."*

I'm far from any fan of Roger G and the gang running the league. They've certainly botched up (again) in their handling of the Zeke case. But I suggest fans might consider shifting the narrative.

Specifically...Focusing on Zeke living smarter and living better. Given the way things are going...Zeke is putting himself at risk of losing everything...his sport, his finances....possibly even his freedom or his life.


*Quote from Star Telegram

Fans don't set the narrative for Zeke.

And many a fan here... Before the suspension was handed down have talked about Zeke needing to mature. Unfortunately, many fans here have also gone out of their way to defend his poor behavior

 

[T-RO]

It took Dez a while to mature to the point he is at right now...the were many, many people on here that were ready to sever ties and cut Dez at one point..I'm going to go ahead and predict things Zeke will probably have a similar path..I can't see him turning his life around just yet ...we can only hope the end product of Zeke is similar to Dez...

As I understand...Dez has really come a long ways and I really admire him for his progress. Dez really got short-changed growing up with very little parenting, poor as dirt. By all accounts he's matured even to the point where some thing he should be a team captain.

Zeke's background was different. Seems to have had a good mom and dad who invested a lot in Zeke.

We all can change and grow. I'm rooting hard for Zeke, the player and the man.