Dallas has made serious offer to Dez, Waiting for agents

[Doomsday101]

Maybe he wants Romo money. Then what?

Then he walks, I would not let Dez or any player hold Dallas Hostage. Giving a WR that kind of money is stupid, hell for that price I can go out and get a couple of pretty darn good WR in FA market. Pats and Seahawks were in the SB I don't see a WR like Dez on either of those teams so yes a team can win without an elite WR. Especially if you can run the ball and keep your team in down and distance that is beneficial to moving the chains. Cards and Det both have paid kings ransom for CJ and Fitz and while their individual numbers are great I don’t see those teams in SB’s I would hope Dallas would not pay that for Dez because it gets us no closer to a SB

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Been pretty consistent on this. If Dez doesn't want to sign, then franchise him and trade him. It would certainly hurt in the short term but in the long term, it might actually work out better.

 

[Jenky]

Then he walks, I would not let Dez or any player hold Dallas Hostage. Giving a WR that kind of money is stupid, hell for that price I can go out and get a couple of pretty darn good WR in FA market. Pats and Seahawks were in the SB I don't see a WR like Dez on either of those teams so yes a team can win without an elite WR. Especially if you can run the ball and keep your team in down and distance that is beneficial to moving the chains. Cards and Det both have paid kings ransom for CJ and Fitz and while their individual numbers are great I don’t see those teams in SB’s I would hope Dallas would not pay that for Dez because it gets us no closer to a SB

Fitzgerald did make it to the Superbowl. They lost to Pittsburgh. There are a lot of good receivers who make it to the big game.

Regardless of what position it is, I think you need to pay talent. How much is a different story. Teams like Seattle pour the majority of their money into the secondary. We would balk at that. Hell, the Patriots did it signing Browner and Revis as well. AND they are about to pay Revis again. Other teams pay wideouts, running backs, etc. Regardless, the majority of teams try to pay their best players.

 

[Doomsday101]

Fitzgerald did make it to the Superbowl. They lost to Pittsburgh. There are a lot of good receivers who make it to the big game.

Regardless of what position it is, I think you need to pay talent. How much is a different story. Teams like Seattle pour the majority of their money into the secondary. We would balk at that. Hell, the Patriots did it signing Browner and Revis as well. AND they are about to pay Revis again. Other teams pay wideouts, running backs, etc. Regardless, the majority of teams try to pay their best players.

Yes they went to a SB but failed to win. I agree you need talent do I pay Dez what I would pay a starting franchise QB? No way. For that money Dallas could get a quality WR and with Romo be able to compete at a high level. I want Dez back but QB money? No way in hell would I pay that to Dez.

Even with Dez Dallas continued to go 8-8, it was not until we put a solid run game out there that the results changed.

 

[Frosty]

Pretty much -- it's simply more than Dallas can afford. Dez is being played by Roc Nation. He's being led by a group that couldn't care less about him or the chances for the C'boys success. It's all about money with them and nothing more. Dez is being led by the nose with greed as the ring to (mis)lead him. It's too bad for all concerned.

Des needs to figure out what he wants, does he want to be Cowboy, a Superbowl ring or just money.....Heck Cleveland has two first round picks, they need a WR and surely will pay the man....but does Dez want to play in Cleveland, Oakland or Dallas?
He needs figure out what he wants....ROC Nation could end up running DEZ out of Dallas....

Simply tell DEZ if he don't like the Cowboys deal, he is free to seek a trade....

 

[Nightman]

Fitzgerald did make it to the Superbowl. They lost to Pittsburgh. There are a lot of good receivers who make it to the big game.

Regardless of what position it is, I think you need to pay talent. How much is a different story. Teams like Seattle pour the majority of their money into the secondary. We would balk at that. Hell, the Patriots did it signing Browner and Revis as well. AND they are about to pay Revis again. Other teams pay wideouts, running backs, etc. Regardless, the majority of teams try to pay their best players.

