Dallas Cowboys receiver Dez Bryant sued by state Sen. Royce West

[plasticman]

Most congressmen are former attorneys. And they all realize that you ask for a lot more than you expect to receive because it leaves room for negotiation.

With that said, the place looks awful. Okay, he's a kid, but you mean to tell me there wasn't somebody he trusted that was willing to point this out? I mean, pay for the repairs before you leave, who in their right mind is going to believe that he left that house in acceptable condition?

I would say ten thousand to the right company wouyld have set things right. Now, he's got more bad publicity. A guy like him should be soaking up the big advertising contracts but a lot of them are going to stay away from him.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Not true.

If it is found that the repair bill is actually worth $10k it hurts West's credibility in the case. Dez could still have to pay the $10k of repair bills, but anytime you have legal disputes like this and one side is caught being less than truthful, it hurts their case.

Two things can be equally true. The court can rule the defendant is at fault but rule for a lesser amount. This happens ALL THE TIME in court; the plaintiff wins the ruling (defendant pays), but the ruling isn't for the requested amount.

I don't think he had any involvement. I just don't imagine any millionaire living in squalor. I think he left the residence and somebody (i.e. squatters) and/or something (i.e. rodents) were able to get into the residence and destroy the place.

I think it's clear you've made your mind up on the matter. You're speculation is textbook special pleading...."squatters.....rodents....anybody or anything but Dez was involved!'

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

FYI - Behr has as many color choices as SW or BM. You shouldn't need to go to a specialty store if you are content with Behr.

As someone who has renovated residential properties and worked with contractors, you'd be hard pressed to find a good, high quality paint contractor that thinks Behr is as good as BM or SW or other higher end paints. And before you think they push the more expensive paints because it makes them more money, the margins on the paints is pretty standard across the board.

Behr isn't a bad product especially at it's price point. But you won't see it used a lot in higher end homes by quality painters. Tends to be thinner than other paints often requiring more coats and you get far more inconsistency in the paints from can to can than you would using a higher end paint.

Consumer Reports actually tests things empirically and while their stuff is behind a paywall if you google it you can find stuff like

http://counton2.com/2016/04/12/consumer-reports-top-paint-for-any-room/

confirming it. CR specifically talks about how its the best at covering in a single coat and the like flying in the face of your assertion.

My family owns an HVAC company and I spent the summers in my younger years working in the office, as a contractor etc. Given what I know about how contractors sell things and mark things up I find your position amusing.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This would be a fantastic point if I was defending Wells or West. But I am not.

Just pointing out that while you guys are so quick to point out the foibles and flaws of West/Wells that Bryant is no saint here himself and has issues in the past where he's shown lack of maturity and responsibility.

Well other than the jewelry and him having to get loans because they wouldn't let him at his money what point do you have? Nothing.

 

[Sydla]

Well other than the jewelry and him having to get loans because they wouldn't let him at his money what point do you have? Nothing.

LOL at you brushing that aside like he failed to pay back a $150 Comcast bill. Or failing to mention any of his other issues that have shown him to be immature or irresponsible.

You are right, he's quite the saint. No way he could have damaged this home.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oh I know Consumer Reports thinks highly of Behr paints. I've actually used it myself in some rooms. Their exterior paint isn't too bad either.

All I can tell you is real world. If you don't believe me, just google Behr versus SW or BM and you'll see for yourself. Behr has it's place but not a lot of quality painters use it.

And you can deny it all you want but the markup for paints by contractors is fairly standard. So it's not like a contractor would make $5 on Behr but then make $30 on Benjamin Moore.

PS - CR isn't infallible. They've made mistakes in the past. They had a big issue with car seats where they erroneously reported the wrong data. They had to pull the article and print a retraction to its subscribers. They also made a claim that certain hybrids wouldn't save you money but then realized they screwed up and their data was wrong.

I have. My point is that for anyone else reading is that CR are an objective source. They tested the paint for thickness and everything else and say you are wrong. There is no retraction from this report which was a couple of years ago. You can be fallible too and they have a whole team of scientists and engineers working for them, Mr. Hubris.

I'm very reluctant to share personal information on here. You don't hear me talking about my family or anything else personal here because of what I've seen a certain group of people do in the past. Youre making the mistake that I have no experience and you couldn't be more wrong.

 

[zrinkill]

I think it's clear you've made your mind up on the matter.

I think the same could be said about you.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOL at you brushing that aside like he failed to pay back a $150 Comcast bill. Or failing to mention any of his other issues that have shown him to be immature or irresponsible.

You are right, he's quite the saint. No way he could have damaged this home.

Are you going to acknowledge the board of directors situation or just keep repeating yourself like a fool?

Since he went with Roc Nation the 'irresponsibility' stories went away until of course his old representation came back into the picture.

 

[Sydla]

I have. My point is that for anyone else reading is that CR are an objective source. They tested the paint for thickness and everything else and say you are wrong. There is no retraction from this report which was a couple of years ago. You can be fallible too and they have a whole team of scientists and engineers working for them, Mr. Hubris.

I'm very reluctant to share personal information on here. You don't hear me talking about my family or anything else personal here because of what I've seen a certain group of people do in the past. Youre making the mistake that I have no experience and you couldn't be more wrong.

This is taking this thread way off track but................ Markup on materials for a painter is usually just a standard percentage they apply regardless of the paint. 10%, 25%, whatever they typically charge. They don't mark up BM 40% and Behr only 5%. If that's what you think than so be it.

You using the word hubris to describe someone might be the funniest thing said in this entire thread. Well done.

 

[Sydla]

I think the same could be said about you.

I could be wrong but isn't his mind set on the fact that we don't really know the true extent of the damage, the real costs and who really is to blame?

