DMN: BLOG: James Marten cut to make room for Mike Jefferson

[LeonDixson]

My response was to those Rudy fans who took the option to discredit Jefferson just to boost up Amendola.

Don't deny that it happened. And since you are one of his supporters, your pathetic attempt at trying to appear unbiased when you have an agenda of your own is very amusing. Acknowledging an area he needs to improve in doesn't count for being neutral, no matter how hard you try.

Your "response" was not a response at all. It was you initiating conflict in this thread when not a single person that I read had even mentioned Amendola's name in this thread. You brought the agenda into it and Tomson called you out for it.

I agree with a lot of your posts, but not this time. Admit you were wrong.

 

[bbgun]

Do people actually talk like this?

Fo shizzle they do.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

it stinks...becuse we lost erick walden....but if Holland pans out...we can overcome this loss. But I think it is time we start taking a look at ALL of these backup OL...this staff should have ZERO allegiance to any of them...and it sounds like they are not progressing...maybe the addition of Holland and the subtraction of Marten will wake ALL of them up. I mean next season, we will be playing in the best stadium THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN, we have talent to compete at a high level for a long time... as a backup, how does this not motivate you to want to be a part of this? If you cannot stay in shape, get stronger, become a better student of the game going against some of the best in the business everyday, you are either not good enough or not professional enough to realize the opportunity in front of you.

 

[bbgun]

Your "response" was not a response at all. It was you initiating conflict in this thread when not a single person that I read had even mentioned Amendola's name in this thread. You brought the agenda into it and Tomson called you out for it.

Actually, Wade made Amendola relevant by promoting one guy but not the other. It's only natural to speculate why.

 

[igtmfo]

I remind myself that although Parcells wasn't around for the 2007 draft, Jeff Ireland and Brian Gaine were among the head honchos for that draft, and they've both (happily?) moved on to Miami.

Here's hoping Ciskowski doesn't have as many whiffs or as we did in 2006 and2007.

2005 was awesome, but I don't think it was just that we had high picks to work with; Barber, Canty and Ratliff were round 4 and later.

2006 and 07 drafts have been a little shaky: Deon Anderson and Folk are the only starters from then I think. Hatcher, Fasano, Watkins (and maybe Spencer) the only other proven contributors:

06: Carpenter, Fasano, Hatcher, S. Green, Watkins, Montavius Stanley, McQuistan, EJ Whitley.

07: Spencer, Marten, Stanback, Free, Folk, Anderson, Courtney Brown, Alan Ball.

For the record, here's our current talent-evaluating lineup per changes earlier this year:

"The Cowboys also finalized their entire scouting department, which included the addition of Bill Dekraker, who has scouted for Carolina, Washington and Arizona. The Cowboys also changed some roles for veteran scouts such as Walter Juliff, Sam Garza and Drew Fabianich.

Tom Ciskowski - Director of College and Pro Scouting
Chris Hall - College Scouting Coordinator
Drew Fabianich - National Scout
Walter Juliff - National Scout
Bill Dekraker - Midwest Area Scout
Sam Garza - Southwest Area Scout
Mitch LaPoint - Southeast Area Scout
Henry Sroka - West Area Scout
John Wojciechowski - Northeast Area Scout
Judd Garrett - Assistant Director of Pro Scouting
Will McClay - Pro Scout
Keith O'Quinn - Pro Scout
Jim Dodson - Pro Scouting Assistant"

 

[JackMagist]

I know we need another WR on the active roster and I guess Jefferson is the best option. I just hope we don't have to count too heavily on him. I wish I had seen something from him to give me some confidence. He made a few nice plays but he also made some very poor plays. And on several plays I did not see the effort that I would expect from a pro and more particularly from a young guy trying to make the team. He should have been playing all out and leaving everything on the field...he did not.

 

[tomson75]

Thanks igtmfo. Thats some good info there.

 

[wick]

Since getting two long-time NFLers in the 1998 draft (Flozell Adams and Oliver Ross), our OL picks have been a disaster.

James Marten (3)
Doug Free (4)
Pat McQuistan (7)
E.J. Whitley (7)
Rob Petitti (6)
Jacob Rogers (2)
Stephen Peterman (3)
Al Johnson (2)
Justin Bates (7)
Andre Gurode (2)
Tyson Walter (6)
Matt Lehr (5)
Char-ron Dorsey (7)
Solomon Page (2)
Kelvin Garmon (7)

Maybe we should stop trying to find offensive linemen at the end of the draft.

 

[LeonDixson]

Since getting two long-time NFLers in the 1998 draft (Flozell Adams and Oliver Ross), our OL picks have been a disaster.

James Marten (3)
Doug Free (4)
Pat McQuistan (7)
E.J. Whitley (7)
Rob Petitti (6)
Jacob Rogers (2)
Stephen Peterman (3)
Al Johnson (2)
Justin Bates (7)
Andre Gurode (2)
Tyson Walter (6)
Matt Lehr (5)
Char-ron Dorsey (7)
Solomon Page (2)
Kelvin Garmon (7)

Maybe we should stop trying to find offensive linemen at the end of the draft.

