DC.COM Blog: A Few Clarifications On Anderson Incident

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Hoofbite;3266473 said:
Well thankfully he didn't point the gun. :rolleyes:

There is only the valets statement that he actually got the gun. Is it that unreasonable to wait for Cricket's side to the story before coming to a conclusion?
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;3266728 said:
There is only the valets statement that he actually got the gun. Is it that unreasonable to wait for Cricket's side to the story before coming to a conclusion?
Maybe it's just me but I am more swayed by the language of the arrest warrant than the valet's story, whatever it is.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;3266728 said:
There is only the valets statement that he actually got the gun. Is it that unreasonable to wait for Cricket's side to the story before coming to a conclusion?

The police found the damn gun in the bushes Fuzzy. How are you going to spin that? If they had found it in the car then there's plausible deniability.

I'm the king of innocent until guilty and maybe I'll hear something to make me less judgmental in this case. But I doubt it.
 

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Hostile;3266729 said:
Maybe it's just me but I am more swayed by the language of the arrest warrant than the valet's story, whatever it is.

Exactly. It's damning.
 

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We have a Sub-Zero emoticon!?!?!

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You can't fix stupid!

Deon Anderson from NFLDS:

Had several off-the-field issues that eventually led to his dismissal in 2005. He was charged with exposing himself in public, had a dorm incident with a girl, another dorm issue where he was kicked out of housing for fighting with another student (stated he was defending a teammate) and was ordered to meet with a psychiatrist and probation officer once a month in 2005.

Is stupidity genetic?

06.03.2004
The Carjacking Murder Trial: Final moments described
* The prosecution tells the jury that defendant Kenneth D. Day said at the scene, "They saw my face. We have to kill them."

By Edward Fitzpatrick
Journal Staff Writer

PROVIDENCE - In the middle of the night, at a desolate golf course construction site, college students Jason Burgeson and Amy Shute clutched each other in fear, begging for their lives.

Gregory J. Floyd brandished a gun while four other men debated whether he should pull the trigger. While one urged him not to do it and another seemed indifferent, two of the men urged Floyd to shoot.

Kenneth D. Day said, "They saw my face. We have to kill them."

Samuel Sanchez said, "Hurry up. What's taking you so long? Give me the gun -- I'll do it."

Day repeated, "They saw my face."

"As Jason and Amy sat crying, pleading, and Amy pulled Jason closer to her, Floyd did it," prosecutor Gerard B. Sullivan said yesterday as Day's murder and carjacking trial began in state Superior Court.

"With the sound of the victims' pleas in one ear, and Kenneth Day's opinion in the other ear, Floyd just did it," Sullivan said. "He pulled the trigger of his .40-caliber Smith & Wesson semiautomatic pistol three times. He discharged three metal-jacketed hollow-point bullets into the heads of Jason Burgeson and Amy Shute and ended their lives."

During a 25-minute opening statement, Sullivan presented the prosecution's account of how Shute and Burgeson were carjacked in Providence and killed at a Johnston golf course on June 9, 2000.

Day's defense lawyer responded with a five-minute opening statement that zeroed in on the credibility of Floyd, the state's key witness.

"The government in this case will call 38 or so witnesses," Joseph L. DeCaporale Jr. said. "I tell you now: You should believe 37 of them because, you see, the government's case is based solely on the testimony of Gregory Floyd."

And, DeCaporale said, "I will argue that his testimony is totally unworthy of belief. His testimony will show he lied on three or four prior occasions."

DeCaporale said there's little disagreement about who committed the crimes or what the forensic evidence will show. But, he said, "in order to convict Kenneth Day you need to believe Gregory Floyd beyond a reasonable doubt."

DeCaporale noted Floyd will not appear in person at Day's trial. At a pretrial hearing on Tuesday, Floyd refused to testify, even refusing to raise his right hand and swear to tell the truth. But Superior Court Presiding Justice Joseph F. Rodgers Jr. ruled that the prosecution could introduce Floyd's prior testimony.

