Dak vs Wentz comparison thread **merged**

[marchetta]

That's my takeaway. He's going to get killed. On three scrambles last night he took unnecessary hits.

But the kid clearly has talent. The Eagles allow him, as a rookie, to make a lot of line calls and he appears to be making a lot of good decisions. He clearly has an arm that can make all throws. He's shown touch, a live arm, etc. And he stands in the pocket and delivers the ball in the face of pressure.

I know some fans want to downplay him but they way I look at it, if Wentz was doing that for us, those same people would be downright giddy.

Exactly, Wentz doesn't know how to avoid the big hits. He's been hit harder than any QB this year. I watched him break his ribs during the preseason, and was shocked that he was able to get up after the hit. I commented immediately that he was lucky to not be injured. A minute later, he was on the sidelines taking off his pads with a broken rib. He's relied on his size in college to absorb those hits. But, in the pros, that's not going to work. He stands in the pocket, and continually take those kill shots, his availability/effectiveness will be compromised. He's built long and tall, which presents an easy target for defenders to hit. While Dak has a more compact and thickly build, which presents defenders with a smaller target. Also, Dak has a large lower body, which allows him to break tackles. I've already seen Wentz take at least 4 kill shots, while I haven't seen Dak take any. Dak knows when to slide and how to use his mobility to avoid those hits. While Wentz continues to take those hits. Time will tell, but Dak's career will surpass Wentz based on Dak's abiity to avoid the big hit and Wentz's inability to do so.

 

[NickZepp]

Who cares...its a 1st rounder. You seem to think the Eagles are going to finish 2-14 which I can tell you right this second won't happen.

I would guess about 5-11 or around there.

 

[Sydla]

Again look at the next 10 games. All divisional games on the road. Steelers, @ Lions, @ Commanders, Vikings, @ Cowboys, @ Giants, Falcons, @ Seahawks, Packers, @ Bengals.

Falcons is winnable and @ Lions and @ Commanders are winnable. Rest of em will be pretty big dogs. I don't see em beatin Green Bay or Pittsburgh, probably won't score against Minnesota.

They can beat us too. I could easily seem them getting to 7 or 8 wins. That would have htem outside the Top 10 based on last year's records. They have a very good defense that should keep them in games and if Wentz continues to play like this, they absolutely can get to 7 wins IMO.

 

[xkj1985x]

I would guess about 5-11 or around there.

Okay.

Who cares if they gave up a pick in the 9-12 range but picked one up in the lets just say the....25-32 range but have their QB of the future.

That seems like a decent deal.

 

[NickZepp]

Also pretty big difference what you can get at say 8-10 and 25 or so.

 

[Sydla]

I would guess about 5-11 or around there.

They have two wins now. They can beat the Skins. They can beat the Lions. They can beat the Falcons. They can beat us. They can beat the Giants IMO.

They'll get more than 5 wins for sure. Well unless Wentz gets hurt. Daniel is trash.

 

[Sydla]

Also pretty big difference what you can get at say 8-10 and 25 or so.

Maybe but the price they paid for Wentz isn't nearly as high today as it was say two months ago.

The reality is their GM did one heck of a job landing what looks to be franchise QB without giving up the entire farm to do it.

 

[NickZepp]

Wentz was the best QB in the draft so he will probably be worth it in the long run. It'll still be tough because Philly still lacks talent in a lot of areas.

 

[Sydla]

Wentz was the best QB in the draft so he will probably be worth it in the long run. It'll still be tough because Philly still lacks talent in a lot of areas.

So do we.

 

[popp1234]

How would you like to be the Rams brain trust answering this question.
That Jeff fisher......

Still early, but ouch!

 

[NickZepp]

So do we.

Philly doesn't have Elliott at RB. Just a couple okay RBs in Mathews and Sproles, I bet our 2nd RB in Morris starts for them now. Their WRs drop more balls than anyone in the league. We've got Dez Bryant one of the best in the game and Beasley is probably Philly's best WR if he's there.

Dallas also as Sean Lee alone better than anyone on Philly's D. But I also take Dallas' DBs all of em over Philly's. I will agree Dallas front 7 has holes. It'll get better with guys returning from suspension for Dallas. But DLine is probably the biggest weakness on Dallas' roster.

Philly lacks talent at WR, OL and just about all levels of defense. And don't have a difference maker at RB.

 

[Sydla]

I still don't understand how Jeff Fisher keeps his job.

