Dez tweet today

[CowboyGil]

People look at 13m and say why is he complaining?

But what if your talent was worth 40m at the sign of a pen but you were only getting 13m? I'm sure you'd be miffed.

Or how about if your colleagues who are worse than you are were making 100k a year but your employer was giving you 33k. You wouldn't complain because there are some people on food stamps?

Stop it.

I see your point. However, using the same metaphor, allow me to play devil's advocate. You get your money and you're happy. And the company is fine for the immediate future. Some of your co-workers who are just as good or better at their respective positions as you ask for raises (e.g. FredBeard and Zach Martin). But because the company gave you your money, they can't afford to pay them what they're worth and have to let these other good employees go. And the company begins to suffer and goes into an extended period of decline. But who cares, you got your money. Right?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Your statement about a system designed to protect the owners is not how it works either. The system is negotiated and designed to protect both sides. I agree with your state above but if your going to be fair, then be fair.

The players would get rid of the tag LONGGGGG before the owners would.

A) Teams can keep you from entering free agency and negotiate with any team.

B) Team cannot keep you from entering free agency and negotiating with any team.

Somehow choice A protects the players? Nope. Unless you think Hardy negotiated he can't be tagged next year because he likes to live on the wild side.

 

[CowboyGil]

Hi I'm Earth. Have we met?

 

[ajk23az]

That's not how the math works since guaranteed money not annual salary is really what is important. 13m vs 40m. Who here amongst us would be happy getting a 3rd of what they are worth?

Dez isn't talking about them offering 13m guaranteed. He is talking about a long term deal when he mentioned that. He even retweeted a tweet that supports this. I laugh at anyone thinking the Cowboys are only offering 13m guaranteed. They know that is piddly money when it comes to guaranteed $$.

 

[Idgit]

Surprised Dez' agent hasn't clamped down on the social media stuff. More surprised that this is the angle they went with on this one. Saying '$13M is fine, but where's my security' is not exactly the way to endear yourself to the common man.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

constrained? the cap is the average of the HIGHEST contracts. ala...no one is paying anyone else what he wants, and thus, logically, wouldnt pay him that either.

What part of the tag being a one year deal don't you understand?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I see your point. However, using the same metaphor, allow me to play devil's advocate. You get your money and you're happy. And the company is fine for the immediate future. Some of your co-workers who are just as good or better at their respective positions as you ask for raises (e.g. FredBeard and Zach Martin). But because the company gave you your money, they can't afford to pay them what they're worth and have to let these other good employees go. And the company begins to suffer and goes into an extended period of decline. But who cares, you got your money. Right?

This team will have plenty of money to pay Fred and Martin.

But yes. If I was a player my goal would be security and earning my contract. NFL players will tell you they don't like talking about other people's money and they never begrudge a player getting paid.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Dez isn't talking about them offering 13m guaranteed. He is talking about a long term deal when he mentioned that. He even retweeted a tweet that supports this. I laugh at anyone thinking the Cowboys are only offering 13m guaranteed. They know that is piddly money when it comes to guaranteed $$.

They reportedly offered him 20m in guarantees the last time player agent and team chatted.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Surprised Dez' agent hasn't clamped down on the social media stuff. More surprised that this is the angle they went with on this one. Saying '$13M is fine, but where's my security' is not exactly the way to endear yourself to the common man.

I don't think Dez and his player rep are trying to endear themselves to the Barber in Arlington.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The players would get rid of the tag LONGGGGG before the owners would.

A) Teams can keep you from entering free agency and negotiate with any team.

B) Team cannot keep you from entering free agency and negotiating with any team.

Somehow choice A protects the players? Nope. Unless you think Hardy negotiated he can't be tagged next year because he likes to live on the wild side.

Perhaps they would but then again, the players will not agree to a lot of stipulations on contracts that would protect the owners from lots of silly behaviors as well. That goes both ways. When Dez is an unrestricted Free Agent, then this is true. However, until such time, teams have rights as well. The average of the top five salaries is not poor pay. That's a good deal for any player IMO. It's not long term but it's the players choice to negotiate a long term deal or sign the tag and wait. Is it what the Players want? Probably not but then again, I'm sure that the owners do not want to have to pay these players what they are paying them either so there are two sides to this issue.

 

[ajk23az]

They reportedly offered him 20m in guarantees the last time player agent and team chatted.

theres that "reportedly" word again. nobody actually knows what has or hasn't been offered.

 

[Frozen700]

Not really.

If his demands are $17MM and $50MM+ guaranteed and he holds firm on that. No one will sign him.