Day, 25, of Providence, is the only one of the five suspects who hasn't pleaded guilty. Floyd, Sanchez and Harry Burdick received life sentences in federal prison, while Raymond Anderson received a 30-year sentence.

A judge dismissed a federal carjacking case against Day in 2002. But in 2003 he was indicted on nine state charges of murder, carjacking, robbery and conspiracy. And now the state jury will hear the testimony that Floyd gave at Day's federal trial.

Sullivan began by saying that June 8, 2000, was a day like any other for Burgeson and Shute. It was a day, he said, "filled with family, friends and fun -- one of those endless summer days perhaps enjoyed best by the young."

Burgeson, 20, of Lakeville, Mass., was attending St. Cloud University in Minnesota and was home for the summer, working at United Parcel Service while dreaming of becoming a disc jockey. Shute, 21, of Coventry, was a La Salle Academy graduate who was attending the University of Rhode Island and working as a receptionist during the summer.

"Amy and Jason were friends -- maybe more," Sullivan said. "But they would never have time left to find out."

That night, Burgeson arranged for friends to get together at Tommy's Place restaurant on Westminster Street and then go to Bootleggers dance club on India Street, the prosecutor said.

"Meanwhile, on the other side of town, a very different group of acquaintances and associates was gathering," Sullivan said. "Gregory Floyd, recently out of prison, living with Kenneth Day, this defendant, a man he described as like a brother to him, was sharing a room -- a very small room -- at 94 Taylor St."

"While Jason Burgeson told others to bring their friends, Kenneth Day told Gregory Floyd to bring his gun," the prosecutor said. "And he did."

Floyd, Day, Burdick, Anderson and Sanchez "began prowling the streets of Providence looking for victims to rob," Sullivan said. They first looked for a drug customer that Day knew to be carrying money, but couldn't find him. They tried to rob a man near Challenger's bar but a larger group of people appeared.

The five then tried to rob two women and a man at an ATM near Hemenway's restaurant, but a security guard saw them on a video monitor and left the building to show his presence, Sullivan said.

He said a Textron security camera captured the group at 1:23 a.m. as they headed back to Saki's Pizza to pick up Sanchez's car.

"Jason's and Amy's night was winding down, too," Sullivan said. After Burgeson handed out dance fliers at Bootleggers, friends drove the couple back to Tommy's to get Burgeson's white 1991 Ford Explorer, and a patrol officer recalled seeing the couple on the steps of the Arcade at 2:10 a.m., he said.

The five men spotted Burgeson and Shute as Sanchez drove down Weybosset Street. "It was not the first time they had seen that couple or that car that night," Sullivan said. "But now they were alone and it was later at night -- they were easy targets."

Sanchez pulled around the corner and parked by a florist on the other side of the Arcade. "The mission was redefined," Sullivan said. "A plan was now hatched that targeted this young couple and their Explorer."

A security camera picked up Floyd and Burdick heading down an alley that runs between the Arcade and a cellular phone business, leading to the parking lot in front of Tommy's restaurant. "One of the clearer frames shows the time to be 2:09:59 -- seconds away from the beginning of the end of Jason's and Amy's lives," Sullivan said.

Floyd and Burdick approached the couple and demanded money. "Jason didn't want to part with money so hard earned. He said he had none. The medical examiner would later recover $78 in cash from his sneaker," Sullivan said.

Floyd brandished his gun and they took the Explorer, with Burgeson and Shute inside. Sanchez, with Day and Anderson aboard, drove behind them and eventually took the lead, heading for the Button Hole golf course on the Providence/Johnston line, Sullivan said.

The course was then under construction, with sand and gravel being graded into fairways and greens. At night, it was "particularly remote, desolate and inaccessible," Sullivan said.

The men stopped at the entrance and talked about killing the couple.

"Kenneth Day said Amy was pretty," Sullivan said. "Kenneth Day said he wanted to rape her. Officers would later recover an opened condom wrapper at the scene of this crime. . . . inexplicably, Floyd, the man who would later execute the victims, would not allow the rape to occur."

