Dak's future with the New York Giants? Trade possibility?

[Birch_Wood]

Dak has a no trade clause, and I would guess he won't waive it to join an organization that's somehow worse than Dallas with a fanbase that will boo him in New York and the New York media will roast him alive.

"an organization that's somehow worse than Dallas" hahaha that says it all.

 

[KingCorcoran]

That no trade clause means nothing. If the owner says he wants you gone, why would a player want to stay? Just get traded, keep your money, and you get to go somewhere you are wanted.

Having that in a contract is just stupid. If Jerry and Stephen wanted Dak gone or traded he would be (they love him)

If Jerry Jones wants him gone Dak can simply say “so what?” Jerry can cut him and he becomes a free agent immediately. I’m sure Dak already would like to be gone, but he wants control of his career even more. He’ll stick with the Cowboys until they offer him a deal he deems acceptable or he becomes a free agent. There will be no trade. Precisely why he wanted the no trade clause in the first place. Go buy another Cowboys logo key chain.

 

[Jayinem]

That no trade clause means nothing. If the owner says he wants you gone, why would a player want to stay? Just get traded, keep your money, and you get to go somewhere you are wanted.

Having that in a contract is just stupid. If Jerry and Stephen wanted Dak gone or traded he would be (they love him)

It could be a negotiation, but what it's not is Jerry tells Dak where to go and Dak blindly listens.

 

[plymkr]

Ok this is Fish live at 6am show, he is talking about a article David Helman wrote on the giants being a good spot for dak, now or when he is a FA.
Fish says the cowboys need to get off the fence and trade him now, or pay him what he wants.

It is rare for a QB to go to a div rival , I doubt the jones would do this unless they got some good picks.
I might trade Dak for JOnes, and some picks like 2nd and lower, maybe next year or year after.

Jones might do good here, but I know a lot of zoners dont care for him.
Would you rather have Jones and some picks ? Or Dak and a big contract?
Jones could be a stop gap till they draft a new guy? It would be different and more exciting, than more years with dak.

Lets face it, they either get rid of Dak or sign him for 4-5 more years.
Fish said at one point if they trade dak or let him walk they could have 100 mil in cap room for 2025.
Dallas could do a lot with that if they were smart lol, some question as to if they are smart or not.

Anyway something to discuss, and the show was laid back and funny.
Fish said it might be click bait, but it isnt his click bait , he is just reporting on the cb article.

I rewatched this video and had a couple more thoughts.
1. Fish is not a comedian or a singer and his attempts to be funny are extremely cringey. Dude just stick to the news and leave the comedy/singing to the professionals.

2. Leverage. The end point he made about leverage is dead on. I didn’t learn much in college TBH. I just coasted through but there was one thing I learned in one of my psychology classes. Professor was discussing relationships and she said something that I’ve never forgotten. The person who has the power in the relationship is the one that can leave it first. Jerry and Stephen have leverage if they decide they don’t want Dak back and vice versa. All this talk about NTC and salary cap is just talk. True power in any relationship is the one that can walk away first.

 

[Wildcat711]

Stephen was on Mad Dog Radio.. saying that a deal with DP is a priority.. it just takes time.

He also said that the org believes he can win a SB.

I tend to believe that a lil more than this.

Edit.. oops didnt see the thread all about this.. my bad

 

[plymkr]

How does a Bears fan have the temerity to speak ill of any of the other 31 NFL franchises? The Chicago Bears are the worst franchise in the league. They have been since dirt was invented.

I agree and throw this back at them all the time. Their hatred for the Cowboys is almost delusional. But yeah you can hear me say “85 and out” in all of my conversations with Bears’ fans.

Bears’ fan, “Dak Prescott sucks and he’ll never win anything”
My response, “85 and out, haven’t seen you since, Say hi to Red Grossman for me”

That usually ends the conversation, lol

 

[shabazz]

There’s bozos on this board that would swap Dak for Daniel Jones in a heartbeat.

What about the bozos that want to keep Dak at around 60 mil for losing games when it counts going on nine years now? lol

No Dak....No Jones......No mas

 

[plasticman]

No. It's not possible. They are not going to trade their QB.

Even if Trey Lance goes undefeated in the preseason while throwing four TD's a game, the Cowboys will never trade Dak.