SEA spent a ton of money and traded draft picks to get and sign Sidney Rice and Percy Harvin. They got almost nothing from them and TE Zach Miller and QB Matt Flynn. They got lucky with Russell Wilson in the 3rd and Richard Sherman in the 5th. Otherwise they drafted well and spent a lot on their DBs. Marshawn Lynch didn't hurt either.

There is no formula to decide on how and where to spend the money. WRs don't keep teams from going to the SB any more than RBs or LTs. Every team is built differently.

 

[Bullflop]

Again, until you know the terms you cant know if he's getting bad advice. We dont know if Dez is asking for Megatron money or if the Cowboys are offering very little guaranteed money. If he's asking for Megatron money then he's getting questionable advice but if the Cowboys are low balling the guaranteed money the hes getting good advice.

Nobody knows the terms that are being proposed by either side other than those involved but the signs aren't encouraging -- let's just put it that way. Jerry and Stephen have routinely been quite generous in the past. The fact that we're not hearing of anything encouraging from them isn't a good sign. They have always been highly upbeat in the past whenever progress is being made. I just hope your unbridled optimism is proven warranted.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It will get worked out, one way or the other. None of this is uncommon in a big contract negotiation. When training camp rolls around and Dez is still doing situps in his driveway, rather then practicing, then you can start to worry.

 

[CF74]

Then he walks, I would not let Dez or any player hold Dallas Hostage. Giving a WR that kind of money is stupid, hell for that price I can go out and get a couple of pretty darn good WR in FA market. Pats and Seahawks were in the SB I don't see a WR like Dez on either of those teams so yes a team can win without an elite WR. Especially if you can run the ball and keep your team in down and distance that is beneficial to moving the chains. Cards and Det both have paid kings ransom for CJ and Fitz and while their individual numbers are great I don’t see those teams in SB’s I would hope Dallas would not pay that for Dez because it gets us no closer to a SB

Only reason the Cards missed it is because their starting QB went down. They were dominant once they got key players back..

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Only reason the Cards missed it is because their starting QB went down. They were dominant once they got key players back..

I absolutely think there is something to this. Had they been able to stay healthy, they would have beaten either Seattle or Green Bay IMO. However, you also have to acknowledge the fact that the contract probably prevented them from having decent players to step in and back up when they sustained injuries. It's not a question of a good WR being able to help a team win games. It's a question of the contracts associated with them preventing teams from adding to a roster and bringing down the overall quality of any given team.

 

[CF74]

I absolutely think there is something to this. Had they been able to stay healthy, they would have beaten either Seattle or Green Bay IMO. However, you also have to acknowledge the fact that the contract probably prevented them from having decent players to step in and back up when they sustained injuries. It's not a question of a good WR being able to help a team win games. It's a question of the contracts associated with them preventing teams from adding to a roster and bringing down the overall quality of any given team.

Every team has key players that make them dominant in certain areas, and those key players typically make a big chunk of the money. That's just what it is.

 

[Doomsday101]

Only reason the Cards missed it is because their starting QB went down. They were dominant once they got key players back..

Fitz has been in the league 11 years. Yes he is great he put up big numbers so does Calvin Johnson but I don't see either of those teams being models in building a SB contender. I want Dez but no way would I pay him franchise QB money the position is not going to carry you to a SB

 

[LatinMind]

Been pretty consistent on this. If Dez doesn't want to sign, then franchise him and trade him. It would certainly hurt in the short term but in the long term, it might actually work out better.

This is the way i feel. Get what you can if you cant agree on a deal you feel comfortable with. Dez value is sky high. You could get somebodys top pick in this draft for him easy. Think the raiders would jump to give Dallas its #5 overall since they most likely are going to take a WR anyways.

 

[CF74]

Fitz has been in the league 11 years. Yes he is great he put up big numbers so does Calvin Johnson but I don't see either of those teams being models in building a SB contender. I want Dez but no way would I pay him franchise QB money the position is not going to carry you to a SB

We have too much money tied up in other players but that's a whole diff discussion. The way this team is set up I don't see us being nearly as successful without Dez.

 

[Doomsday101]

We have too much money tied up in other players but that's a whole diff discussion. The way this team is set up I don't see us being nearly as successful without Dez.