They drove the Explorer farther into the construction site, and Anderson sat them on the ground near hay bales. Then came the debate, and three shots rang out. The five men left the scene in two cars, splitting up $18 in change found in the Explorer, using half the money for gas, the prosecutor said.

Sullivan concluded by saying, "After robbery attempts at which Day was present and participated in, after Day helped search the Explorer, after Day suggested rape, after Day urged Floyd to commit murder, Floyd killed the victims in cold blood with a gun that Day encouraged him to bring -- on a day filled with promise, on a day filled with fun, friends and family for Jason and Amy."

Before prosecutors showed a police videotape of the crime scene, several members of the victims' families left the courtroom. In the video, the students' bodies are slumped against hay bales. Shute is almost completely obscured behind Burgeson, her arms around him. A round of live ammunition rests on Burgeson's left sneaker, and a diamond ring rests in Shute's left hand.

Shute's mother, Carol, later testified that she had given her daughter that diamond solitaire ring. Burgeson's father, Ernest, testified that his son left home with the Ford Explorer that night and never returned. As a photo was shown of a smiling Jason Burgeson, dressed in a tuxedo, his mother, Nadine, broke down.
 

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Hostile;3266674 said:
That doesn't really matter. If anyone doubts this hold a gun in your hands down at your sides the next time you talk to a Police Officer. It doesn't even have to be loaded. Or even real as long as it looks real.

The threat is implied and if he did anything other than have guns in the car he is an idiot. I like the guy. This is not me with a vendetta against Cricket. I do not condone having loaded weapons in a car. I never condone one in the chamber. I really do not condone using one to imply a threat to the valet or anyone else. If he did ditch it in the bushes then that is three strikes.

He has done a very thorough job of hanging himself out to dry if he is guilty of these things. I hope he isn't and it is being blown out of proportion, but if even one of these allegations is true he is wrong. Hell, unpaid tickets when you make his kind of money is already stupid enough. He didn't need to include weapons charges into the stupidity.

Rest assured, if you see my gun in my hands out of the holster, whether it is pointed at you or not, I mean for you to feel threatened. If my finger is anywhere near the trigger it means I consider you a threat and I will defend myself. I have no issue with anyone else who has the same principles.

I can't imagine ever needing to point my weapon at a valet or have it out of the holster and a round chambered. Whether he is guilty of anything else he is stupid to have that weapon in his car with a round chambered.

If the valet's prints are not on the gun then who else put it in the bushes? Or do valet's wear gloves so no prints?

IMO, it looks bad for Cricket. I hope not. I really hope not.

I agree with you. I was just making that statement because I figured someone would dust the scenario off as being "no big deal" since he didn't point the gun.

That's why I put the rolled eyes smilie on there.
 

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We have a Sub-Zero emoticon!?!?!

Awesome!

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We should look into creating a Liu Kang one as well :D
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Hoofbite;3266804 said:
I agree with you. I was just making that statement because I figured someone would dust the scenario off as being "no big deal" since he didn't point the gun.

That's why I put the rolled eyes smilie on there.
I know amigo. I was amplifying what you said, not disagreeing with you.
 

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Biggems;3266938 said:
Hos, was that Crosslin in the pic?
Asaph Schwapp, FB from Notre Dame who in Camp this year. He is a monster.

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If you see the video of the players introductions at TC last year you really get a feel for how huge this guy is. I will see if I can find the video later and post it.

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Video.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/multimedia/multimedia_center.cfm?id=C3BD9FD0-B249-1268-CABA6DB5168BCA3E

He wears #45 and when the RBs are introduced you get a pretty good look. The RBs are introduced at the 24:50 mark.
 

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i liked Crosslin better than Cricket....of course I'd rather have a blind, anorexic, osteoperositic monkey over Cricket.
 

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Hostile;3266904 said:
I know amigo. I was amplifying what you said, not disagreeing with you.

