News: CW: Cowboys could clear over $60 million in cap space without extending Dak

[Sarge]

You’re an upgrade

 

[Ozymandias]

*yawns* what's the point of even mentioning this?


Old Man Jones and his boy either knew this and didn't care or didn't know this and it's too late to make significant moves. Either way, they wake up tomorrow as, and will almost certainly die as, billionaires. THAT is what's REALLY important! Yay to them.../sarcasm

 

[Section446]

Dak is getting an extension... just accept it.

 

[Diehardblues]

So if you were GM what would you offer Dak?

It’s not really pertinent what you or I would do.

All we can do or offer here is our thoughts on why and what they do.

What we offer him doesn’t matter if he doesn’t accept it . If you put out an offer you’re not willing to meet their demands or negotiate then basically you have to be prepared to walk. And I don’t believe they are prepared to walk away.

They had ample opportunity to walk several years ago while he was on Franchise Tag. Time to draft or bring in someone else.

But Jethro is obviously All In on Dak. Part of it is his ego to prove he’s right about Dak. And he probably actually thinks or believes he’s enough . And the fact he helps maintain a relevant competitive popularity that he can hype and promote.

 

[CowboyoWales]

It’s not really pertinent what you or I would do.

All we can do or offer here is our thoughts on why and what they do.

Yes it is, you're complaining that it's wholly Jerry's fault, give us how you'd resolve the issue. It's easy to apportion blame (like your, it wasnt just Dak's fault), show what Jerry should offer to resolve the problem.

 

[Chasing6]

According to NFL writer K.D.Drummond, the Dallas Cowboys could clear over $60 million in cap space this week without extending Dak Prescott’s contract by making moves with other’s guys’ contracts and using Dak’s current contract. How? According to Drummond:

“The Cowboys aren’t beholden to anything here, though clearly a long-term agreement with Prescott would be the best way to create the most additional cap space. Remember though, Dak Prescott currently has two void years on his deal and like what they did with Zack Martin, they likely have language built in to add one or two more void years, allowing them to convert Prescott’s salary into a restructure bonus, adding more cap space.”​

Again…all that WITHOUT extending Dak Prescott’s contract. They could make additional moves with Lamb, Diggs, Steele and cut LVE among others. This just drives me crazy when we hear SJ rail about the cap restrictions that 31 other teams don’t seem to have trouble handling. The Cowboys either chose NOT to seriously pursue FA or are just flat incompetent.

For details, read the article below.

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/li...65m-cap-space-without-extending-dak-prescott/

But they won't.

 

[Chasing6]

Yes it is, you're complaining that it's wholly Jerry's fault, give us how you'd resolve the issue. It's easy to apportion blame (like your, it wasnt just Dak's fault), show what Jerry should offer to resolve the problem.

Well for starters. He should get on the damn phone and start talking to people.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Well for starters. He should get on the damn phone and start talking to people.

Either Broaddus or No C Walker on todays Talkin Cowboys said France isnt answering the calls. If you mean FA's in general, Jerry just doesnt overspend for top level FA's..... even if we dont agree with it.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yes it is, you're complaining that it's wholly Jerry's fault, give us how you'd resolve the issue. It's easy to apportion blame (like your, it wasnt just Dak's fault), show what Jerry should offer to resolve the problem.

First of all I don’t believe Jethro thinks he has a problem. These negotiations are all part of doing business.

What we offer him doesn’t matter if he doesn’t accept it . If you put out an offer you’re not willing to meet their demands or negotiate then basically you have to be prepared to walk. And I don’t believe they are prepared to walk away.

They had ample opportunity to walk several years ago while he was on Franchise Tag. Time to draft or bring in someone else.

But Jethro is obviously All In on Dak. Part of it is his ego to prove he’s right about Dak. And he probably actually thinks or believes he’s enough . And the fact he helps maintain a relevant competitive popularity that he can hype and promote.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Either Broaddus or No C Walker on todays Talkin Cowboys said France isnt answering the calls. If you mean FA's in general, Jerry just doesnt overspend for top level FA's..... even if we dont agree with it.

