DC.COM Blog: A Few Clarifications On Anderson Incident

[Vtwin]

I am an advocate for rights to carry, but responsibly.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3254768&postcount=9

To me chambered round means you don't really respect the weapon.

I respect your opinion Hos.

You do understand that your opinion on having a round chambered would be challenged big time in most gun carrying circles?

 

[Hoofbite]

I respect your opinion Hos.

You do understand that your opinion on having a round chambered would be challenged big time in most gun carrying circles?

Well of course it would. Those people are gun nuts.

Just like the pot heads believe in legalization.

Nothing wrong with it but its not a big shocker that gun enthusiasts think you should be able to have a round chambered.

 

[Vtwin]

Well of course it would. Those people are gun nuts.

Just like the pot heads believe in legalization.

Nothing wrong with it but its not a big shocker that gun enthusiasts think you should be able to have a round chambered.

Dude,

Seriously....

I bet the "gun nuts" would probably admit that you know more about the Dallas Cowboys then they do.

The opposite most certainly applies also.

 

[Hoofbite]

Dude,

Seriously....

I bet the "gun nuts" would probably admit that you know more about the Dallas Cowboys then they do.

The opposite most certainly applies also.

You're trying to say that it's a bad assumption?

Gun nuts being widely pro-gun in every way, shape and form?

Bad assumption?

Or maybe the title "gun nuts" gave off the wrong impression?

 

[iceberg]

Because of this? I could understand if it was due to finding an upgrade at the position

some people live to slam down others, having facts and reasons to go by gets in the way of speculation to a definitive end.

very irritating crowd.

 

[iceberg]

Well of course it would. Those people are gun nuts.

Just like the pot heads believe in legalization.

Nothing wrong with it but its not a big shocker that gun enthusiasts think you should be able to have a round chambered.

i'm new to guns myself and have bought enough recently to classify myself as a gun nut. i even know better than to join NRA again because they're like SPAM central.

never in my life would i carry a gun with a chambered bullet. that simply puts you in a bad position when it's not that hard to slide it back to put one in *if need be*.

i see no connection to pot here but ok.

 

[Hoofbite]

i'm new to guns myself and have bought enough recently to classify myself as a gun nut. i even know better than to join NRA again because they're like SPAM central.

never in my life would i carry a gun with a chambered bullet. that simply puts you in a bad position when it's not that hard to slide it back to put one in *if need be*.

i see no connection to pot here but ok.

My point was most people who partake in an activity are usual PRO that activity.

 

[Vtwin]

You're trying to say that it's a bad assumption?

Gun nuts being widely pro-gun in every way, shape and form?

Bad assumption?

Or maybe the title "gun nuts" gave off the wrong impression?

No no.

You are right on the money with your assumption. My point is that folks who are passionate about a topic will likely have more knowledge and real life experience with that topic and their opinion on that topic will be more meaningful then those without that knowledge and experience.

I wouldn't tell a "gun nut" that he didn't know what he was talking about on the topic of guns and I wouldn't tell a Cowboys nut he didn't know what he was talking about on the topic of the Cowboys. That's all.

I do notice your phrasing "should be able".

I don't think it is illegal for persons leagaly permitted to carry to have a round chambered. Whether it is wise or not is open for debate but it is not illegal.

 

[The Realist]

some people live to slam down others, having facts and reasons to go by gets in the way of speculation to a definitive end.

very irritating crowd.

Fact..........

Deon has a long history of arrests and stupid behavior.

Brother is in the clink for a double murder.

He's running around and pulling out guns with his other stupid brother at 2 am.

Not a lot of speculation going on here.

 

[iceberg]

Fact..........

Deon has a long history of arrests and stupid behavior.

Brother is in the clink for a double murder.

He's running around and pulling out guns with his other stupid brother at 2 am.

Not a lot of speculation going on here.

fact - i see stupid in your post. something tells me you don't. so "stupid" isn't a good objective measure, now is it?

fact - name this "long history" - i've not heard of it and the cowboys are proud of getting that out of the system - so if he were this 'thug' you want us to believe he'd not be here.

fact - i am not my brother. my oldest brother has spent a LOT of time in jail in his youth - i was there for a weekend during a filiming of my short movie. no connection once again.

fact - he wasn't running around pulling a gun on anyone or the arrest would have been different, why do you feel some compulsory need to exaggurate the truth to your dramafied need?

whole lot of speculation going on here.

