Dez is a good player but he's not one of the best of all time

[perrykemp]

Who's the greatest QB you've seen (other than Romo of course )

Montana. I hate to say it but the guy was 4-0 in the Superbowl and unlike Bradshaw the 49ers don't win any of those games without a good game from Montana.

I'd put Brady there but the 2 Superbowl losses sully him a bit ONLY in terms of his comparison to Montana.

 

[Gameover]

Who's the greatest QB you've seen (other than Romo of course )

Montana

 

[Nova]

Johnson is bigger and Julio might be taller and faster, but Dez has this unexplainable athletic freakness that has something to do with body control and just pure coordination in all parts. I'm sure I'm biased here, but I think when you say "athletic" he takes the cake.

Even Irvin would admit he didn't have those tools. But Irvin had an insane drive. Dez seems to be picking it up, but I'm not sure if he will ever match Irvin in that regard.

Suffice to say he's in the conversation for top 3 WR and he's only 24. I'm not sure anyone has tried to say best of all time?

But that's the thing, I didn't say "Athletic". I referred to them as being more physically gifted.

And at 6'5" 235 running a 4.3 40, it's hard to deny that Calvin Jones as the most physically gifted WR today, probably second most physically gifted of all time (behind Moss).

Jones, it's much closer. But the way I look at it is that Jones is Bryant but faster and a little bigger.

 

[Gameover]

Montana. I hate to say it but the guy was 4-0 in the Superbowl and unlike Bradshaw the 49ers don't win any of those games without a good game from Montana.

I'd put Brady there but the 2 Superbowl losses sully him a bit ONLY in terms of his comparison to Montana.

Denver Broncos SB? I think Steve Young could've won that one.

Michael also said Brett perriman and Blades was more talented than he was.. Take that for what it's worth.

 

[Section446]

Montana. I hate to say it but the guy was 4-0 in the Superbowl and unlike Bradshaw the 49ers don't win any of those games without a good game from Montana.

I'd put Brady there but the 2 Superbowl losses sully him a bit ONLY in terms of his comparison to Montana.

My recollection of Montana starts around the time he moved to KC, unfortunately.

 

[perrykemp]

Denver Broncos SB?

I guess I should have said -- the 49ers don't get to any of those Superbowls with Montana. Yeah, they blew out the Broncos - I get it.

 

[perrykemp]

My recollection of Montana starts around the time he moved to KC, unfortunately.

My 1st Superbowl that I watched (and understood) as a kid was Oakland - Philly in 81. The 49ers with Montana won it the next year beating the Cowboys in the iconic "The Catch" game and pretty much owned the rest of the 80s so my formative football watching early years were full of a lot of hatred for the 49ers....

 

[Rockport]

Huh?

It was a little misleading. The offenses both Irving and Pearson played on weren't as pass happy as the one used today by the Cowboys.

 

[Nightman]

Just do the math and think about how free agency works.

If Dallas doesn't extend Dez, they might as well fold as a franchise. He is the exact type of player to build an offense around, especially when you have a solid QB and a relatively young roster. The money will be there to sign Dez and TSmith. Carter needs to prove it some more before even thinking about a big second contract.

 

[KJJ]

I think that Dez is a great weapon for the Cowboys and I am glad that we have him on our team at this point. However, many posters seem to be lauding him as one of the best receivers of all time. I don't see how a person could say that at this time, although he does seem to be getting better the longer he is in the league.

I am looking for objective discussion about where he ranks as a Cowboys receiver, all time. Personally I can think of several players who are arguably better than him which would likely include Michael Irvin, Drew Pearson and Bullet Bob Hayes. I am sure there are several others that we could throw in there as well. Thoughts?

This is a FAN board and many here laud players as the best of all time. If you listen to FANS here the Cowboys should have at least 50 players in the HOF. What FANS are looking at is how physically gifted Dez is and his potential. Talent wise he's the most gifted of any receiver the Cowboys have ever had all he lacks is great speed but he still has a long way to go to accomplish on the field what Hayes, Pearson and Irvin accomplished. Hayes was a pioneer who's great speed changed the game which resulted in the zone defense. He had 25 TD catches in his first 28 games in 1965-66. In 1970 he set a franchise record averaging 26.1 per catch. Drew Pearson was arguably the most clutch receiver of the 1970's and was part of some of the greatest most memorable plays in NFL history. He was part of the most famous play in Roger Staubach's career The Hail Mary. He made the key block that freed Tony Dorsett on his record breaking 99 yard TD run.

