DC.COM: Blog: NFL Suspends Williams One Game For Horse-Collar

[panchucko]

Looks like the people that want RW gone will finally get to see what the D looks like without him.

 

[wileedog]

oh most of us get it...its just that the hate on Roy crowd is so blinded by wanting to see the guy fail that they cant get their heads out of their arses

David

*shrug* I don't 'hate' Roy.

I just think you are a moron if you get fined multiple times for the same thing over and over, then do it again, and are actually surprised you get suspended.

Again, whether the rule makes sense or not means nothing.

Whether he was miraculously saving a long play or not through some funky physics you are pulling out of your butt or not means nothing.

The fact is he has been nailed multiple times for the same stupid thing and he did it again. End of story.

Why is this so hard to understand?

You want to say the rule is garbage I'm right there with you.

You want to say it was the only choice he had, I disagree, but then Roy has to decide if stopping a 20 yard run is worth being suspended for. Because that is what is going to happen the more he does it again and again.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

That it isn't the rule, nor the player, nor the fact it is named after the one player who made the rule necessary.

He has done it twice. And he has been fined twice.

He did it once more.

This would be no different than a player being fined twice for cut blocks, spitting on someone, whatever. If they do it over and over again, then the NFL has no other choice.

That's what you, and apparently Williams, do not get.

Just because it is habit with him that the NFL should just look the other way while he does it over and over again and not escalate the punishment like it would with any other repeat offender of an established rule?

The rule is there. Complaining and moaning about it being a rule is irrelevant.

It is up to Williams to play within the rules or deal with the punishment.

No...he is a cowboy so it is a conspiracy.

Sarcasm off.

Your post is dead on.

Funny thing is did you see roy jump up and act all mad after the flags.

Geez some people just don't get it.

Rule is stupid but it is the rule.

 

[ultra5]

Big Shot Blurbs

NFL Suspends Williams One Game For Horse-Collar

Cowboys safety Roy Williams has been suspended one game without pay for Sunday’s illegal horse-collar tackle on Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb. Williams will be sidelined for Saturday’s game at Carolina.
NFL Director of Football Operations Gene Washington issued the suspension.
Sunday’s game marked the fourth violation of the horse-collar rule in the past two seasons.

More to come.

Published Dec 17 2007, 06:42 PM by rphillips

he should be suspended at this point... it's gotten ridiculous with him.

sure we need him in the lineup - but the guy is a dope to continue to tackle like this. doesn't he realize he should just dive at the back of McNubb's stumps and take him down that way?

 

[Kilyin]

Yes...that is why you see WRs dive to catch a ball that is over thrown. I mean they could just keep running and they wouldn't have to dive.

Futhermore Roy is already at the spot he could grab the legs. For your, and others, scenarios to even remotely make sense is if he was so far behind that he would have to reach for air and hope to only grasp the collar.

This was not the case IN THIS PLAY. In the past I would go along with it, In this case it is just not.

Sorry...you are wrong, no matter how much you argue it.

He was within distance that he would have made the play. END OF STORY.

WRs dive to catch an overthrown ball coming TOWARD them. They're not chasing another player from behind, who is running at full speed away from them. It's not even comparable.

As many others have said, if you fall forward you lose speed and momentum. Lunging at someone from behind who's sprinting at full speed is going to result in a face full of grass/dirt.

 

[peplaw06]

Have you honestly watched this specific video..Really. Not prior ones, but this one?

He is close enough he can fall forward and wrap his legs. This is not a case where he is going to miss him.

Roy could have farted and accidentally tripped and grabbed the legs.

Really this is silly.

Funniest thing is if you watch this video in the slow mo replays you would see he is ALREADY falling foward. He actually has to reach FURTHER to go up for the collar.

Going for the legs is less likely to work, and it's also going to make the guy fall forward and gain more yards.

It's like when you're guarding somebody as a CB or as a basketball player. They tell you to watch the guy's stomach/torso. Why? Because you can always tell where the guy's going by watching the torso.

Tackling up high is easily the most reliable way. The best tacklers wrap up through the torso. Think about it. When do you see defenders tackle ballcarriers at the legs? Usually when the ballcarrier is bigger than them. And how reliable is that method of tackling? Is it as reliable as tackling up high?

 

[Alexander]

Maybe we can have the players put on moo-moo's and fake angel wings and float around like fairies. Then, instead of tackling, we could engage in fierce rounds of paper-rock-scissors.

If this were for a helmet-to-helmet hit, I could understand. It would fit with this childish picture you are trying to paint.

This is just basically telling this one specific player to stop the dangerous behavior that is not nearly as commonplace as you are trying to imply.

It is says nothing about softening the game or making it less physical. It is about protecting the safety of players from a technique that Williams unfortunately has made famous because he won't stop doing it.

 

[wileedog]

As many others have said, if you fall forward you lose speed and momentum. Lunging at someone from behind who's sprinting at full speed is going to result in a face full of grass/dirt.

And horse collaring him is going to wind up in a fine or a suspension.

 

[The30YardSlant]

WRs dive to catch an overthrown ball coming TOWARD them. They're not chasing another player from behind, who is running at full speed away from them. It's not even comparable.