 

[Hostile]

I respect your opinion Hos.

You do understand that your opinion on having a round chambered would be challenged big time in most gun carrying circles?

Forgive me, it is story time.

I have a friend who is originally from Turkey and he is Muslim. He is now an American citizen. He owns a .38 special and he has a license to carry it. I have seen him with the gun hundreds of times. He always has it in a holster that has a snap which holds the hammer in place. In other words, inside the holster that gun cannot be fired.

He carries that weapon either in his hands and pointed at himself or properly in his waistband or on a belt. He is always safe with his weapon.

A few years back he had it in his hands, pointed towards himself. He went out to the mailboxes to talk to the postman because for some reason some of his mail had not arrived. For some reason a substitute postman had returned the mail. He got agitated about this. He did not take the gun to confront the mailman.

The postman is a government employee and he reported this incident. My friend was arrested for threatening a government employee.

I ask you is this anywhere near the vicinity of unholstered weapon, one in the chamber, and found in the bushes? I personally do not think so.

My friend did not point the gun at anyone. He was angry and he had a gun in plain sight that he had a license for. The Prosecution never argued that he took the gun to the mailboxes specifically to threaten the postman, whom I also know and consider a friend BTW.

I testified at his trial. I think his character is impeccable. On more than one occasion in my neighborhood when I have confronted people who are up to no good he has been there to back me up. He doesn't come brandishing a weapon. He is not a gun crazy by any wild stretch of the imagination.

He was found guilty of intimidation. I wrote a letter to the Judge as he was considering my friend's sentence. According to the Judge, my letter kept my friend out of jail. My friend was in tears as he hugged me to thank me for the letter.

Would you like to guess at what he has faced? It cost him $15,000 to defend himself. He spent 5 days in jail after his original arrest. He is on probation for 3 years. If he had been found innocent the only difference would have been the 3 years probation.

If you believe the leniency of the laws for weapons makes it all okay then by all means go on believing that. I will tell you that most law abiding gun owners who go through Concealed Weapons Classes will agree with me that you take the extreme measures to show that you are not a threat to Law Enforcement or other innocent citizens. Anyone who doesn't believe this way is a bit naive.

If they want to make a case, they can. Guns scare the crap out of people. Loaded guns scare people even more. Not even having a license to carry a weapon can protect you if they choose to make a case. My friend was angry at another individual. So was Cricket. At that point they can consider assault or intimidation and believe it or not, that is a crime.

So regarding the law you posted earlier, it does say...when in the commission of a crime.

As for me and my house, we will do everything we can to make sure everyone knows that weapon is not a threat to another individual unless that individual is himself a threat to my safety or the safety of another human being.

If I pull a gun someone is in dire danger. I feel that way any time someone pulls a gun whether it is fired or not. I pulled a gun on another human being one time. I thank heaven above I was able to quickly put it away before the police showed up.

 

[jobberone]

I carry at times. I always have a round chambered and the weapon on safe. In fact I can feel in the dark if a round is chambered on one pistol. As a cop I carried chambered and on safe. I want to be able to pull and fire. Which I never have BTW.

 

[Vtwin]

I'm really not sure what that story has to do with anything. If anything it lends credibility to the suppositon that Law Enforcement can and will see what they want to see to do what they want to do. Your friend meant no harm but was hassled regardless.

Things vary wildly from state to state. When I carry I carry loaded and chambered. I sometimes carry open as it is allowed in this state. I have been pulled over on my motorcycle on the way to the range with a Glock 17 openly holstered and loaded, a Keltec .380 in my jacket and a Kimber .45 in my bag. Now the trooper did approach with extreme caution but I know how to deal with these situations and did everything I could to put his mind at rest. Result was no ticket and he asked me if he could see the Kimber because he was interested in it.

I have been apporached numerous times by the Coast Guard, State Police and DF&G for license/safety checks on my boat. Often I have something in a holster or on the console. Never a problem, sometimes we compare weapons.

As I said before, there is nothing so far reported in this case that would be illegal in this state. In fact it happens all the time. If it does come out that he purposely removed his weapon from the vehicle to intimidate the other party then that WOULD be a crime here but anything short of pointing it at the other party would not.