Gurode was an excellent pick, albeit not a late round pick.

 

[JohnnyMac]

Marten gave me Shane Hannah flashbacks

 

[Rack]

It lets you know they're not just keeping guys because they were a high pick.

I don't buy that. Marten should not have made the roster the first time. He did absolutely nothing worthy of making the team.


And we also kept Ball over Oglesby, so the evidence shows otherwise.

 

[CowboyChris]

congrats to Jefferson making the team, but clearly this has to be the last possible option the team had, if indeed we had been a player in the offseason to acquire a talented veteran WR, its now clear that plan failed. from the little i seen of Jefferson in the preseason, i thought he played pretty decent, i doubt he will unseat Austin or Hurd as a 3rd or 4th WR. :starspin

 

[theogt]

I don't buy that. Marten should not have made the roster the first time. He did absolutely nothing worthy of making the team.


And we also kept Ball over Oglesby, so the evidence shows otherwise.

I think that had more to do with cost ($$$) and special teams contribution. Neither was going to see the field on defense.

 

[Rack]

I think that had more to do with cost ($$$) and special teams contribution. Neither was going to see the field on defense.

Good point. Although I didn't see anything Special out of ball on Special teams.

It still sucks to see a guy perform so well (in practice) and get cut anyway. I'd understand if he were the last DB on the roster, but to keep someone far and away lesser than him is annoying.

I guess I still have after effects of us cutting Aaron Glenn last year, then ended up having to start that sorry POS Jack Reeves for half a season. Yes, it didn't really effect our record, but we still lost a much better player than Reeves. And Wade can't give me any of his "Progress Stopper" BS cuz we didn't even end up keeping Reeves.

All it did was help Reeves get incredibly overpaid in the offseason, it did nothing for us.

 

[theogt]

Good point. Although I didn't see anything Special out of ball on Special teams.

Apparently he had a ton of ST tackles in that 4th game.

It still sucks to see a guy perform so well (in practice) and get cut anyway. I'd understand if he were the last DB on the roster, but to keep someone far and away lesser than him is annoying.

Totally agreed. I don't see how you couldn't teach Oglesby ST. But then there's still the issue of him costing a couple million more over the next couple of years.

I guess I still have after effects of us cutting Aaron Glenn last year, then ended up having to start that sorry POS Jack Reeves for half a season. Yes, it didn't really effect our record, but we still lost a much better player than Reeves. And Wade can't give me any of his "Progress Stopper" BS cuz we didn't even end up keeping Reeves.

All it did was help Reeves get incredibly overpaid in the offseason, it did nothing for us.

Hell, if we kept Glenn, the Giants wouldn't have made that last minute TD in the 1st half.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Apparently he had a ton of ST tackles in that 4th game.

Totally agreed. I don't see how you couldn't teach Oglesby ST. But then there's still the issue of him costing a couple million more over the next couple of years.

Hell, if we kept Glenn, the Giants wouldn't have made that last minute TD in the 1st half.

If we kept Glenn we would prob have 6 trophies rite now.

 

[Alexander]

Actually, Wade made Amendola relevant by promoting one guy but not the other. It's only natural to speculate why.

Of course he didn't. It not a case of promoting the better player. It was all about scheme familiarity and experience, because we should all know Amendola is better.

The Wes Welker II dream is still alive because he is clinging to the practice squad. Were you not watching Hard Knocks? He is a great person and we need more like him.

 

[Alexander]

I don't give a damn what you think.

Obviously, you do. You felt compelled to reply to something that was not even directed personally to you. I didn't quote you or really anyone else.

It referred directly to the comments many made in a Jefferson or Amendola thread not long ago. And you felt obligated to "call me out"? Sounds to me that you had a dog in the race to defend.

But nevermind, you were being the agendaless paragon of neutrality, right?

 

[tomson75]

Of course he didn't. It not a case of promoting the better player. It was all about scheme familiarity and experience, because we should all know Amendola is better. :rolleyes

The Wes Welker II dream is still alive because he is clinging to the practice squad. Were you not watching Hard Knocks? He is a great person and we need more like him.

I see you're still clinging to that agenda. Are you incapable of addressing anything else?

 

[tomson75]

Obviously, you do. You felt compelled to reply to something that was not even directed personally to you. I didn't quote you or really anyone else.

It referred directly to the comments many made in a Jefferson or Amendola thread not long ago. And you felt obligated to "call me out"? Sounds to me that you had a dog in the race to defend.

But nevermind, you were being the agendaless paragon of neutrality, right?

Lmao...I've readily admitted to going after people like you. I've never tried to hide it. That certainly is no reflection on my attitude towards Jefferson. I'm simply calling you out on your transparent attempts to justify your disapproval of Amendola and his supporters. I think it's pretty obvious to anyone that pays any attention whatsoever to your posts.

Again, how does me defending Amendola make me biased? How am I not being neutral here. You, on the other hand....