Crayton on 103.3 sounding off on previous coaches

abersonc;1552275 said:
Tell me, when you have management changes at work, do the folks on the way out seem to take a ton of blame - often to the point where everyone is using them to cover even for their own shortcomings. I sure know that is my work experience.

usually the management change around here is so common it just happens. it's like a rung on a ladder more than a committment or job.

some managers will get more of their people. some won't even give a damn about their people and manage a totally different direction - like looking for a more prestigious job.
 
iceberg;1552288 said:
the biggest mistake is when people tend to think someone will act the same regardless of the environment they're in.

A similar mistake is blaming your poor performances entirely on the environment.

How exactly do guys who never played in a different environment at this level know they will be better?
 
abersonc;1552294 said:
A similar mistake is blaming your poor performances entirely on the environment.

How exactly do guys who never played in a different environment at this level know they will be better?
You've got to be kidding me. Ab, you're way too smart to ask that.

If a player feels "bottled up" by his assignments or the game plan and initial practices and training have the brakes off they're naturally going to feel like they can accomplish more.
 
Hostile;1552290 said:
Okay, so here's a marriage thought to follow along.

You're happy on your honeymoon after you've exchanged vows to each other.

The other person (Parcells) did not live up to his vows. The players have no right to be unhappy now that the marriage is over?

If the vows are kept, then players should be happy. That's how marriage works.

You forget that the players didn't live up to their vows (with the exception of Crayton). A more accurate comparison is one not living up to the vows and the other slips on the way and then blames it on the other person. Then telling everyone that they won't slip on their next marriage.
 
Hostile;1552290 said:
If it was 1 player I could shrug it off. Especially if it was just TO, who is notorius for opening his festering gob. It isn't just one player and it is high character guys plus the owner. Open your eyes.

Something has to have been a bit off for this many players to speak their minds. Maybe it's not all on Parcells or Haley. I seriously doubt it is. But to just off handedly say it is "unintelligent" to give this any credence is absurd.

I'm not saying there wasn't a poor match nor had the environment not grown stale. However, too many players are attributing their failures to Parcells -- one or two lined up, now even the 3rd WR is in on the action. Refusing to take responsibility for the team's failure is a very dangerous road for players to go down -- and it is, IMO, a stupid road.

You can't honestly believe that it is good for players to spend their time blaming everything on Parcells, can you? A terrible culture is developing among these guys -- a culture where every bad game is getting excused because it was Bill's fault. Players need to learn from those bad performances -- and you don't learn if you just say it was someone else's fault.
 
abersonc;1552294 said:
A similar mistake is blaming your poor performances entirely on the environment.

How exactly do guys who never played in a different environment at this level know they will be better?
I haven't heard any player blame their performance entirely on the environment. I've heard some players blame it on scheme and playcalling.

Nothing really about environment other than it was a pain in the arse to live through, which is just a personal preference type thing. Sounds as though if Parcells was still here, Crayton may have been out of here next year in free agency because of that preference. That could certainly help your chances -- players not wanting to play in a certain environment.

As for Crayton owing something to Parcells, I think, with his skills, he would have latched on to some other team and won the 3rd receiver spot whether or not Parcells was there or not.
 
Hostile;1552300 said:
You've got to be kidding me. Ab, you're way too smart to ask that.

If a player feels "bottled up" by his assignments or the game plan and initial practices and training have the brakes off they're naturally going to feel like they can accomplish more.

EXACTLY...
 
firehawk350;1552301 said:
You forget that the players didn't live up to their vows (with the exception of Crayton). A more accurate comparison is one not living up to the vows and the other slips on the way and then blames it on the other person. Then telling everyone that they won't slip on their next marriage.
What?

I didn't think a bad analogy could get worse. Boy was I wrong.

It must be Monday.
 
Hostile;1552300 said:
You've got to be kidding me. Ab, you're way too smart to ask that.

If a player feels "bottled up" by his assignments or the game plan and initial practices and training have the brakes off they're naturally going to feel like they can accomplish more.
Being let loose isn't the best of ideas either.
 
abersonc;1552304 said:
I'm not saying there wasn't a poor match nor had the environment not grown stale. However, too many players are attributing their failures to Parcells -- one or two lined up, now even the 3rd WR is in on the action. Refusing to take responsibility for the team's failure is a very dangerous road for players to go down -- and it is, IMO, a stupid road.

You can't honestly believe that it is good for players to spend their time blaming everything on Parcells, can you? A terrible culture is developing among these guys -- a culture where every bad game is getting excused because it was Bill's fault. Players need to learn from those bad performances -- and you don't learn if you just say it was someone else's fault.

I know....and I agree completely. At some point, the players need to be help accountable. But for now, they get the "honeymoon" affect that a new head coach brings in.

Its going to be an interesting year.

Either you and I and several others are going to look stupid for underrating this team.

Or a ton of people are going to look back at the season and wonder where it all went wrong.
 
firehawk350;1552309 said:
Being let loose isn't the best of ideas either.

Tell that to Shawne Merriman.

It depends on the player - whether they can handle what you're asking them to do or not.

If they can't, change your scheme to what they can do or get another player.
 
theogt;1552305 said:
Nothing really about environment other than it was a pain in the arse to live through, which is just a personal preference type thing. Sounds as though if Parcells was still here, Crayton may have been out of here next year in free agency because of that preference. That could certainly help your chances -- players not wanting to play in a certain environment.

Of course, we haven't seen anyone who we wanted to keep not stay. Lots of guys here got re-signed during Bill's tenure.
 
abersonc;1552304 said:
I'm not saying there wasn't a poor match nor had the environment not grown stale. However, too many players are attributing their failures to Parcells -- one or two lined up, now even the 3rd WR is in on the action. Refusing to take responsibility for the team's failure is a very dangerous road for players to go down -- and it is, IMO, a stupid road.

You can't honestly believe that it is good for players to spend their time blaming everything on Parcells, can you? A terrible culture is developing among these guys -- a culture where every bad game is getting excused because it was Bill's fault. Players need to learn from those bad performances -- and you don't learn if you just say it was someone else's fault.
If this many players are relieved, I have to think it is a good thing for them to get to get it off their chests Ab. I really do.

They haven't been whining IMO (with the possible exception of Julius). They've expressed hope and relief and faith in things being better.

Yeah, that's a horrible thing.
 
abersonc;1552179 said:
Too much talk here -- players need to shut up, show some class, and prove it on the field. A HoF coach drafts your butt out of freaking Northwestern Oklahoma State, puts you in a position for a huge payday next year, and you slam him?

I agree with you Abs. All of this could be true but it does nobody any good to dredge it up. The best thing any of these players could do, IMO, is just get down to the business of making the transition and letting the play speak for itself. By making these kinds of comments, all you do is open yourself up for ridicule if you don't have a nice season.
 
Who really cares at this point? If the team is better this year than last, much of what theSe players have said will be proven true. If the team is still merely average and collapses in December again, then we'll know we have a bunch of crybaby losers on our hand. We, as fans, need to quit *****en and moaning about it and just sit back and wait to see who is validated!
 
abersonc;1552294 said:
A similar mistake is blaming your poor performances entirely on the environment.

How exactly do guys who never played in a different environment at this level know they will be better?

but what if it were a reason? it's no secret parcells had his pet players and they got to do things others simply couldn't.

can you do *your* best work if management puts you in "do this and only this" role? some will excel in it because everything is defined and what they need to succeed.

others will get bored silly and feel way under utilized and that their skills are not being used to the max.

right? wrong? perception?

we'll find out if they get better but if they do it's not all phillips jsut as if htey don't do well it wasn't all parcells.
 

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