DMN Blog: Cowboys refuse to apologize for win/Brooking cherishes the win

[utrunner07]

No, no. no. You claimed I maintain that. I can prove easily that I never have maintained there aren't bad signs.

Do you want the bet?

You said in the post there were no signs of this team not making the playoffs. I said your football IQ was not high enough if you do not see the signs of trouble for this team not making the playoffs. You came back and said "I dont see the signs? you want to bet?" Implying you did see the signs...

Hos I know you are smart enough to know there are signs of trouble so of course Im not going to make that bet because Im sure youve posted somewhere about it. But your orignial post, where you claimed there were no signs in these first five games, was incorrect.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

C'mon man. Didn't you know there are no signs? There is no broader perspective. There's no such thing as a "trend". Teams just magically reinvent themselves from one week to another. Teams like the Rams and Chiefs can make the playoffs as easily as the Giants or Steelers, because apparently you can't judge a team based on its performance, or something like that.

I was hoping someone would clarify this point for me. I doubt anyone honestly believes that trends don't exist or that past performance cannot be used to predict future performance. Nevertheless, a number of posters have made assertions that seem very similar to this.

 

[Rampage]

:wink2:

Stick with me kid, I'll teach you to read by babbling yet.

you guys were going at each other so fast I didn't realize you snuck in a question:laugh2:

 

[utrunner07]

I was hoping someone would clarify this point for me. I doubt anyone honestly believes that trends don't exist or that past performance cannot be used to predict future performance. Nevertheless, a number of posters have made assertions that seem very similar to this.

well played.

 

[theogt]

I've abandoned nothing. I made my argument. I can only say the same thing so many times.

And have completely ignored mine. Hence, it's abandoned.

It's been a rough day for you today on the forum.

 

[Hostile]

No bad blood here, I'm just being thoroughly entertained.

I am actually glad to hear that Bach. I really do respect you. But I don't feel you are fair and I will jump on that. You've known me a long time. I have always done this.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Sure looked good today. But let's only pick and choose those statistics that help YOUR "objective" statistical argument.

Yes, his numbers looked good, and he played fairly. However, over half his yards were YAC and both TDs were due to Austin busting his *** and breaking several tackles.

On the other hand, he looked dreadful against New York and Denver, and nothing more than average against Carolina.

Keep in mind, I have ALWAYS been one of the biggest Romo supporters around, and still am. But to say we'll win because he is good when healthy when his performance so far this year says otherwise is reaching.

 

[khiladi]

The problem is, our red zone offense is sucking right now and average teams normally don't miss their tackles...

 

[JonJon]

the Jets also were 4-12 that year.

Who knows? All I know is we play Atlanta after a bye and will be getting key personnel back.

I can't wait.

It sure would be sweet revenge to all those Giants fans that rubbed it in my face and have been rubbing it in ever since. We started 5-0 that year, btw..Just sayin......

 

[theogt]

Yes, his numbers looked good, and he played fairly. However, over half his yards were YAC and both TDs were due to Austin busting his *** and breaking several tackles.

On the other hand, he looked dreadful against New York and Denver, and nothing more than average against Carolina.

Keep in mind, I have ALWAYS been one of the biggest Romo supporters around, and still am. But to say we'll win because he is good when healthy when his performance so far this year says otherwise is reaching.

I'm fully aware that you want to restrict your statistical analysis to a couple games this season when it suits you and expand your statistical analysis to literally decades old statistics at other times when it suits you.

But, you just can't and have (intelligent) people take you seriously. Sorry, that's just how it works.

 

[Hostile]

You said in the post there were no signs of this team not making the playoffs. I said your football IQ was not high enough if you do not see the signs of trouble for this team not making the playoffs. You came back and said "I dont see the signs? you want to bet?" Implying you did see the signs...

Hos I know you are smart enough to know there are signs of trouble so of course Im not going to make that bet because Im sure youve posted somewhere about it. But your orignial post, where you claimed there were no signs in these first five games, was incorrect.

