Dak had Beasley or Dez for 6 with 40 seconds to go!

[Kevinicus]

no it was an incomplete to witten, terrible throw. He almost led witten right into another spleen problem.

How he didn't see Beasley or butler is the head scratcher to me. he threw Beasley the ball all day.

Butler looks covered when he was looking that direction. No way to make that throw from where he is in the 2nd picture. No idea how he missed Bease though. He's got to be tired of running deep patterns, getting wide open, and not being thrown the ball. It happened a lot last year too.

 

[Kevinicus]

It would have been Aikman-to-Ismail redux.

And back to my point, of course it proves something. There are a half dozen plays you can point to in this last game where the game could readily have been won on scheme alone. That indicates that the scheme was sufficient to win, period. There's no getting around it. You might have a scheme you like better that's also sufficient to win. Or you may think you've got one that makes winning more likely in other situations where this one is not sufficient, but that's an argument for a different thread.

It doesn't matter what the scheme or the play call is if the QB doesn't see the open WR. Or the open WR can't make the catch. Or the WR you pay the big money to to make the contested catch doesn't make the contested catch. Or the WR you tell to get out of bounds chooses not to because he brain farts, whatever that means. We're not losing these games because of scheme. We're losing them because of execution problems.

Or...it shows a blown coverage.

 

[Alohawg1]

Great, that really makes this unnecessary loss easier to swallow.

 

[Idgit]

The incident occurred 33 years ago, when Bill Parcells was a neophyte in the coaching profession. It's too bad there weren't any television cameras around, because it must have been a priceless moment. After all, how often do you see Parcells, a legendary sideline screamer, on the receiving end of a stinging attack? It happened to Parcells at Hastings College in Nebraska, the first stop in his circuitous coaching career. He was only 23, just out of college, but he thought he was hot stuff. Then came the sideline blowup, which had a profound effect on him as a coach. Hastings, an NAIA school in the Nebraska College Conference, was playing Nebraska Wesleyan. Parcells, who coached the defense, had drilled his unit all week in preparation for Wesleyan's bootleg play. Wesleyan ran the bootleg every week, and scored with it every week. But this was going to be different. Parcells wasn't going to let it happen to his defense. Wesleyan got near the Hastings goal line, ran the bootleg and scored a touchdown, sparking a Parcells tirade.

He chewed out his safety, a kid named Jack Giddings, who got caught out of position. Parcells was relentless, yelling at him in front of the whole team. Finally, the head coach, Dean Pryor, stepped in. "Leave the guy alone," Pryor told his young assistant. "But, coach, we worked on the damn play all week," Parcells said. "Well," Pryor said, raising his voice, "you didn't work on it enough because they scored."

Beautiful. You can see how that shaped Parcels. It's a mini version of 'you are what your record says you are.'

Reminds me of the story of how he got in an argument with Belichick on the sidelines after Bill had come back from CLE and he told him over the headphones: "Yeah, you're such a defensive genius. You're such a defensive genius the Browns fired you!" Bill didn't pull any punches.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

You just have to make Dez read 1 on ALL plays. Can't have this much money invested in a decoy...

WOW!

Dumb. He rarely is open within the first 10 yds.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

I just watched the first series on coaches film.

If you want to chart missed opportunities there were three on that drive. Not blaming Dak because we don't know his read progression for sure and what his coaches have told him to do.

1-10-20> Shotgun, 12 personnel, Zeke split wide left and motions into backfield. Witt strong left. Dez, Beas and Williams split rt. Witten drags to right, Dez angles to middle, Beaz straight up field and Williams an out. As Dak throws, all but Dez are clearly open...Beasley likely would have been TD, Williams a gain to about 7...Dak takes safe throw to Witten.

1-10-10> Shotgun, 11 personnel, Witt strong rt. Dez l slot, Beas and Williams left. Dez straight up seam....immediately open. Beasley drags behind him. High throw that Beas drops. Would have walked in. Dez would have walked in. DRC was lined up over Dez in slot and blitzed. As Dak set to throw DRC jumped, possibly blocking view of both Dez and Beas and making inaccurate throw. Beas has to catch this though. With two guys wide open, huge miss.

3-7-7> Shotgun, 11 personnel, Witt Strong L. Dez single rt. Williams l slot, Beas wide L. Dak checks down to Elliott crossing for short gain. When he threw, no one was open but no pressure. Could have held as Dez was just breaking open across end line. Another missed opportunity.