Jerry Jones's window is closing. Trading Dak would all but super glue the hinges.

 

[mattjames2010]

If Jerry Jones wants him gone Dak can simply say “so what?” Jerry can cut him and he becomes a free agent immediately. I’m sure Dak already would like to be gone, but he wants control of his career even more. He’ll stick with the Cowboys until they offer him a deal he deems acceptable or he becomes a free agent. There will be no trade. Precisely why he wanted the no trade clause in the first place. Go buy another Cowboys logo key chain.

The argument here is if Jerry actually wanted Dak gone - for whatever reason. If Dak knows the owner doesn't want him and there is NO potential for an extended contract....why would he stay? Let's say, hypothetically, we believe in Trey Lance and we want to start him because he is younger with more upside....why would Dak stay? He might as well find a team that wants him, get traded to a team that wants him and potentially extend him while keeping the guaranteed money of his current contract....

That's the argument I am making and the only way Dak goes anywhere anyways. If Trey Lance doesn't show anything, Dak is getting his extension.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Stop reading at Fish.

LOL, this

 

[mattjames2010]

It could be a negotiation, but what it's not is Jerry tells Dak where to go and Dak blindly listens.

Dak shouldn't protest much either way. If the owner wants you gone, especially if it's due to them having a younger guy they believe in - all he has to do is go to the team that wants him the most, would keep a large % of the money on his current contract, and still hit the FA market eventually.

This ALL hinges on how Jones' and the coaching staff feel about Trey Lance. This is all hypothetical, but my core point was if Jerry and Stephen want him gone he would be gone. The whole "NTC" doesn't mean much at all. Dak would still get his money, would potentially be a FA soon in the future anyways, but he'd go to a team that would want him and have him start.

 

[5Stars]

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Ok this is Fish live at 6am show, he is talking about a article David Helman wrote on the giants being a good spot for dak, now or when he is a FA.
Fish says the cowboys need to get off the fence and trade him now, or pay him what he wants.

It is rare for a QB to go to a div rival , I doubt the jones would do this unless they got some good picks.
I might trade Dak for JOnes, and some picks like 2nd and lower, maybe next year or year after.

Jones might do good here, but I know a lot of zoners dont care for him.
Would you rather have Jones and some picks ? Or Dak and a big contract?
Jones could be a stop gap till they draft a new guy? It would be different and more exciting, than more years with dak.

Lets face it, they either get rid of Dak or sign him for 4-5 more years.
Fish said at one point if they trade dak or let him walk they could have 100 mil in cap room for 2025.
Dallas could do a lot with that if they were smart lol, some question as to if they are smart or not.

Anyway something to discuss, and the show was laid back and funny.
Fish said it might be click bait, but it isnt his click bait , he is just reporting on the cb article.

No way, talk about off season chatter, lol, really stretching there for a story lol

 

[KingCorcoran]

The argument here is if Jerry actually wanted Dak gone - for whatever reason. If Dak knows the owner doesn't want him and there is NO potential for an extended contract....why would he stay? Let's say, hypothetically, we believe in Trey Lance and we want to start him because he is younger with more upside....why would Dak stay? He might as well find a team that wants him, get traded to a team that wants him and potentially extend him while keeping the guaranteed money of his current contract....

That's the argument I am making and the only way Dak goes anywhere anyways. If Trey Lance doesn't show anything, Dak is getting his extension.

29 million reasons and the knowledge if the Cowboys cut him they eat the cap hit all at once and don’t even get a 3rd round comp draft pick for him. Nonetheless, I think the Cowboys should cut Dak Prescott, now, find out what Lance can do (which I suspect isn’t very much) and then look to a future without Dak Prescott. That’s what I think the Cowboys should do. I doubt Jerry Jones agrees with what I think.

 

[Chasing6]

I don’t know. The Giants were dumb enough to give Daniel Jones $40 million a year coming off a season where he threw 15 TD passes in 16 games. Just imagine what they would have given DJ if he had thrown 36 TDs like Dak just did.

He is actually making more than Dak. Dak is just a higher salary cap because of all of the restructuring.

