News: DeMarcus Lawrence Appeal

[Plankton]

You got it mostly right...OScandrick had his 4 game PED suspension overturned but he had already missed 2 games by the time the ruling came.....he was still found guilty of violating the substance abuse policy but since it was his first violation it didn't warrant a fine or suspension.....it just means more testing and strike one.....there is no free window for coke and weed, they just don't test for it. But if you get arrested it still counts....

As long as you aren't in the drug program, you technically have an 11 month window to use. They only test once per year for non-program players, and it's at the same time every year - right before the beginning of OTAs. Once you pass the idiot test, you can smoke a marijuana forest if you so desire.

 

[jnday]

You cant hate what he does, however. He is trying to get, for the most part, a bunch of overpaid, classless babies to act like mature adults. Nothing wrong with that.

Oh have a good point, but there has been times that he could have handled himself better in dealing with players and owners.

 

[Plankton]

we found out about RMcClain's fines first

His representation could have leaked that. Hell, he could have said it.

The league did not put out an official statement about it because, according to the CBA, they can't.

 

[Doc50]

Im not speaking from a text book but actual life experience and I will tell you with certainty that add or adhd is absolutely over diagnosed and doctors hand out the medications like candy.

I took Vyvanse for about 6 months and when on Vyvanse I worked out like an animal with much greater focus, pushing myself much harder than I would have otherwise. There were very obvious training benifits.

I do agree long term effects are detrimental and dopamine receptors most likely do become depleted or desensitized needing more and more in order to get back to baseline. Which is in fact why I quit. Half of America is distracted and focus isnt automatic, sadly there is money to be made and legal drug pushers do just that.

So, were you tested and actually objectively diagnosed?

Did you think the dose of Vyvance was too high for you?

 

[BAT]

I didn't know that he had failed so many. He is history. They can move on from him now. Gregory is just stupid. Pot is not a drug that causes addiction. He is doing the drug just to get high. What looked like a draft steal is turning into a wasted pick. I rifn't realize that the problem had become so severe since he has been a Cowboy. I think the guy has Rome kind of mental problems TBH. Oh well, another wasted second round pick.

Isn't Lawrence facing a similar 4 game suspension? That would mean he's failed previous tests as well.

 

[Stash]

Jury is out on Smith and Gregory, but all other 2nd RD picks have been / are starters--success to a varying degree, but that's the draft.


Smith, Gregory, D-Law, Escobar, Crawford, Carter, Lee

That's an awful low bar on Escobar.

 

[AbeBeta]

Isn't Lawrence facing a similar 4 game suspension? That would mean he's failed previous tests as well.

It depends. There are two situations where you get a 4 game ban.

1. Multiple failed tests - that means he's in the program and is tested regularly
2. Your first PED positive test

Both are possible here but I think from Jerry's comments about how it was like Scandrick's cases, that this was a positive PED test as that is what got Scandrick

 

[Denim Chicken]

That's an awful low bar on Escobar.

I'm not as down on Escobar as most. Hard to accomplish much behind Witten.

 

[Stash]

I'm not as down on Escobar as most. Hard to accomplish much behind Witten.

Bennett managed. He put up more catches in one season than Escobar has in his career.

He's a bust.

 

[CWR]

So, were you tested and actually objectively diagnosed?

Did you think the dose of Vyvance was too high for you?

I was tested and the dose was 30mg if memory serves, which is a small or average dose. Of course I built a tolerance within a few months and was bumped up to 40mg. A couple months later I decided it wasnt worth being "superman" if I was taking the joy out of my life long term. I could feel a greater lack of focus and loss of energy towards the evening and realized the trade off.

At my job we are afforded promotional exams every 2 years. Its highly competitive and guys are reading 12 hours plus a day every day for 3 months. Alot of guys go to the doctor and recieve a diagnosis of adhd/add and are put on the medications. As you know its legal and they arent breaking any rules as they have a script. But it goes to show how fast and loose they are with the diagnosis and giving the meds.

Im sure there are a small percentage that actually do benifit but for the most part they are pretty awful. Taking natural supplements, probiotics and avoiding all the processed crap, while exercising and generally leading a clean life is I believe a more effective long term solution.

Anyhow, if your the doc I have no doubt you are more knowledgeable, that is just my take. But honestly and truly I was easily breezing through a couple miles on the treadmill and then lifting weights like a machine for an hour when on the meds. Now I struggle through it like most other 40 year old men lol.