There are options on almost every play but it's hard to say exactly if Dak made the wrong play. In general, he was throwing to an open receiver so it's tough to say he made a bad play.

 

[mattjames2010]

You can go through every game and see this "open" receivers down the field. Game is over, he didn't throw to them, off to the Commanders.

 

[ConceptCoop]

It would have been Aikman-to-Ismail redux.

And back to my point, of course it proves something. There are a half dozen plays you can point to in this last game where the game could readily have been won on scheme alone. That indicates that the scheme was sufficient to win, period. There's no getting around it. You might have a scheme you like better that's also sufficient to win. Or you may think you've got one that makes winning more likely in other situations where this one is not sufficient, but that's an argument for a different thread.

It doesn't matter what the scheme or the play call is if the QB doesn't see the open WR. Or the open WR can't make the catch. Or the WR you pay the big money to to make the contested catch doesn't make the contested catch. Or the WR you tell to get out of bounds chooses not to because he brain farts, whatever that means. We're not losing these games because of scheme. We're losing them because of execution problems.

Things aren't this black and white and a handful of plays prove nothing. I'm sure most QBs have a play or two like this per game. WRs drop balls and break off routes; RBs pick the wrong hole. It happens.

Every NFL-level scheme is sufficient to win. That's not enough to justify the existence or use of a scheme.

 

[DC Cowboy]

Plus, he's too busy trying to help Daenerys Targaryen rule the kingdom.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

I just watched the first series on coaches film.

If you want to chart missed opportunities there were three on that drive. Not blaming Dak because we don't know his read progression for sure and what his coaches have told him to do.

1-10-20> Shotgun, 12 personnel, Zeke split wide left and motions into backfield. Witt strong left. Dez, Beas and Williams split rt. Witten drags to right, Dez angles to middle, Beaz straight up field and Williams an out. As Dak throws, all but Dez are clearly open...Beasley likely would have been TD, Williams a gain to about 7...Dak takes safe throw to Witten.

1-10-10> Shotgun, 11 personnel, Witt strong rt. Dez l slot, Beas and Williams left. Dez straight up seam....immediately open. Beasley drags behind him. High throw that Beas drops. Would have walked in. Dez would have walked in. DRC was lined up over Dez in slot and blitzed. As Dak set to throw DRC jumped, possibly blocking view of both Dez and Beas and making inaccurate throw. Beas has to catch this though. With two guys wide open, huge miss.

3-7-7> Shotgun, 11 personnel, Witt Strong L. Dez single rt. Williams l slot, Beas wide L. Dak checks down to Elliott crossing for short gain. When he threw, no one was open but no pressure. Could have held as Dez was just breaking open across end line. Another missed opportunity.

There are options on almost every play but it's hard to say exactly if Dak made the wrong play. In general, he was throwing to an open receiver so it's tough to say he made a bad play.

Second series, Dak did a nice job....at the time he threw he basically threw to the only open receiver at the time. THere were two plays in that series that there was a better option than what he did. On the pass to Dez in the end zone, he had Witten wide open crossing right in front of him and was uncovered. Two plays later, Dak rolled right and had Witten wide open again but threw to Dunbar short and covered. Only really bad read up to this point.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

You could do this with many plays giants probably play underneath 100% on Beasley bc that's all he's been

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Third series, again he is throwing to open guys so it is hard to complain too much especially not knowing his progression. They are defnitely just reading one side of the field though. The two plays before third FG were questionable. Free got beat so badly that Dak had no time. He was reading left side which had Dez running straight upfield and Witten doing an out. He threw the ball away at Witt's feet to avoid sack but if he had any time he had Zeke wide open on circle route out of backfield. Next play he threw to Witten curling in the middle. THere was no way Witten was scoring and Dak had time. Dunbar was slanting from left and was the much better choice, might have been able to score IMO.

 

[skinsscalper]

We've both played football, right? What's it mean to you when a coach says 'get rid of the ball quickly and don't take a sack'? Because here's what I'd think when I hear stuff like that: "No ****?" Then I'd go out there and do what I'm supposed to do.

Nobody ever tries to hold the ball too long and take the sack, so telling them that isn't going to change what they do. They have a play. The play has routes. The routes are run by receivers. The open ones get the ball when the QB sees them. That's how it works. In this case, everything happens except the QB seeing it part. That's not on the play design or the route or the WR or the coaches. It's on the QB.