He helped make Clint Longley a legend on Thanksgiving day in 1974 with a 50 yard TD grab in the final seconds to beat Washington. Irvin was the emotional leader of the Cowboys great 90's teams that won 3 SB's in 4 years. He holds several Cowboys receiving records. Both Hayes and Irvin are in the HOF and it can be argued that Pearson should be there as well. All 3 receivers made significant contributions that helped lead the Cowboys to a number of championship games and to SB championships. Talent and potential doesn't make a player great consistent production and contributing to championships does. Dez is still a developing player and only time will tell if he will impact the Cowboys the same way Hayes, Pearson and Irvin did.

 

[perrykemp]

If Dallas doesn't extend Dez, they might as well fold as a franchise. He is the exact type of player to build an offense around, especially when you have a solid QB and a relatively young roster. The money will be there to sign Dez and TSmith. Carter needs to prove it some more before even thinking about a big second contract.

Quick -- name the last Superbowl winning team where the best player was a WR.

There-in lies the problem -- if your WR is that good it means you'll be spending an inordinate amount of the cap on a non-QB. It will be almost impossible to pay a QB and a WR both $15-20m contracts.

It's a bit of a quandary because you really can't build a team on the merits on an elite WR.

 

[dstovall5]

This is a FAN board and many here laud players as the best of all time. If you listen to FANS here the Cowboys should have at least 50 players in the HOF. What FANS are looking at is how physically gifted Dez is and his potential. Talent wise he's the most gifted of any receiver the Cowboys have ever had all he lacks is great speed but he still has a long way to go to accomplish on the field what Hayes, Pearson and Irvin accomplished. Hayes was a pioneer who's great speed changed the game which resulted in the zone defense. He had 25 TD catches in his first 28 games in 1965-66. In 1970 he set a franchise record averaging 26.1 per catch. Drew Pearson was arguably the most clutch receiver of the 1970's and was part of some of the greatest most memorable plays in NFL history. He was part of the greatest play in Roger Staubach's career The Hail Mary. He made the key block that freed Tony Dorsett on his record breaking 99 yard TD run.

He helped make Clint Longley a legend on Thanksgiving day in 1974 with a 50 yard TD grab in the final seconds to beat Washington. Irvin was the emotional leader of the Cowboys great 90's teams that won 3 SB's in 4 years. He holds several Cowboys receiving records. Both Hayes and Irvin are in the HOF and it can be argued that Pearson should be there as well. All 3 receivers made significant contributions that helped lead the Cowboys to a number of championship games and to SB championships. Talent and potential doesn't make a player great consistent production and contributing to championships does. Dez is still a developing player and only time will tell if he will impact the Cowboys the same way Hayes, Pearson and Irvin did.

So tired of seeing this "FAN", and "STAN" talk. We get it, everyone's a homer because this a Dallas Cowboy board, right?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I still think Moss was the most physically gifted, and there are 2 other guys in the league right now who I'd say are more physically gifted than Dez. (Johnson, Julio)

But he's certainly the most physically gifted WR the Cowboys have had. Bar none.

I think it depends on how you quantify the term "Gifted."

 

[Rockport]

Football outsiders are very romo friendly.

Much more friendly than pff

Your takes about Williams being better than Dez and outsiders being more friendly towards Romo than fans here is just, ludicrous. Are you being serious?

 

[Gameover]

Your takes about Williams being better than Dez and outsiders being more friendly towards Romo than fans here is just, ludicrous. Are you being serious?

Pff= pro football focus

Williams will be a better all round receiver.

 

[TTexasTT]

Pff= pro football focus

Williams will be a better all round receiver.

and Orton is a better QB.
I get it now.

 

[Gameover]

and Orton is a better QB.
I get it now.

Good!

 

[KJJ]

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So tired of seeing this "FAN", and "STAN" talk. We get it, everyone's a homer because this a Dallas Cowboy board, right?

Not everyone is a homer here some are objective and choose to tell it like it is.

 

[Nightman]

Quick -- name the last Superbowl winning team where the best player was a WR.

There-in lies the problem -- if your WR is that good it means you'll be spending an inordinate amount of the cap on a non-QB. It will be almost impossible to pay a QB and a WR both $15-20m contracts.

It's a bit of a quandary because you really can't build a team on the merits on an elite WR.

That's a fluke more than anything. NE was one miracle play from going 19-0 with Brady, Moss and Welker. Indy won with Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison to go with Peyton. Crabtree's emergence to go along with Vernon Davis was as big a factor as Kap's running. It is a passing league and that is where the money needs to go.

 

[Rockport]

Pff= pro football focus

Williams will be a better all round receiver.

Hope you're right because then we'll have 2 great WR's.