Dak needs to get rid of France as his agent before it truly ends up costing Dak.

 

[CowboyoWales]

What we offer him doesn’t matter if he doesn’t accept it . If you put out an offer you’re not willing to meet their demands or negotiate then basically you have to be prepared to walk. And I don’t believe they are prepared to walk away.

So Dak's not walking away, then stop complaining about this year, let Dak play out this contract (behind a lesser roster) and he can test the market and go back to Jerry with how much it'll take to keep him.

See, I think Dak wants $180/3 years (so he can hit FA again and with no NTC) .....which because of the deferred payments isnt really doable.

 

[Chasing6]

Either Broaddus or No C Walker on todays Talkin Cowboys said France isnt answering the calls. If you mean FA's in general, Jerry just doesnt overspend for top level FA's..... even if we dont agree with it.

Plenty of none top level talent has been signed.

At least 4 of our players have been signed and none of them were top level talent.

 

[Diehardblues]

Dak needs to get rid of France as his agent before it truly ends up costing Dak.

Besides the narrative of early playoff exits Dak is considered by most critics to be a top 10 caliber QB which unfortunately places him in the Market Price category.

Which basically increases every year. This year with Cap increasing more than normal the market will bare that as well.

We always have to remember QB’s contracts are not a pecking order but rather reflect the timing they signed. Not expecting Dak to seek a new Market Price isn’t being reasonable despite his poor performance in playoffs.

That’s just not how QB’s are valued except by fans and media. QB’s are still a very valued position based on their stats and mostly regular season performance and if team is a playoff contender. Franchises realize it’s a team effort for more success. Something fans don’t always see.

Look at what Cousins just received . 180 million for 4 years at 35 years old coming off Achilles season ending surgery. Lol

That’s how desperate teams are for a Franchise QB who hashistory of taking their teams to the playoffs.

If a 35 year old coming off major surgery injury with no more success in playoffs than Cousins is worth 45 mil then Dak has to be worth over 50.

 

[Diehardblues]

So Dak's not walking away, then stop complaining about this year, let Dak play out this contract (behind a lesser roster) and he can test the market and go back to Jerry with how much it'll take to keep him.

See, I think Dak wants $180/3 years (so he can hit FA again and with no NTC) .....which because of the deferred payments isnt really doable.

No, I’m saying Jethro isn’t prepared to walk away. If Jethro lets contract play out this year he risk losing him to FA. Which I’m not sure he’s willing to do.

We don’t know what Dak wants yet. But surely it’s more than 35 year old Cousins coming off Achilles season ending surgery just signed for. A lot more than 45 mil. I’d think it would be 55+ for new Market Price.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Besides the narrative of early playoff exits Dak is considered by most critics to be a top 10 caliber QB which unfortunately places him in the Market Price category.

Which basically increases every year. This year with Cap increasing more than normal the market will bare that as well.

We always have to remember QB’s contracts are not a pecking order but rather reflect the timing they signed. Not expecting Dak to seek a new Market Price isn’t being reasonable despite his poor performance in playoffs.

That’s just not how QB’s are valued except by fans and media. QB’s are still a very valued position based on their stats and mostly regular season performance and if team is a playoff contender. Franchises realize it’s a team effort for more success. Something fans don’t always see.

Look at what Cousins just received . 180 million for 4 years at 35 years old coming off Achilles season ending surgery. Lol

That’s how desperate teams are for a Franchise QB who hashistory of taking their teams to the playoffs.

If a 35 year old coming off major surgery injury with no more success in playoffs than Cousins is worth 45 mil then Dak has to be worth over 50.

Yep just look at Cousins, he'll never win anything, so whats the point in just throwing money at him.....similarly, Dak could be the season MVP, but if his ratings in play-off games are so poor and he looks like a deer in the headlights there's no point in paying market setting priices.

