Decided To Share What I Know About WR Roy Williams...*RUMOR*

[Hostile]

I never said they wouldnt move him. I'm actually agreeing with you on this one. Not only do I hope this happens. I think it will happen. I also agree with all your reasons why it will happen.

The thing I was asking and trying to make a point on was the Lions organization has said that they would not do it. Yet you still believe they will. JJ said he wont trade up high for Dmac. In quite of few post I've seen you use that for your reasoning on why we wont trade up for Dmac. I'm not saying this is your only reason but I've seen you use it more than once.

I just dont believe anything GM's are saying at this time of the year. I cant see why anyone would use the words of a GM this time of year for their reasoning why something will or will not happen. If you think this trade will happen it obvious you think GM's arent being truthful all the time. That includes JJ.

Again, I'm all for RW trade and I believe it will happen. I'm not for a Dmac trade into the top 7 and I hope it wont happen. Just understand why anyone would believe what a GM says at this time of the year.

I think the 2 conditions are similar in reasoning even if different in acquisition methods. Both are about cost. Jerry has said he doesn't want to pay the price to get into the top 5. In the past when teams do this, especially when as far back in the Draft as we are, it can have crippling results. Credit Jerry for realizing this.

I don't think it stops him from wanting McFadden, nor should it. If the guy falls, suddenly the cost is more amenable to the long term goals of the team.

Jerry has said this off season that he is looking for a vet WR opposite TO. He has come right out and said it. So in essence I am agreeing with Jerry twice in what he says he is going to do, or wants to do.

I don't think Chad Johnson will be traded and never have. Same reason why I don't think our Roy Williams will be traded. Cost to the team on a cap hit. Does that make it impossible? Of course not. However, when things are unlikely to happen I don't find much use in discussing it. Like getting into the top 5 to get McFadden. To me it is useless to even talk about it. If Jerry surprises me and does that, IMO it will be stupid.



Okay, now let's turn this around to cost for the Lions. If they do not trade him right now what does it cost them? As it sits right now, the #28 pick in the Draft for one thing. They pass on this trade, that is an immediate sunk cost. Zero return.

That means they are going to keep him for 2008 and run the risk of losing him at the end of the year. Yes, they can franchise him in 2009. That again is a cost and you have to look at what the top 5 WRs are making to gauge price it would take. Is Roy a top 5 WR in the NFL? Probably not, but they will have to pay him like one if they Franchise tag him. Combine that with what they're already on the hook for in guaranteed money to Calvin Johnson and it pushes the money tied up in one position too high to keep balance. They can trade him after they franchise him. That is true, but he has more value right now at a point where an existing deal can be re-worked than he will have with a brand new deal.

Cost.

I don't think they can afford to keep him despite the posturing and I think they know it. The guy denying he will be traded isn't Millen, it's Rod Maranelli the Head Coach. It ultimately isn't his call. Yes, he can influence whether they do it or not.

I put the odds of this happening at 90% will to 10% won't.

If it goes down, I got lucky. If it doesn't folks can say I made it all up so they feel all warm and tingly about their skepticism. I decided this morning that it really didn't matter to me and so I shared this.

Oh, one final thing from my original post that you keep overlooking and is a big reason why I believe so heavily in this. "Get me to Dallas." That carries some weight with me. Too much? We'll see.

 

[BouncingCheese]

This is probably a mistake on my part, but I've made them before. I doubt another one is going to kill me. Let me be very clear up front any deal for Roy Williams could very well fall apart. It may not happen. I believe it will.

I suspect that even though I posted that in bold red it will not be heeded.

Back in September I said this in a thread about whether or not we could get Larry Fitzgerald.

I then said this.

The friend I am talking about is not a friend of mine, but rather a friend of Roy Williams. He is a member here, but he does not post very often. He likes this forum and the members very much.

Now let me explain. Roy Williams is a Dallas Cowboys fan. He grew up in Odessa, Texas and all he ever talked about was playing WR for the Cowboys. When Roy was in his last year at Texas he went to Training Camp and asked Stephen and Jerry to draft him if he was available. They gave him some sweats and he wore them the rest of his time there. He loves this team. I'll get back to that.

Roy will be an Unrestricted Free Agent at the end of 2008. For 2008 the Detroit Lions have $15 million in dead money. Much of it tied up in WR. That goes away in 2009 and they could re-sign him in 2009. That may be too late. They could Franchise him and hope to get him to agree to a long term contract. If they do this, it will mean they have a tremendous amount of money tied up in WR. It is a huge gamble on their part.

Ultimately I think it is still very likely we will get him for the 28th pick in this year's Draft. If not, I still expect him to come here in 2009. As I said, this could all fall apart. If they offer him an insane amount of money he may take it.

Where it stands right now is that last year, going into his final year and knowing that they Lions had just drafted Calvin Johnson, Roy told his agent, "get me to Dallas."