As many others have said, if you fall forward you lose speed and momentum. Lunging at someone from behind who's sprinting at full speed is going to result in a face full of grass/dirt.

No, no, no, you just don't get it. RW has the superhuman ability to defy gravity and coast in midair for several moments at full speed. To think he couldnt have wrapped up his legs is simply madness, what fool would even consider such a thing?

BP, one person telling you it can't be done is one thing. When now 7 people have told it can't be done in this thread, and all given the same factual explanation for why it can't be done, it's time to put down the bottle and start taking the hint.

 

[peplaw06]

If this were for a helmet-to-helmet hit, I could understand. It would fit with this childish picture you are trying to paint.

This is just basically telling this one specific player to stop the dangerous behavior that is not nearly as commonplace as you are trying to imply.

It is says nothing about softening the game or making it less physical. It is about protecting the safety of players from a technique that Williams unfortunately has made famous because he won't stop doing it.

Helmet to helmet hits are infinitely more dangerous than horse collar tackling.

 

[BlueStar22]

if this is too dangerous a technique then ****** put flags around their waists! Next time, just give up the touchdown Roy!

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

WRs dive to catch an overthrown ball coming TOWARD them. They're not chasing another player from behind, who is running at full speed away from them. It's not even comparable.

As many others have said, if you fall forward you lose speed and momentum. Lunging at someone from behind who's sprinting at full speed is going to result in a face full of grass/dirt.

This is the last time I am going to address this thread. As it seems like it is like trying to clap with one hand.

So the WR analogy was a poor one..So be it.

But the video indicates that Roy is running at an angle. As he is reaching up to grab mcnabb is no further from his legs than he was his collar at that time. He is also at the same time starting to fall.

He had equal chance to grab the legs as he did the collar whether he layed out or just continued to fall.

The video evidence is right there. People can deny it all they want but it is right there.

Forget that for a moment even if someone wants to argue logic.

He has been warned again and again not to do this, he has been fined more than once for this. Yet he does it again and not only that, he jumps up and acts mad like the call is bogus.

It's the stinking stupid rule that he himself caused to become the stupid rule in the first place.

Ok..I am done with this topic. It is nothing but a waste of time. I see it the way I see it, others see it the way they see it.

However one thing is clear and nobody, no matter how hard they argue it or what angle they take can change. It IS against the rules and he HAS been warned multiple times for it so if nothing else it is his own fault for the suspension.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

btw, if Roy lunged forward and shoe-lace tackled McNabb, who here wouldn't be calling him an ankle-tackler?

 

[MetalHead]

I'm a fan,I love my team,but I have to be honest.
When the league bans a type of tackle that a player has used and injured other players,the league will be watching.There were prior warnings and fines,but Roy didn't changed his technique.
Sad too see it,but he asked for it.

 

[Kilyin]

And horse collaring him is going to wind up in a fine or a suspension.

Horse collar by rule is a 15 yard penalty, not a fine or a suspension. Most players are coached to take a 15 yard penalty or even a spot foul if it means preventing a touchdown.

If our offense had been capable of producing ONE touchdown, that horsecollar could have won us the game. And then most of you would be singing a completely different tune.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Going for the legs is less likely to work, and it's also going to make the guy fall forward and gain more yards.

It's like when you're guarding somebody as a CB or as a basketball player. They tell you to watch the guy's stomach/torso. Why? Because you can always tell where the guy's going by watching the torso.

Tackling up high is easily the most reliable way. The best tacklers wrap up through the torso. Think about it. When do you see defenders tackle ballcarriers at the legs? Usually when the ballcarrier is bigger than them. And how reliable is that method of tackling? Is it as reliable as tackling up high?

Make that 8

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So the WR analogy was a poor one..So be it.

I think analogies of all kinds should be banned zone material, not one person has got it right yet lol

 

[wileedog]

No, no, no, you just don't get it. RW has the superhuman ability to defy gravity and coast in midair for several moments at full speed. To think he couldnt have wrapped up his legs is simply madness, what fool would even consider such a thing?

BP, one person telling you it can't be done is one thing. When now 7 people have told it can't be done in this thread, and all given the same factual explanation for why it can't be done, it's time to put down the bottle and start taking the hint.

And Roy is still stupid. Congratulations.

 

[superpunk]

If this were for a helmet-to-helmet hit, I could understand. It would fit with this childish picture you are trying to paint.

This is just basically telling this one specific player to stop the dangerous behavior that is not nearly as commonplace as you are trying to imply.

It is says nothing about softening the game or making it less physical. It is about protecting the safety of players from a technique that Williams unfortunately has made famous because he won't stop doing it.

It's the rule, whatever.

Football is a dangerous sport, played by dangerous people who are blown up to enormous proportions. There are any number of things that are incredibly dangerous. Now, we have a postage-stamp sized portion of QB taht defenders are allowed to hit, and a method of tackling that ensures the runner's progress is stopped by players with strong hands is outlawed.If that's what people want, bravo. Not for me.

Roy violated the rule, he gets what he gets. I just think the rule is bogus. Maybe soon we can get women on the field.

 

[DallasCowpoke]

so try an analogy that actually makes sense.

Why? You wouldn't understand it anyway.