That's a big If. We don't know that those are his final demands.

 

[erod]

Surprised Dez' agent hasn't clamped down on the social media stuff. More surprised that this is the angle they went with on this one. Saying '$13M is fine, but where's my security' is not exactly the way to endear yourself to the common man.

To be fair to Dez, that $13 million would be thrashed by taxes. It'd be about $7.5 million by the time the IRS got a hold of it. (Yes, rich people pay lots of taxes, regardless of the crap that spewed out there.)

However, I think he's responding to some comments by Daryl Johnston, and Dez needs to understand that this one year he'll make more than Moose did his entire career. Same goes for most of the guys that played 15 years ago, not to mention about 100 times more than Drew Pearson made.

Players should never comment publicly about their contract amounts because they'll lose in the court of public opinion.

 

[gimmesix]

Before the corny comments ensue, I'd like to remind people this is a BUSINESS. Just because you'd take $13 million in a heartbeat doesn't mean Dez should. He has every right to maximize his value and financial security for his family.

He has every right to ask for what he thinks he's worth. He's stupid if he expects to get paid what he thinks he's worth.

 

[AsthmaField]

If he should make $60 to $70 million before retiring, and we assume he has a good 5 to 7 years left, then how is $13 million for 1 year a bad deal?

There are ways to insure against potential injury. He will be very fairly compensated this season if he is on the franchise number.

I'm not saying it is a bad deal... I'm saying that if he has a career ending injury, he will just get that $13M.

If he signs a long term deal with $50M signing bonus, then he's got that 50 if he has a career ending injury this year.

With that injury he retires with $13M on the franchise tag. Or he ends up with 50 with the same injury if he did a long-term deal.

50 vs 13... more security.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Perhaps they would but then again, the players will not agree to a lot of stipulations on contracts that would protect the owners from lots of silly behaviors as well. That goes both ways. When Dez is an unrestricted Free Agent, then this is true. However, until such time, teams have rights as well. The average of the top five salaries is not poor pay. That's a good deal for any player IMO. It's not long term but it's the players choice to negotiate a long term deal or sign the tag and wait. Is it what the Players want? Probably not but then again, I'm sure that the owners do not want to have to pay these players what they are paying them either so there are two sides to this issue.

Again. Players don't like the tag despite the "good pay"

So I disagree with what you first said when you argued the tag protects the players. The tag is a tool of owners.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

theres that "reportedly" word again. nobody actually knows what has or hasn't been offered.

Well if we don't want to use things reported by multiple people. Then why discuss anything?

 

[erod]

Again. Players don't like the tag despite the "good pay"

So I disagree with what you first said when you argued the tag protects the players. The tag is a tool of owners.

Yep. Most players would LOVE to be franchise tagged, but not the ones that actually do get it. The owners only use it on the elite players.

 

[xwalker]

That's not how the math works since guaranteed money not annual salary is really what is important. 13m vs 40m. Who here amongst us would be happy getting a 3rd of what they are worth?

You know it is not that simple. Did you expect to make what you are making now while you were in college? College was part of the process just like rookie contracts and Franchise Tags are part of the process.

Zach Martin was an All-Pro and is making about 2.2M while Doug Free was not and never has been All-Pro and he is making 5M. Is that fair? It's how the system works.

The system is what caused Calvin Johnson to get over-paid. Because of his rookie contract and the fact that the 1st Franchise Tag has to be 20% a player previous salary, Franchising him for 2 years would have been about 46M. The contract he received directly related to how the Tag and system worked in his scenario. His guaranteed money was close to what his 2 year franchise total would have been.

The system changed when the players and owners agreed to a new CBA. Rookie contracts became much smaller and the Franchise Tag for Dez was not affected by his previous year's salary. His two year Tag total would be 28M; therefore, 28M in guaranteed money in a contract would be similar relatively as compared to CJ's guaranteed money compared to his two year Tag amount.

The Cowboys didn't implement the new CBA by themselves; however, if they don't maximize the cap using all methods available including the Tag, then they are operating at a disadvantage to other teams.

Dez is basically asking the team to operate at a disadvantage to other teams. Is that fair to Cowboys fans?

 

[Rogah]

This is assuming his life afterwards is perfect. No other expenses. No other emergency situations. A lengthy hospital stay for Him or someone his family will eat that up quickly.

That could happen to every single one of us at any time, and yet we all manage to get by. So don't cry a river over a guy who currently has a deal he can sign that will pay him enough money in 1 year where he could make $390,000 per year for the rest of his life.

By the way, they have this thing called "health insurance" that helps protect you against lengthy hospital stays.