 

[Chasing6]

If Jerry Jones wants him gone Dak can simply say “so what?” Jerry can cut him and he becomes a free agent immediately. I’m sure Dak already would like to be gone, but he wants control of his career even more. He’ll stick with the Cowboys until they offer him a deal he deems acceptable or he becomes a free agent. There will be no trade. Precisely why he wanted the no trade clause in the first place. Go buy another Cowboys logo key chain.

But another 10 threads will be started before the trade deadline.

 

[Bagman]

Sure, if the Cowboys don't extend CeeDee, Micah or Dak, they could have $100 million in CAP space in 2025. Then what? The object of the game is not who has the most CAP space, it is who wins football games.

We have not met either objective. We don't have the cap space AND we don't win big games

 

[mattjames2010]

29 million reasons and the knowledge if the Cowboys cut him they eat the cap hit all at once and don’t even get a 3rd round comp draft pick for him. Nonetheless, I think the Cowboys should cut Dak Prescott, now, find out what Lance can do (which I suspect isn’t very much) and then look to a future without Dak Prescott. That’s what I think the Cowboys should do. I doubt Jerry Jones agrees with what I think.

...they wouldn't be cutting him in this scenario. The only way we want to get rid of Dak is if Stephen and Jerry see something in Lance. It would be a trade. So either Dak would be relegated to an exensive clip board holder for a season here or he would be traded to a team that wants him. It would effectively be Dak out of football for a year. There wouldn't be a downside for Dak in this situation - he could go to another team for a season, still take a good chunk of the money on his contract, and if he doesn't get extended with the team he is traded to he can hit FA anyways.

But that's a hypothetical and only me countering the "No trade clause" - it doesn't mean much because both parties would find a team for the trade in this QB desperate league.

 

[KingCorcoran]

...they wouldn't be cutting him in this scenario. The only way we want to get rid of Dak is if Stephen and Jerry see something in Lance. It would be a trade. So either Dak would be relegated to an exensive clip board holder for a season here or he would be traded to a team that wants him. It would effectively be Dak out of football for a year. There wouldn't be a downside for Dak in this situation - he could go to another team for a season, still take a good chunk of the money on his contract, and if he doesn't get extended with the team he is traded to he can hit FA anyways.

But that's a hypothetical and only me countering the "No trade clause" - it doesn't mean much because both parties would find a team for the trade in this QB desperate league.

If the Cowboys don’t have Prescott they are the most “QB desperate” team in the league. Dak will honor his contract regardless of circumstance. He’s no fool. He’ll do whatever he has to do to reach free agent status. And if Jerry Jones indicates he does not want Dak Prescott and is willing to bench him, Dak’s gesture in return will to be, unlike Jerry Jones, the consummate professional. He will not, however, agree to let Jones use him to improve the Cowboys. Dak Prescott has done more to win football games than Jerry Jones ever has. And any petty gesture from a scotch swilling ignorant old man like Jerry Jones is not going to get the best of Prescott. Dak is going to win his next contract negotiation with one of the 32 teams and he’s going to win huge. Benched by the Cowboys no one will have ever held a clip board for 18 weeks with a bigger smile on their face than Dak Prescott.

 

[mattjames2010]

If the Cowboys don’t have Prescott they are the most “QB desperate” team in the league. Dak will honor his contract regardless of circumstance. He’s no fool. He’ll do whatever he has to do to reach free agent status. And if Jerry Jones indicates he does not want Dak Prescott and is willing to bench him, Dak’s gesture in return will to be, unlike Jerry Jones, the consummate professional. He will not, however, agree to let Jones use him to improve the Cowboys. Dak Prescott has done more to win football games than Jerry Jones ever has. And any petty gesture from a scotch swilling ignorant old man like Jerry Jones is not going to get the best of Prescott. Dak is going to win his next contract negotiation with one of the 32 teams and he’s going to win huge. Benched by the Cowboys no one will have ever held a clip board for 18 weeks with a bigger smile on their face than Dak Prescott.

Dak will reach FA status whichever way....

I am giving the only hypothetical way we even consider ridding of Dak. If we don't see anything in Lance, Dak is getting an extension. If we see something in Lance, Dak has zero leverage. He's gone. So he'd either be out of football for a year holding a clipboard or he goes to another team plays for a year and gets an extension from them or hits FA.

And all Dak has is failures in the playoffs. From an individual player standpoint, Dak has absolutely failed in crucial moments. You're off base here.