That is the reason I have been so sure this would happen. I believe he wants to come here that badly. Detroit has the monkey wrench that could derail this. Roy does enjoy the Lions and his teammates and he is loyal. Jerry Jones is another person who could derail this. Why do I say that? Let's not kid ourselves, Jerry is watching very closely to see how far McFadden will fall. Once he's off the board I think Detroit's phone will ring and so will Arizona's.

From there it comes down to which of them is most motivated.






Now you know....................the rest of the story.

From what you say (and for the most part I believe it) I would agree that The Cowboys have a legitimate shot at signing Roy Williams. Besides the fact that Roy is a tremendous talent, the Detroit Lions are absolutely terrible on Defense, and have problems on their offensive line AND in their backfield. Calvin Johnson as you said is already costing them an arm and a leg and Roy Williams is going to charge at least as much.

It seems reasonable for a team trying to win now such as the cowboys to go after a proven player like Williams. (even though DeSean Jackson wouldn't be bad, but he can't compare to Roy)

 

[Hostile]

From what you say (and for the most part I believe it) I would agree that The Cowboys have a legitimate shot at signing Roy Williams. Besides the fact that Roy is a tremendous talent, the Detroit Lions are absolutely terrible on Defense, and have problems on their offensive line AND in their backfield. Calvin Johnson as you said is already costing them an arm and a leg and Roy Williams is going to charge at least as much.

It seems reasonable for a team trying to win now such as the cowboys to go after a proven player like Williams. (even though DeSean Jackson wouldn't be bad, but he can't compare to Roy)

If we do not trade for Bolden or Williams I won't be surprised at all if we take 2 or even 3 WRs in this Draft. I could see them rolling the dice on a guy like Sweed at 28 and coming back in the 3rd for a guy who was injured in 2007 like Markus Monk, and still taking a flyer on another WR late.

They will shoot for a Vet first opposite TO. Why? It puts us over the top and a rookie is still a gamble.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Thanks again for sharing Hos, some of us are not "connected" as yourself and really appreciate any bit of info you have on anybody, seriously bro.

90% chance of this going down................I think I just wet myself!!!!

 

[Champsheart]

Thanks HOS - Keep the info coming it is appreciated!!!

 

[CoCo]

I appreciate any inside info anyone can muster. Absolutely!

I am a bit concerned that Roy tends to get dinged up. All things considered I probably have a slight preference for Boldin. ACL's happen. But beggars can't be choosers and we are begging for a vet WR, Terry Glenn's balky knee notwithstanding. So yes I would absolutely take Roy for pick #28 assuming the Jones' can figure out how to pay everyone.

That said, and again I appreciate inside info, I am skeptical that this will ultimately happen. I've just heard way too many "they can never keep this guy" scenarios where lo and behold, they DO keep them. Where there is a will to keep a premium player, there is usually a way.

So if Detroit does decide to move him I get concerned about how low our #28 is relative to what most other teams can offer as a #1 and in particular Philly who is reportedly in the market as well. There are so many goofy things that happen, huge ridiculous contracts etc, when proven talent comes available.

I also wonder why Detroit isn't moving him right now, as opposed to draft day? There may be legit reasons but it leaves me a bit puzzled.

The other thing that makes me hesitant on inside info is that a direct quote can sound rock solid today only to be dramatically changed almost overnight. Think about your own difficult decisions in life. They are rarely 1-sided obvious and often prone to flip-flop. Hearing Roy quoted recently as perfectly content to finish his career in Detroit may be rhetoric, or perhaps his true recent assessment.

In any event, I really hope we can land Boldin or Roy with #28. I just have a hard time being optimistic about it.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

Good stuff Hos. I was reading on the Lions message board, they suggested trading us their #15 and Roy for our two first and second. Interesting idea.

 

[Hostile]

Good stuff Hos. I was reading on the Lions message board, they suggested trading us their #15 and Roy for our two first and second. Interesting idea.

That's an angle I hadn't heard yet.

 

[Randy White]

First I want to say thanks for sharing that info, and I don't mean just now.

second: That's a " cojonudo " job, my friend.

Seriously, you must need a wheel barrell to drag them around cuz I would have never gone out on this limb. I have some small connection nationally, and he's basically a media member, and I can tell ya that I'd never have the courage to bring this out if he would have told me that.

Much props.

 

[CoCo]

Good stuff Hos. I was reading on the Lions message board, they suggested trading us their #15 and Roy for our two first and second. Interesting idea.

That is a very interesting angle. Stick Roy in the line-up and grab your CB preference at #15.

And yet I still think Jerry would take that #15 and trade down to replace some picks. :laugh2:

 

[mperfection]

I know much has been said about the Bengals not trading Chad Johnson, primarily because of the cost. But what is often overlooked is the very REAL possibility (edit: LIKELIHOOD) that Johnson will sit this one out.

