Dez is a good player but he's not one of the best of all time

[ABQCOWBOY]

Admittedly I forgot about Owens, but I’d still take Bryant’s physical makeup over Owens.

Owens was gifted, but I think the only thing he had over Bryant (from a physical stand point) was speed. He’s a little bigger, but IMO not enough to say that was a huge advantage for Owens.

But Bryant’s freakishly long arms, great hands, leaping ability, catching radius, natural nose for the ball negate Owens speed advantage for me.

Don’t get me wrong, Owens was better overall receiver, but I just don’t think he was as naturally gifted. His inferiority complex drove him to becoming one of the best WRs of all time (3rd best, IMO).

Owens was bigger and stronger. I don't know if he was faster or not. Owens wasn't all that fast. Both of them seem to drop balls that they should have caught, from time to time. Right now, I'd say Owens was more gifted but Dez is not a finished product yet and he may turn out to be better, don't know.

 

[Nova]

I think it depends on how you quantify the term "Gifted."

I agree. When I say 'physically gifted' I'm talking about strictly physical attributes that are advantageous to football... so pretty much things that haven't been taught like situational awareness, route running, things that are second nature and not innate. Intellectual aptitude is not considered either.

When it comes down to it, it's hard to define what would and would not fit those categories, so really it's a bit subjective.

 

[Rockport]

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Not everyone is a homer here some are objective and choose to tell it like it is.

Very narcissistic post.

 

[Gameover]

Hope you're right because then we'll have 2 great WR's.

I think Williams is gonna be a flat out stud!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Here is a nice comparison. A

Thru first 49 NFL games:
Dez Bryant 3,330 yards, 33 TDs.
MICHAEL IRVIN 3,696 yards, 24 TDs,
DREW PEARSON 3,133 yards, 18 TDs.

Per Jon Mochota on twitter

Dez does not have Emmitt or TD on this team. Basically, both Michael and Drew played on teams that believed in running the ball. That has to be considered in the TD totals as well, IMO.

 

[Nexx]

He's 24 years old.... can we give it at least 5 more years before proclaim dez anything?

 

[Boyzmamacita]

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Not everyone is a homer here some are objective and choose to tell it like it is.

Your opinion of how it is and how it really is can be two different things. That applies to so-called homers and realists alike. Oh, and just because a statement is negative or anti-Cowboys doesn't make it objective or fact.

Go Cowboys.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Montana. I hate to say it but the guy was 4-0 in the Superbowl and unlike Bradshaw the 49ers don't win any of those games without a good game from Montana.

I'd put Brady there but the 2 Superbowl losses sully him a bit ONLY in terms of his comparison to Montana.

Montana played in an era that had no cap limitations, to speak of. He absolutely had better teams around him, then did Brady IMO. That has to be considered as well.

 

[perrykemp]

That's a fluke more than anything. NE was one miracle play from going 19-0 with Brady, Moss and Welker. Indy won with Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison to go with Peyton. Crabtree's emergence to go along with Vernon Davis was as big a factor as Kap's running. It is a passing league and that is where the money needs to go.

Agreed it is a passing league, however, I wonder how the advantages other clubs have paying multiple good" WRs $3-5m/year as opposed to one superstar WR $15m+.

The core issue is in order to maximize that elite WR and his $15m+ contract you'll need a $20m/year+ QB.... Right there is $35+/year on two guys.

It's one of the reasons why I think Detroit is going to have trouble truly competing and getting to the next level -- they have an incredible amount of cap dedicated to two guys Megatron and Stafford.

 

[TTexasTT]

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Not everyone is a homer here some are objective and choose to tell it like it is.

There are quite a few homers that do take thier personal opinions too far.
However, the guys who do this "realist" act are far worse and try to use words like "objective" and cliches like "tell it like it is" before claiming they know more than than the guys who are payed to know these NFL issues. Like most, I tend to ignore these "realist" brain childs who want to cherry pick stats to support thier claim.