 

[Direwolf63]

I like Dak, but Wentz has a much higher ceiling. I really wanted the Cowboys to move up to get him and hate the fact we are going to play him twicw a year. He's going to be very good. Hopefully Dak can match him.

 

[Sydla]

Philly doesn't have Elliott at RB. Just a couple okay RBs in Mathews and Sproles, I bet our 2nd RB in Morris starts for them now. Their WRs drop more balls than anyone in the league. We've got Dez Bryant one of the best in the game and Beasley is probably Philly's best WR if he's there.

Dallas also as Sean Lee alone better than anyone on Philly's D. But I also take Dallas' DBs all of em over Philly's. I will agree Dallas front 7 has holes. It'll get better with guys returning from suspension for Dallas. But DLine is probably the biggest weakness on Dallas' roster.

And now I know you are a total homer. Because what you just said is beyond laughable.

- Lee is better than anyone on Philly's D? Ever hear of Fletcher Cox?
- You will take all of the Cowboys secondary over Philly's? Philly has one of the better safety combos in the league. Both are much better than Church. Philly's CBs are weak but ours aren't any great shakes.
- The Eagles defensive front seven is so much better than ours. They have better DTs, better DEs and better LBs as a group.

I suspect we will split with them.

 

[Joe Realist]

It will come down to Jan 1 for division between Eagles and Cowboys and Eagles will have a much bigger advantage in rest.

 

[Direwolf63]

Dak round 4 Wentz round 1.
Nuff said.

Where they are picked no longer matters. They are both on the field. Both are playing. Now all that matters is who will be a better players for their team.

 

[Sydla]

It will come down to Jan 1 for division between Eagles and Cowboys and Eagles will have a much bigger advantage in rest.

Right now, I think the Giants are the best team in the division. They'll get stronger as the year goes on as the defense starts to gel more.

 

[egn22]

The Wentz worship on this site is unreal. Dak threw for nearly 100 more yards than Wentz, but Wentz gets the 'real deal' label while we need to pump our breaks on Dak and be skeptical.

The only thing we haven't really seen from Dak in an actual game yet is him launching the ball down the field and that probably has as much to do with the coaching staff than him since we seen him do it in preseason. How does he not have Wentz's passing ability when he threw for nearly 300 yards last game with no interceptions last game? He put up 19 points and would have possibly beat the Giants, the same team that held Drew Brees to 13 points, if Terrance Williams gets out of bounds.

If Dak had the same game as Wentz last night, he'd be called a dink and dunk game manager around here who can only throw for touchdowns if the defense puts him at the 2 yard line. Wentz gets to play two of the lesser teams in the league and has an amazing defense to keep him free of pressure. He also has a coach that doesn't baby him and can actually draw up an offensive game plan that doesn't simply involve receivers trying to beat their man. We'll see how he does when he starts playing tougher teams, especially divisional teams. Wentz better learn how to slide before he gets knocked out of the game, because right now he's a big hit magnet.

Now Wentz has the tools to be a great quarterback, but he's judged on a completely different metric than Dak, and I'm guessing because he's the quarterback many actually wanted to draft.

 

[egn22]

There is no "at this point" about it. Prescott will always have an inferior arm and the things people praise Prescott for Wentz also has in spades.

He's the real deal. Complete package. Superior player.

Hope he gets hurt. That's what we're left with.

Calling BS on this. Dak played lights out in preseason and good enough to be 2-0 if not for key drops. Hes passed and rushed for more yards, and has a higher completion percentage. He's poised, durable, dual threat, great leadership, was a winner in college and played against superior competition.

No way in the world anyone can take what we've seen so far and conclude that Wentz is superior.
Dak currently has a higher QB rating and has played against tougher teams.

The fact that this needs to be explained to Cowboys fans on a Cowboys forum is mind boggling. Give me Dak every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

 

[Sydla]

Calling BS on this. Dak played lights out in preseason and good enough to be 2-0 if not for key drops. Hes passed and rushed for more yards, and has a higher completion percentage. He's poised, durable, dual threat, great leadership, was a winner in college and played against superior competition.

No way in the world anyone can take what we've seen so far and conclude that Wentz is superior.
Dak currently has a higher QB rating and has played against tougher teams.

The fact that this needs to be explained to Cowboys fans on a Cowboys forum is mind boggling. Give me Dak every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Just curious.

Pick a defense. Ours or Philly's.