Dude! DO NOT bring common sense to this conversation! The natives are restless, ******!

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

4th series, no issues with Dak's reads. Free whiffed on Pierre Paul that destoyed one play. Up until this point, the play calling has been decent, we are at a 50-50 run pass split and Dal has not really made a bad decision. A couple plays he might have had better options. I would have liked to see more getting Dak on the edge more.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

5th series. Here comes Air Coryell. First down we tried a double move to Williams, not open, thrown away. Second down, bootleg left. Hits open Witten short, Beasley was 10 yds deeper and wide open. Bad checkdown. We try a screen on third that gets blown up.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

6th series. We score a FG. Several blocking breakdowns. No bad decisions IMO by Dak.

7th series. First play, has Williams open early crossing and doesn't see him. Pressure gets to him then tries to hit Williams late. Holding penalty on collins. Dak should have hit Williams early. Linnehan getting pass happy with lead in our own side of field. Just ugly playcalling culminating in Witten screen.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

This is the series to me that loses the game. Eighth series. We get ball back at our 25 with around 6 minutes left. To me, this is where we need to grind out a long drive ending in TD or FG leaving Giants with little time.

1-10-25D Dak under center, 12 formation with TE on each side of line. Giants have 8 in the box. Witten motions to left wing, he and Collins miss block, Zeke gets stuffed.
2-10-25D Shotgun, 11 personnel. Witten slot rt, Dez and then Williams wide, Beasley split out left. Dez goes upfield with Williams running slant under him. Dez has man coverage playing trail with safety over the top. Dak tries to force to Dez. Williams was wide open on slant. Early pressure but looks like Dak was going Dez's way the whole time....like he determined pre snap that is where he was throwing.
3-10-25D Shotgun, 11 personnel with Witten strong L, Beasley wide left, Williams in slot R and Dez wide R. Free gets bullrushed back into Dak's face, Dak makes great arm only throw to Williams on the out for a first down. Big time play by Dak.
1-10-35D Dak under center, 13 personnel, Witt and Escobar tight right, Swaim tight left. Stretch play, Collins and Swaim miss blocks, Zeke loses 5, holding on Collins moves us back more.
1-20-25D Shotgun, 11 personnel, . Butler wide left, Beasley slot and Witten tight. Dunbar motions to rt slot, Dez wide Rt. Free beaten immediately inside, Dak has to let it go, overthrows.
2-20-25D Shotgun. Spread offense. Beasley slot rt, Dez wide rt. Witten tight left, Lucky slot and Williams wide. Free beaten immediately outside, Dak steps up, avoids JPP swatting at ball, scrambles right and tries to hit Beasley going back towards middle of field against his body. Might have had nice gain if he could have got ball further inside but was running for life.
3-20-25D Shotgun, 11 personnel. Witten strong rt with Dez wide rt. Giants bring zone blitz, forcing quick throw.

To me this drive was the game killer. Started with Collins hold and Free getting whipped. I can't fault Dak at all. OL blew it big time.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Final drive. Not a great series. Dak made a couple of poor throws. I think sunlight issue overstated, only one play that it affected anything. People forget Martin's dumb false start....cost us 5 yds. All things remaining equal....that would have been 5 yards closer. The little things keep biting this team in the butt.

Overall, I think Dak did a great job. Maybe about 5 plays that I think he made a bad choice, not too bad to be honest. They need to move receivers around some. We ran no rub routes, almost no slants. I long for the days of Aikman to Irvin on a skinny post.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

What an amazing finish this would have been. Beasley was open immediately and it would have been a pitch and catch score. Worst case scenario Beasley is caught around the 10 and we win on fg.



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Rewatched this on all 22. We know why Dak didn't see Beasley. Free whiffed and there was immediate pressure on Dak. Dak stepped up and rolled right, had a LB in his face approaching him and had to let it go. I think he should have seen Bryant though who at that moment had broke free completely. Would have been an off balance throw but he really could have lobbed it. As the play went, I don't think he ever would have had a chance to see Beasley, looks like progression was to the right and then with scramble he never had chance to look left. Never would have seen Butler over there either.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

no it was an incomplete to witten, terrible throw. He almost led witten right into another spleen problem.

How he didn't see Beasley or butler is the head scratcher to me. he threw Beasley the ball all day.

It's clear when you watch the video why he didn't see them. His progression started to right and he had immediate pressure. Never had a chance to look left.