Smart move not to take the bet. I am not an idiot. Not about football. I will match football smarts with anyone on this forum any time. I will take my licks but I will dish some out too. I take great offense to being told I don't have a football IQ. That's straight up bull.

I said, there are no signs at week 5 with 11 weeks left. No one can tell which 12 teams will make the playoffs for certain after week 5. Not one single solitary man walking this earth. You can make some good guesses with the undefeated teams we know are good.

But all 12?

You honestly want to sit there and look me in the eye and tell me you know all 12 playoff teams. By all means, wow me.

If you get all 12 right, I will buy you a paver at the new stadium.

 

[Bach]

Explain away the 2007 Giants Bach.

This ought to be good.

Ah, I see. The hope for the magical turnaround.

I also remember how all those posters in 2000 and 2001 kept pointing out how the '99 Rams went from 5-11 in '98 to the Super Bowl. That really worked out well for our 5-11 teams.

I do agree though, that hope is a great thing. But that still doesn't mean trends don't exist or are irrelevant.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Explain away the 2007 Giants Bach.

This ought to be good.

The 2007 Giants had a good coach who had proven his ability in the past

That, and they werent mentally weak.

Could we turn it around? Sure, we have the talent. Will we? Our play thus far, coupled with our trend to fade in December and Wade's proven inability to adapt, says we wont

 

[theogt]

I've abandoned nothing. I made my argument. I can only say the same thing so many times.

No, you have abandoned it. And can't go back to it, because it's kaput.

 

[Hostile]

Ah, I see. The hope for the magical turnaround.

I also remember how all those posters in 2000 and 2001 kept pointing out how the '99 Rams went from 5-11 in '98 to the Super Bowl. That really worked out well for our 5-11 teams.

I do agree though, that hope is a great thing. But that still doesn't mean trends don't exist or are irrelevant.

Ah, so you can admit it is too soon to wave a white flag.

I sincerely apologize. Thank you for proving me wrong.

 

[peplaw06]

I just gotta say this thread is great entertainment.... :laugh2:

 

[jimmy40]

I'll tell you who should apologize and that's Larry Johnson, to his teamates, his coaches, his fans, his owners, the NFL and basically to anyone who saw that pathetic effort he put out today. The NFL should take his game pay and give it to Miles Austin.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

well played.

Thanks, but I'll probably be ignored again.

:laugh2:

 

[The30YardSlant]

No, you have abandoned it. And can't go back to it, because it's kaput.

Sure I can

Record in final 11 games:

2005: 6-5
2006: 6-5
2007: 8-3 (But 2-2 in December)
2008: 5-6

Our final 11 games are far tougher this year than in any of the above years.

Wade Phillips record in final 11 games as a head coach:

1993: 6-5
1994: 6-5
1998: 7-4
1999: 7-4
2000: 6-5
2007: 8-3 (But 2-2 in December)
2008: 5-6

He has never had a December over .500 as a head coach for a full season.

You've still done nothing to refute, other than saying Romo's record as a starter "when healthy" (a completely arbitrary statement that assumes he wasnt healthy in games in which he wasnt listed on the injury report) says we will win 75% of our remaining games.

That's deep, man

 

[utrunner07]

Smart move not to take the bet. I am not an idiot. Not about football. I will match football smarts with anyone on this forum any time. I will take my licks but I will dish some out too. I take great offense to being told I don't have a football IQ. That's straight up bull.

I said, there are no signs at week 5 with 11 weeks left. No one can tell which 12 teams will make the playoffs for certain after week 5. Not one single solitary man walking this earth. You can make some good guesses with the undefeated teams we know are good.

But all 12?

You honestly want to sit there and look me in the eye and tell me you know all 12 playoff teams. By all means, wow me.

If you get all 12 right, I will buy you a paver at the new stadium.

I still think there are signs that this team is in trouble of not making the playoffs. I think at this point in the season you can see which teams are in trouble and which team look poised to make a run. We are in trouble. Undoubtedly it can be turned around but still, signs say we are in at least a bit of trouble, simply by play and the division we are in.