I don't want it to be misundestood that I am prepared to defend Deon to the death here. I am just saying that until the whole truth comes out there is really no reason to overreact.

IFhe brandished his weapon in an attempt to intimidate then he should deal with the consequences of such a stupid action.

 

[burmafrd]

To have a round chambered means that you are presumed ready to use it immediately. That has big implications. Depending on where you are it could be really bad. Considering how little time is needed to do so, its a big risk to keep your weapon like that, when you are moving it in a vehicle. Now at home that is a different story. All my weapons at home are loaded and rds in chamber and on safety (except for my glock-which does not have one).

And I am a gun nut.

 

[Vtwin]

To have a round chambered means that you are presumed ready to use it immediately. That has big implications. Depending on where you are it could be really bad. Considering how little time is needed to do so, its a big risk to keep your weapon like that.

By this logic a person would have to carry a revolver completely unloaded. Even with the chamber under the hammer unloaded it would only be one trigger pull away from a loaded chamber.


If carrying a semi-auto... what if for some reason you only have one hand to use? How are you going to quickly rack the slide in that scenario?

 

[jobberone]

To have a round chambered means that you are presumed ready to use it immediately. That has big implications. Depending on where you are it could be really bad. Considering how little time is needed to do so, its a big risk to keep your weapon like that, when you are moving it in a vehicle. Now at home that is a different story. All my weapons at home are loaded and rds in chamber and on safety (except for my glock-which does not have one).

And I am a gun nut.

You must not carry much. While I have no problem with someone choosing to carry a weapon not locked and loaded I see no reason to do so. The point is don't pull your weapon unless you are threatened or perceive a possible threat to the safety of yourself or others. A gun locked and loaded on safe and holstered is a safe weapon.

 

[burmafrd]

Like I said it depends on what jurisdiction you are in.

Revolvers are different in that as long as the chamber that the hammer is on is empty its not considered chambered, just loaded.

 

[Hostile]

I'm really not sure what that story has to do with anything. If anything it lends credibility to the suppositon that Law Enforcement can and will see what they want to see to do what they want to do. Your friend meant no harm but was hassled regardless.

Things vary wildly from state to state. When I carry I carry loaded and chambered. I sometimes carry open as it is allowed in this state. I have been pulled over on my motorcycle on the way to the range with a Glock 17 openly holstered and loaded, a Keltec .380 in my jacket and a Kimber .45 in my bag. Now the trooper did approach with extreme caution but I know how to deal with these situations and did everything I could to put his mind at rest. Result was no ticket and he asked me if he could see the Kimber because he was interested in it.

I have been apporached numerous times by the Coast Guard, State Police and DF&G for license/safety checks on my boat. Often I have something in a holster or on the console. Never a problem, sometimes we compare weapons.

As I said before, there is nothing so far reported in this case that would be illegal in this state. In fact it happens all the time. If it does come out that he purposely removed his weapon from the vehicle to intimidate the other party then that WOULD be a crime here but anything short of pointing it at the other party would not.

I don't want it to be misundestood that I am prepared to defend Deon to the death here. I am just saying that until the whole truth comes out there is really no reason to overreact.

IFhe brandished his weapon in an attempt to intimidate then he should deal with the consequences of such a stupid action.

Again, does he have a license and why was the gun in the bushes? Why did it ever leave the car?

Until there are good answers for these questions I have serious reservations.

The purpose of the story was to show that even having a weapon visible can be deemed a threat. If Cricket had wanted to avoid these entanglements he did a lot of things wrong.

This is why I tell anyone who owns a gun that whether they intend to carry it or not, go get a concealed carry permit for your own protection. Even if the gun never leaves your house in your lifetime.

 

[Hostile]

You must not carry much. While I have no problem with someone choosing to carry a weapon not locked and loaded I see no reason to do so. The point is don't pull your weapon unless you are threatened or perceive a possible threat to the safety of yourself or others. A gun locked and loaded on safe and holstered is a safe weapon.

I have only pulled my gun one time in my life and I was never so thankful in my life to not need it. I do not chamber a round ever unless I mean to pull the trigger.

 

[jazzcat22]

Who was prepared to pay his bond? The Cowboys or Deon's attorney? It's worded kind of funny.

Deoon or his attorney....An NFL Organization will never do this. For many ethical and moral reasons...but also, I believe it would be like a payment and count against the cap....