Gotcha.

I still can't believe anyone would disregard this whole incident. Guns aren't meant to be played with and you'd think people with so much to lose would know that.
 

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Hostile;3266940 said:
Asaph Schwapp, FB from Notre Dame who in Camp this year. He is a monster.

278177.jpg


If you see the video of the players introductions at TC last year you really get a feel for how huge this guy is. I will see if I can find the video later and post it.

Edit...

Video.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/multimedia/multimedia_center.cfm?id=C3BD9FD0-B249-1268-CABA6DB5168BCA3E

He wears #45 and when the RBs are introduced you get a pretty good look. The RBs are introduced at the 24:50 mark.

That's a big boy.

By the way that video is awesome. Some real goofballs on the team. You think they ask this guy to come back?
 

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Hoofbite;3267001 said:
That's a big boy.

By the way that video is awesome. Some real goofballs on the team. You think they ask this guy to come back?
I don't know, but I hope so. I heard he is a crushing blocker.
 

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jobberone;3266678 said:
I applaud your behavior. But why was the gun in the bushes if he was merely retrieving it? And I would have waited until the tow truck arrived before taking a gun from the car. I think it was poor judgment to pull a weapon for any reason during an altercation.

I agree.

I was just responding to the question "why did Deon get his gun" and the implication that there was NO valid reason for doing so.

There are valid reasons for doing so. The questions you ask are good ones and need to be answered before the court of public opinion convicts him.
 

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Hostile;3266674 said:
That doesn't really matter. If anyone doubts this hold a gun in your hands down at your sides the next time you talk to a Police Officer. It doesn't even have to be loaded. Or even real as long as it looks real.

The threat is implied and if he did anything other than have guns in the car he is an idiot. I like the guy. This is not me with a vendetta against Cricket. I do not condone having loaded weapons in a car. I never condone one in the chamber. I really do not condone using one to imply a threat to the valet or anyone else. If he did ditch it in the bushes then that is three strikes.

He has done a very thorough job of hanging himself out to dry if he is guilty of these things. I hope he isn't and it is being blown out of proportion, but if even one of these allegations is true he is wrong. Hell, unpaid tickets when you make his kind of money is already stupid enough. He didn't need to include weapons charges into the stupidity.

Rest assured, if you see my gun in my hands out of the holster, whether it is pointed at you or not, I mean for you to feel threatened. If my finger is anywhere near the trigger it means I consider you a threat and I will defend myself. I have no issue with anyone else who has the same principles.

I can't imagine ever needing to point my weapon at a valet or have it out of the holster and a round chambered. Whether he is guilty of anything else he is stupid to have that weapon in his car with a round chambered.

If the valet's prints are not on the gun then who else put it in the bushes? Or do valet's wear gloves so no prints?

IMO, it looks bad for Cricket. I hope not. I really hope not.


I'm sure you know Hos that many, if not the majority, of people who chose to carry feel that an unloaded weapon is nothing more then a club and think it is a vey bad decision to carry an unloaded weapon. Same goes for carrying without one in the chamber. I know it is a matter of opinion and open for debate but it has been my experience that most carry loaded with one in the pipe.

I don't fault Deon for having a loaded weapon in his vehicle. I'll reserve my judgement on any fault for brandishing the weapon until I find out if it actually was brandished.
 

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Vtwin;3267141 said:
I'm sure you know Hos that many, if not the majority, of people who chose to carry feel that an unloaded weapon is nothing more then a club and think it is a vey bad decision to carry an unloaded weapon. Same goes for carrying without one in the chamber. I know it is a matter of opinion and open for debate but it has been my experience that most carry loaded with one in the pipe.

I don't fault Deon for having a loaded weapon in his vehicle. I'll reserve my judgement on any fault for brandishing the weapon until I find out if it actually was brandished.
I am an advocate for rights to carry, but responsibly.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3254768&postcount=9

To me chambered round means you don't really respect the weapon.
 
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