For Dak to win, we need a massively upgraded Defense, which paradoxically you cant do if your QB's CAP hit is in the $65m region.

We may be able to do it, if Dak took a longer contract to allow the FO to utilize signing bonus and restructure.....but it appears Dak wants to hit FA.....hence the problem.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yep just look at Cousins, he'll never win anything, so whats the point in just throwing money at him.....similarly, Dak could be the season MVP, but if his ratings in play-off games are so poor and he looks like a deer in the headlights there's no point in paying market setting priices.

For Dak to win, we need a massively upgraded Defense, which paradoxically you cant do if your QB's CAP hit is in the $65m region.

We may be able to do it, if Dak took a longer contract to allow the FO to utilize signing bonus and restructure.....but it appears Dak wants to hit FA.....hence the problem.

The reason is franchises have different priorities than fans . Fans are mostly SB or Bust.

Owners initial priority is having a playoff contender. Sure the ultimate goal is winning championships but they realize how difficult and how many things must fall into place plus a little luck.

Being a consistent playoff contender takes pressure off the ownership and provides fans a competitive product. Stability is the key word. And that’s what these Franchise QB’s provide.

Basically there’s two types of teams in NFL. Ones looking for a Franchise QB, which doesn’t necessarily mean Elite, and those who are trying to build around one best they can. Of course the more Elite the easier it is .

 

[America's Cowboy]

Besides the narrative of early playoff exits Dak is considered by most critics to be a top 10 caliber QB which unfortunately places him in the Market Price category.

Which basically increases every year. This year with Cap increasing more than normal the market will bare that as well.

We always have to remember QB’s contracts are not a pecking order but rather reflect the timing they signed. Not expecting Dak to seek a new Market Price isn’t being reasonable despite his poor performance in playoffs.

That’s just not how QB’s are valued except by fans and media. QB’s are still a very valued position based on their stats and mostly regular season performance and if team is a playoff contender. Franchises realize it’s a team effort for more success. Something fans don’t always see.

Look at what Cousins just received . 180 million for 4 years at 35 years old coming off Achilles season ending surgery. Lol

That’s how desperate teams are for a Franchise QB who hashistory of taking their teams to the playoffs.

If a 35 year old coming off major surgery injury with no more success in playoffs than Cousins is worth 45 mil then Dak has to be worth over 50.

$45 million sounds a lot better than paying $60 million per year for any franchise QB. You could use those extra $15 million to sign or keep certain other key players which better improves your team's chances of making and advancing in the playoffs. That's what everyone needs to realize, G.

 

[shabazz]

They could have a tiny bit of integrity if they just came out and said, “We aren’t going to spend any money in free agency because blah, blah blah…” I wouldn’t agree with that but at least it would be true.

If you or I were owners there's no way in hell that we would tell the peasants the truth.

A soft coup/rebuild is taking place through attrition and that is NOT what you tell season ticket holders, fans or the media....and you know why? Because we can't handle the truth!!!

 

[Diehardblues]

$45 million sounds a lot better than paying $60 million per year for any franchise QB. You could use those extra $15 million to sign or keep certain other key players which better improves your team's chances of making and advancing in the playoffs. That's what everyone needs to realize, G.

Of course but that’s not reality in the NFL.

It’s not the players responsibility to balance the budget. They should seek as much as they can. Their careers can end on the next snap. And teams can dump them at their own discretion. If they mismanage or over pay that’s on them not the player.

Bottomline with a quarter billion Salary Cap a few million more to secure your Franchise QB shouldn’t make a huge difference. It becomes more of a talking point.

 

[Diehardblues]

If you or I were owners there's no way in hell that we would tell the peasants the truth.

A soft coup/rebuild is taking place through attrition and that is NOT what you tell season ticket holders, fans or the media....and you know why? Because we can't handle the truth!!!

Yep

That’s Business 101. Only tell on a need to know basis. Never disclose everything publicly. The public can’t handle the truth.