1st off I want Dez back. At all cost? NO This team is setup to run the ball which we did more than we threw the ball and the results were very good as opposed to leading the league in passing that got us 8-8. I think Dallas should give Dez a deal that puts him in top 5 I think that is more than fair. When talking franchise QB money as you mention No way would I do that.

 

[Hoofbite]

10 year contract... for a WR... I hope there isn't a whole lot of guaranteed money in the last few years...

Not sure how there could be. Pretty sure you can only prorate bonuses over a 5 year period, and no way in hell would any team guarantee any part of year 6's base salary.

I honestly can't see why any player would even think a 10-year contract is worth discussing. After about 3 years, all bets are off. It's cap neutral for the Lions to cut Calvin right now. I think it's entirely stupid unless future prorated dollars are built in.

Dez should focus on the first 3-4 years, and if I were him I'd be pushing for a 4th year option bonus even if it meant a smaller signing bonus up front. His guarantees can still be had in base salaries so unless he's worried about his ability to make it that far (legal or otherwise), he'd probably be better off finding a way to push some of the potential dead money into years beyond 4 and 5 when his base salaries are higher. There's no point in arguing over compensation in years that have no penalty to cut you.

 

[Nightman]

Not sure how there could be. Pretty sure you can only prorate bonuses over a 5 year period, and no way in hell would any team guarantee any part of year 6's base salary.

I honestly can't see why any player would even think a 10-year contract is worth discussing. After about 3 years, all bets are off. It's cap neutral for the Lions to cut Calvin right now. I think it's entirely stupid unless future prorated dollars are built in.

Dez should focus on the first 3-4 years, and if I were him I'd be pushing for a 4th year option bonus even if it meant a smaller signing bonus up front. His guarantees can still be had in base salaries so unless he's worried about his ability to make it that far (legal or otherwise), he'd probably be better off finding a way to push some of the potential dead money into years beyond 4 and 5 when his base salaries are higher. There's no point in arguing over compensation in years that have no penalty to cut you.

I've been saying the same thing. Add a option bonus or guarantee the next year's salary if he is still on the team SB Sunday. It splits the risks, but makes Dallas commit earlier than normal FA. Dallas is going to want to limit the dead money with smaller signing bonuses and initial guarantees, but they can make up for it later, similar to Kaepernick's deal.

 

[Nightman]

7/100m 15m sb 20 guarantee

5........................8m cap hit
6........................9m cap
6+10 option.....11m cap after restructure
8.......................13m cap
10+10 option...25m cap before restructure
14......................16m cap
16......................18m cap

that would be:
20m for 1 year with 12m dead money
26m/2 w 9m dead
42m/3 w 14m dead
50m/4 w 9m dead
70m/5 w 10m dead
84m/6 w 5m dead
100m/7 w 0m dead

 

[HappyOnions]

Need a very good reason or this is a bannable offense. I don't currently have the power to ban, but I will find a way, sir.

I just don't think he's going to be worth the money or the supposed on field distractions. He's a phenomenal player, but we have so many other needs that we have to address before giving him a monster contract. 3 players with over $100 million salaries? I don't like the sounds of that...

What if he gets injured or suspended for goodness knows what? We need to focus on building a team. We can win without him, we just need to add more depth on defense. If we can still play with that power running game then our receivers don't need to be superstars. We could get by with the Doug Baldwins and Jermaine Kearses of the league.

Let some other team roll the dice with Dez, I don't think his contract will live up to his play.

Just the way I feel. One great WR isn't going to make or break this team. We need more than just him - the team comes first, not Dez Bryant.

 

[CF74]

1st off I want Dez back. At all cost? NO This team is setup to run the ball which we did more than we threw the ball and the results were very good as opposed to leading the league in passing that got us 8-8. I think Dallas should give Dez a deal that puts him in top 5 I think that is more than fair. When talking franchise QB money as you mention No way would I do that.

Well I disagree completely but to explain why would force me to speak negatively of a certain player that is all but God around here..