Seems to me that should be the perfect mind set at this point.

 

[Sydla]

Are you going to acknowledge the board of directors situation or just keep repeating yourself like a fool?

Since he went with Roc Nation the 'irresponsibility' stories went away until of course his old representation came back into the picture.

Why would I acknowledge the Board of Directors situation when I've already said that Wells and West aren't saints here? If you somehow thought that I believe those two to be good upstanding naïve citizens who seem to have been taken advantage of by big bad Dez Bryant, then you haven't been paying attention.

In fact, I've said the opposite. I tend to think West used Bryant damaging his home to upgrade certain things and try to pass those costs off on Bryant. I think Bryant or his people messed the house up pretty bad and West then exploited that to upgrade.......... maybe better flooring, carpet, etc. As I said, I suspect this thing gets settled quietly probably for less than the $60M West wants and for a lot more than the couple of thousand people think there really is in damages based on a handful of photos.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Why would anyone care even if he exagerated the repair costs. Should the owner go around to Home Depot and all these different stores trying to find the cheapest way to do the repairs so Dez has to pay less? From the pictures it looks like most of the inside of the house was trashed. I could see 60k. I could definitely see 40k. So it was 40k and he said it was 60k? Either way who cares? Dez Trashed the house that is all that matters.

These guys have to adhere to a rigid thought process in order to rationalize the evidence/information presented in this matter.

It's starts with a premise they won't ever consider abandoning: Dez MUST be innocent or not responsible of any wrongdoing in any matter.

• They purposely take the narrow and completely baseless viewpoint that the photos in the article MUST be an exhaustive account of all the damage done to the property.
• They've concluded the only damage done was to the carpet and drywall and that there is no justification for the stated damages (~$60K).
• They refuse to acknowledge that additional damage may be done that can't be seen in the photos, such as damage to the flooring or subflooring and the scale of repair costs for a 6,400 SF house.
• FuzzyLogic continues to laughably claim (of course without any support of evidence) that the photos were leaked, but failing to realize these particular court docs are public record.
• They equate motive mongering (i.e. "West/Wells are just trying to do Dez wrong") as objective fact.

As to your point about exaggerated repair costs....they don't get that either. It was explained to them early on that is standard procedure in these types of property/damage law suits. You ALWAYS ask for the highest amount with hopes the judge awards the requested amount, or at the very least, a certain percentage below the amount. Only an idiot would come in with the lowest estimate.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Uh huh. You remind me of politicians who make arguments all one way but reject the unpopular conclusion.

And 'repair' assumes damage done, chachi. As opposed to an improvement or renovation.

What we have of West's case does not justify civil liability to Bryant for that amount.

You remind of a guy working the fryer at a Whataburger.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is taking this thread way off track but................ Markup on materials for a painter is usually just a standard percentage they apply regardless of the paint. 10%, 25%, whatever they typically charge. They don't mark up BM 40% and Behr only 5%. If that's what you think than so be it.

You using the word hubris to describe someone might be the funniest thing said in this entire thread. Well done.

And if Behr starts out less expensive than the others then with the same markup which one makes more money?

Then there is the issue if they have a wholesale agreement with a manufacturer. They are still going to list as retail. It goes on and on. The point is don't take a contractor at their word pretty much ever. Same goes for realtors, lawyers, and politicians. They are trying to maximize profits.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's starts with a premise they won't ever consider abandoning: Dez MUST be innocent or not responsible of any wrongdoing in any matter.

I quit reading after this strawman. If you cannot argue honestly then I'm not going to waste my time. All you do is come across as salty fwiw.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why would I acknowledge the Board of Directors situation when I've already said that Wells and West aren't saints here? If you somehow thought that I believe those two to be good upstanding naïve citizens who seem to have been taken advantage of by big bad Dez Bryant, then you haven't been paying attention.

In fact, I've said the opposite. I tend to think West used Bryant damaging his home to upgrade certain things and try to pass those costs off on Bryant. I think Bryant or his people messed the house up pretty bad and West then exploited that to upgrade.......... maybe better flooring, carpet, etc. As I said, I suspect this thing gets settled quietly probably for less than the $60M West wants and for a lot more than the couple of thousand people think there really is in damages based on a handful of photos.

Because they are just as culpable in what went on. If Dez is irresponsible then so are they. What you should do is drop that line of argument.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I quit reading after this strawman. If you cannot argue honestly then I'm not going to waste my time. All you do is come across as salty fwiw.

I quit taking you serious once you showed that you've already got your mind made up (see your post #133 from way back) and incapable of being intellectually honest.

I'm not going to say Dez is without faults but when the alternative is West and I'm forced to choose I know which side I fall on.

 

[Sydla]

Because they are just as culpable in what went on. If Dez is irresponsible then so are they. What you should do is drop that line of argument.

Again, who said West and Wells are free from responsibility here? I certainly didn't.

My gut tells me West used Bryant trashing his home to his advantage. Doesn't change the fact that Bryant acted like an irresponsible fool that allowed a property rented in his name to get damaged beyond the BS claims people have tried to make that this is somewhat standard damage to be expected from a tenant turnover.

 

[Nightman]

Dez is not the kind of person to wipe mud all over someone's couch for no reason....there is more to this story.....where is Charlie Murphy when you need him????

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Again, who said West and Wells are free from responsibility here? I certainly didn't.

He made $10m of his rookie contract and they didn't have him buy his own home when homes depressed in value following the crash. Instead they had him pay West's mortgage. they've been milking him over this house from the beginning. With that in mind, I look at how Wells and West would use power of attorney to steal from Dez and then cut him off from being able to pay his debts and leaking it to the public. It goes far beyond 'responsibility.'

As long as you quit bringing up the jewelry and loans particularly in this context then I'm happy though.