A PRIME example is that guy in this thread who states that the Cowboys would be in better shape with Orton and Williams as oppose to Romo and Bryant.
These guys will come out of the woodwork when Romo has another bad game (and he will eventually) to claim to be right with moronic posts like.
"Romo will never lead this team, book it" or "Anyone who knows football can see that Romo isnt a good QB".
Its great stuff. How sad thier life must be.

 

[dstovall5]

Hope you're right because then we'll have 2 great WR's.

Don't forget about the beasinator!

 

[KJJ]

Very narcissistic post.

Just telling it like it is.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think that San Francisco was the last team to win a Championship with the WR being the best player on the field.

JMO

 

[perrykemp]

Montana played in an era that had no cap limitations, to speak of. He absolutely had better teams around him, then did Brady IMO. That has to be considered as well.

I completely agree with your thesis.

Having said that, Joe Montana was the greatest QB I've ever seen. The guy had seasons where he passed for 70%+ completions and 110+ QB rating back in the 1980s when the league average completion % was in the 50's and QB rating average was in the 70s.

If he played today it would be equivalent to throwing for like 78% completion and a 140 QB rating.

It's mind boggling.

 

[perrykemp]

I think that San Francisco was the last team to win a Championship with the WR being the best player on the field.

JMO

Thanks. I was thinking back and I couldn't find one. Closest I got was Marvin Harrison however Peyton was the best player on that team.

 

[Gameover]

I think that San Francisco was the last team to win a Championship with the WR being the best player on the field.

JMO

1994?

Brady won his SB in a watered down era.

His first he won w/o having a TD drive over 65 yards.

 

[Nightman]

Agreed it is a passing league, however, I wonder how the advantages other clubs have paying multiple good" WRs $3-5m/year as opposed to one superstar WR $15m+.

The core issue is in order to maximize that elite WR and his $15m+ contract you'll need a $20m/year+ QB.... Right there is $35+/year on two guys.

It's one of the reasons why I think Detroit is going to have trouble truly competing and getting to the next level -- they have an incredible amount of cap dedicated to two guys Megatron and Stafford.

Dez is the type of WR that makes the other WRs better because he draws so much coverage. You can save on the other guys, they are much easier to find and replace. I would rather go with 12m to Dez, 1m to TWill, 500k to Beasely and Harris than have 4- 3m dollar, average guys.

 

[Nova]

Owens was bigger and stronger. I don't know if he was faster or not. Owens wasn't all that fast. Both of them seem to drop balls that they should have caught, from time to time. Right now, I'd say Owens was more gifted but Dez is not a finished product yet and he may turn out to be better, don't know.

See I've always seen Owens as being much faster. I feel like Owens had legit low 4.3 speed. He could get behind defenses easily, and one indicator of his speed that I remember was when Felix Jones was running down the sideline in GB (I think it was GB) and Owens passes him easily, coming from quite a ways back to make sure he got in the end zone. And I believe this was Felix Jones rookie year when he was still a speedster and Owens was 34.

I've always viewed Bryant as a 4.45 type guy. He's not one to blow the doors off defenders, but he's not slow either.

I could be wrong though.

 

[Gameover]

Thanks. I was thinking back and I couldn't find one. Closest I got was Marvin Harrison however Peyton was the best player on that team.

And Marvin was a post season no show.

 

[perrykemp]

Dez is the type of WR that makes the other WRs better because he draws so much coverage. You can save on the other guys, they are much easier to find and replace. I would rather go with 12m to Dez, 1m to TWill, 500k to Beasely and Harris than have 4- 3m dollar, average guys.

Megatron signed a $16.5m contract after the 2011 season. You won't get Dez for anywhere near $12m -- heck Mike Wallace got that from the Dolphins.

Not saying Dez isn't worth it -- he is. What I am saying is if you are going to pay Dez that much and you are going to pay your QB $20m+ you've drained 1/4th of the cap on two guys.