 

[Denim Chicken]

UPDATE: Cowboys’ Lawrence will appeal; expect overturn or reduction

A week ahead of the draft, news broke surrounding Cowboys’ defensive end Demarcus Lawrence being sentenced to a 4-game suspension for violating the NFL’s substance abuse policy. The Cowboys Wire was one the first outlets to report Lawrence would be appealing the ruling based on the substance in question most likely being amphetamines used for rehabilitation of his back post-surgery.

http://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/201...nce-will-appeal-expect-overturn-or-reduction/

 

[khiladi]

no one is touching Hardy with a 10-foot pole, and for good reason. He probably won't play again. He managed to make a terrible situation worse with every single word that came out of his mouth.

Probably because the NFL is playing PR and told everybody not to sign him.. Jerry took four months to finally say Hardy wouldn't be re-signed..

 

[jnday]

Isn't Lawrence facing a similar 4 game suspension? That would mean he's failed previous tests as well.

My post elwas referring to Lawrence. I am like you, kinda blindsided by Lawrence failing drug test along with Gregory.

 

[khiladi]

Forget Hardy... Hardy will never darken the door at VR again. He totally burned his bridge with the Cowboys FO
and they don't want anything to do with him.

Yet getting tested multiple times for PEDs though on the other hand, especially when your DL is potentially a disaster, is not burning the bridge..

If you don't think the NFL is black-balling Hardy by now...

 

[Clarkson]

Probably because the NFL is playing PR and told everybody not to sign him.. Jerry took four months to finally say Hardy wouldn't be re-signed..

you sound just like Greg Hardy: blame everybody except Greg Hardy.
this is no one's fault but his own.

 

[khiladi]

you sound just like Greg Hardy: blame everybody except Greg Hardy.
this is no one's fault but his own.

But D Lawrence 'blames' the doctor and that it was all just an innocent mistake, though ADD has nothing to do with muscle recovery..

 

[Clarkson]

Yet getting tested multiple times for PEDs though on the other hand, especially when your DL is potentially a disaster, is not burning the bridge..

If you don't think the NFL is black-balling Hardy by now...

they may be blackballing him, but that would be because he is a moron deemed not worth the headache. again, go ahead and blame everyone except the man himself. he'd really like you - which is not a ringing endorsement.

 

[khiladi]

they may be blackballing him, but that would be because he is a moron deemed not worth the headache. again, go ahead and blame everyone except the man himself. he'd really like you - which is not a ringing endorsement.

Black-balling him because of PR is not because he's a moron..

 

[Doc50]

I was tested and the dose was 30mg if memory serves, which is a small or average dose. Of course I built a tolerance within a few months and was bumped up to 40mg. A couple months later I decided it wasnt worth being "superman" if I was taking the joy out of my life long term. I could feel a greater lack of focus and loss of energy towards the evening and realized the trade off.

At my job we are afforded promotional exams every 2 years. Its highly competitive and guys are reading 12 hours plus a day every day for 3 months. Alot of guys go to the doctor and recieve a diagnosis of adhd/add and are put on the medications. As you know its legal and they arent breaking any rules as they have a script. But it goes to show how fast and loose they are with the diagnosis and giving the meds.

Im sure there are a small percentage that actually do benifit but for the most part they are pretty awful. Taking natural supplements, probiotics and avoiding all the processed crap, while exercising and generally leading a clean life is I believe a more effective long term solution.

Anyhow, if your the doc I have no doubt you are more knowledgeable, that is just my take. But honestly and truly I was easily breezing through a couple miles on the treadmill and then lifting weights like a machine for an hour when on the meds. Now I struggle through it like most other 40 year old men lol.

The problem is the testing.
If you have a fundamental understanding of ADD, you can figure out how to answer a questionnaire to obtain the diagnosis. I use more complex testing so that the youth especially would not be able to manipulate the document.

You probably don't actually have ADD, or you'd realize a revelation on the medication. For those patients whose pathology blocks their ability to read, calculate, organize thoughts and tasks, and solve complex problems the medication represents the key that unlocks doors to success that had otherwise been closed. Then the self esteem that follows allows a student to set their goals high and believe that they can achieve anything, as opposed to thinking that they just weren't smart enough.

The irregular levrels of naturally occurring endogenous adrenergics that characterize ADD/ADHD may normalize into adulthood, but some don't. I have dozens of patients in my practice of all ages, some in their sixties. They do not experience the tolerance that you describe over several years; that's likely to only be significant in non-ADD users.

 

[Nightman]

UPDATE: Cowboys’ Lawrence will appeal; expect overturn or reduction

A week ahead of the draft, news broke surrounding Cowboys’ defensive end Demarcus Lawrence being sentenced to a 4-game suspension for violating the NFL’s substance abuse policy. The Cowboys Wire was one the first outlets to report Lawrence would be appealing the ruling based on the substance in question most likely being amphetamines used for rehabilitation of his back post-surgery.

http://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/201...nce-will-appeal-expect-overturn-or-reduction/

Adderall is not part of rehab for back surgery