Someone posted a comment from Peter King in which King said that he expects for Johnson to sit out all of the offseason training programs, including training camp, and then the Bengals trade him to Dallas a couple of weeks before the season starts.

If the Lions still want to posture with Roy Williams, go ahead. We could get Chad Johnson this year and Roy Williams next year, bypassing an extension for T.O.

Whether you like it or not, this too can be a very real possibility.

 

[tomson75]

I know much has been said about the Bengals not trading Chad Johnson, primarily because of the cost. But what is often overlooked is the very REAL possibility (edit: LIKELIHOOD) that Johnson will sit this one out.

Someone posted a comment from Peter King in which King said that he expects for Johnson to sit out all of the offseason training programs, including training camp, and then the Bengals trade him to Dallas a couple of weeks before the season starts.

If the Lions still want to posture with Roy Williams, go ahead. We could get Chad Johnson this year and Roy Williams next year, bypassing an extension for T.O.

Whether you like it or not, this too can be a very real possibility.

It's hard to argue Chad's production, but I'd still rather have Williams or Boldin. Chad seems to go off against poor competition and disappear against good teams. Against it.

 

[Sarge]

I would trade the #22 for Roy Williams right now and grab a CB at 28, Ray Rice hopefully in the 2nd.

 

[ZeroClub]

If we do not trade for Bolden or Williams I won't be surprised at all if we take 2 or even 3 WRs in this Draft. I could see them rolling the dice on a guy like Sweed at 28 and coming back in the 3rd for a guy who was injured in 2007 like Markus Monk, and still taking a flyer on another WR late.

They will shoot for a Vet first opposite TO. Why? It puts us over the top and a rookie is still a gamble.

I agree that the Cowboys need a proven #1 WR to go along with T. Owens. Bolden or Williams would be perfect.

I'd be surprised to see the Cowboys pick three WRs this draft though (even if the trade for a vet doesn't come through).

There just aren't that many roster spots at that position, are there? How many open spots are we looking at?

Owens and Crayton are locks. The Great Tattooed Hope (Isaiah) is nearly a lock. I wouldn't think they'd want let Austin loose. Hurd? Maybe. ...

 

[Rack]

I guess I'll share what I know about Roy Williams too...


He runs routes about as well as I do.



The End.

 

[Sarge]

I guess I'll share what I know about Roy Williams too...


He runs routes about as well as I do.



The End.

Sign Achmed up!

 

[Rack]

Sign Achmed up!

SILENCE!​

I keel you!

 

[TellerMorrow34]

It would be really great if this turns out to be true. I'd be thrilled to have RW on the otherside of T.O.

That would be a very nice combo with Crayton at the 3rd spot.

 

[Wimbo]

You know Wimbo, I honestly don't know why I decided to share this today.

I know some people will be appreciative of the info. I also know some people are going to act like jerks when this stuff gets shared. I saw it with Brownsugar and I've seen it with stuff I share. I've seen it when other people share stuff too.

Back when we got Drew Henson I knew it was going to happen, right down to the compensation. I shared that info with Juke99, Verdict, Dale, and Chief. Like me, they all were Henson fans. I never shared it with the forum. Then when it happened, exactly as I told them, Juke posted a thread about it. The other guys backed him up and said I had indeed let them know. It royally pissed three guys off.

One of them actually PMed me to ask why I hadn't shared the info with him. As I said, I shared with the few guys I knew who liked the kid. Those three guys still hate me to this day, and say all kinds of crap about me on another forum. Recently one of them posted a comment aimed at me about Spenser Larsen, the ILB from Arizona that I like so much.

This stems from the fact that I live in Tucson, Arizona and have the temerity to tell people that I've known a few Wildcat players. For the record I have never said that I know Spencer Larsen. I just happen to like the way the kid plays football. So they invent ways to say I am a liar.

Another time I shared stuff like this was the day Brandon Everage worked out for the Cowboys. I knew he was in Oxnard even before Dale, who was an intern for DC.com at the time. Those guys all say I lied about how I found out. Yet they have no explanation for how I knew.

These "backfires" for lack of a better term just make me very reluctant sometimes to share info when someone shares it with me. Even if they tell me I can share. All it turns into is another reason for some to act like they're hurt because I got the information and they didn't.

Today, I just decided to share this. I already had in a minor way and dropped some hints now and then. But as to why today, I honestly just don't know.

Well, I appreciate the info. I hear you about the varied reactions from posters... all you have to do is share an opinion, and you get slammed. I, for one, will always appreciate this kind of stuff (so you can add me to your list of confidants )

 

[DBoys]

I would trade the #22 for Roy Williams right now and grab a CB at 28, Ray Rice hopefully in the 2nd.

I am with you on that