DMN: ESPN's John Clayton: 'I really do' think Manziel's time with Cleveland is over; Dallas...

[Yakuza Rich]

The addiction problems didn't bother the 1990's Cowboys much

How many of them were free agents or trades that we picked up the problem?

Seriously, I don't recall any. It's a different scenario when a player you drafted or signed as a UDFA turns into a good player and develops a drug problem versus picking up a player that already has a drug problem.

I think Clayton doesn't know what he is talking about. Cleveland would be lucky to get a trade worth ANY value for Manziel. I don't hate the kid and I think he has some potential, but his potential is FAR FAR below what even his most ardent supporters thought it could be judging by his play out there.

For instance, I thought he played well in the Cincy game a couple of months ago, but his supporting cast stunk. Even still, there's a lot of deficiencies in his game. He struggles to throw out of the pocket because of his lack of height and he's just not very fast to beat defenses with his legs.

Combine that with his off-the-field issues and the Browns are lucky to get anything more than a 6th round pick for the guy.

With that being said, I'm not completely buying into Clayton's statements. It appears that Jimmy Haslam wanted Manziel there while Ray Farmer and Mike Pettine didn't. Farmer and Pettine are reportedly gone after today and I don't know if Haslam is all too happy with how Manziel has been handled by those two. Like it or not, Manziel volunteered to go to rehab and him drinking is not against the law nor is it really anybody's business unless he's showing up for work drunk or breaking the law with his drinking. I actually think a lot of this ties into if Manziel has failed a league mandated drug test (first offense) and a second violation would lead to a 4-game suspension. If he hasn't failed a test yet, perhaps Haslam is going to give him another chance next season.






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[HanfordDixon]

Not a fan of this idea at all. I have felt for awhile now that Jerry forced the Hardy signing, trying to replicate the Haley scenario from 20 years ago. That and other moves to add questionable character players (White, Michael) really upset the great locker room chemistry this team had last year. Mincey finally lent some credence to that notion last week. Dallas doesn't need any more divisive weak-willed players infiltrating the locker room. They need to let Garrett's mantra of drafting guys who do things "the right way" guide the way. Just say No to Johhny ****** Goofball.

 

[rags747]

I dont like him


do you know he wasn't ready for a game because he was home in bed from a hangover?
one of his team mates called him a 100% joke? a team mate!
after his 72 day treatment a film showed up with him partying in texas drinking
his a party boy

BTW, his teammates all love the guy, say he is a much changed man. His issue this year was during their break week ala Romo and Witten at Cabo. I see no issue with him partying during their off week.

 

[Cmac]

I'm really torn about Manziel.

And I have to ask everybody here..

why are you so judgemental about Johnny Football?

As far as I know..he hasn't been arrested for public intoxication..

not arrested for driving while intoxicated..

hasn't flashed little OL' ladies at a bus stop..

Isn't a fugitive from an animal cruelty bench warrant..

the over reaction comes from what the press and the media wanting to smear the guys potential becuz he was so hyped in college and many people thought he didn't deserve it being only a 2 year starter.

He has done nothing to anybody and if he has an addiction problem..

It's his business and no one else's and if a team wants a Prima Ballerina for a QB then that is their privilege.

But this nonsense about he's a train wreck and can't be trusted better not take too close a look at our owner.

This guy drinks like a fish, can't be trusted to make good decisions and is a multi-billionaire.

And he wants Manziel.

The fans need to grow up and stop letting the haters run their world.

Manziel would be a perfect landing spot and we might win a world championship before the next decade is up..

Romo couldn't do it.

What I hope is that Jerrah doesn't make another huge mistake like he did when he took Ellis over Randy Moss because of character issues.

This is again what is driving the conversation and we lost last time playing that game.

And frankly, Jerrah should have taken Manziel last year when he had the chance.?and he should have drafted Moss.

If he gets another chance at Manziel..he shouldn't miss it this time.

.....Wow

This team would immediately become the laughing stock.....2 or 3 notches more than it is now.

 

[Cmac]

....but RG3 has a death sentence. I guess some of us would prefer it being worse when watching this team but enjoying the love fest with Johnny and hating on Roger the moment he suspends him.

 

[RW31]

BTW, his teammates all love the guy, say he is a much changed man. His issue this year was during their break week ala Romo and Witten at Cabo. I see no issue with him partying during their off week.

Complete ********, stop making **** up. And no there's nothing wrong with the average guy partying. If you have all kinds of addictions, a guy who can't stay away from the spotlight, who doesn't have any self awareness to realize that he becomes a distraction whenever he goes out partying, he becomes a distraction to the team, he's a locker room cancer, that's an issue. That's why this idiot shouldn't be partying or gambling or drinking in public. And all that is only going to get worse if he were to play for the Cowboys. You don't hand this idiot the keys to your franchise.

 

[Cmac]

Not a fan of this idea at all. I have felt for awhile now that Jerry forced the Hardy signing, trying to replicate the Haley scenario from 20 years ago. That and other moves to add questionable character players (White, Michael) really upset the great locker room chemistry this team had last year. Mincey finally lent some credence to that notion last week. Dallas doesn't need any more divisive weak-willed players infiltrating the locker room. They need to let Garrett's mantra of drafting guys who do things "the right way" guide the way. Just say No to Johhny ****** Goofball.

Agree with you overall, however......not sure Mincey (unproductive) or letting JG mantra of drafting guys who do things "right way" lends any credence to what you're saying.

Johnny needs to thank Mike Evans for getting him in the league. Johnny's hat size has grown continuously since the Heisman. He is a celebrity QB, in the news for all the wrong reasons (ala Romo early years). You don't live in Cleveland!!! (ala Sam Wyche)

 

[jnday]

This is a different era.

The league won't stand for it... And really the fan base won't either.

Do you really think that the same things are not happening today?

 

[Cmac]

Love Fests coming soon:

TCU QB Kohlhausen
Penn State QB Hattenberg

 

[Fredd]

The Jones gang really hasn't cared about winning in quite a while - they are more than profitable, any publicity is good publicity and Johnny (lack of) Football (acumen) is a way to make sure people will talk "Dallas Cowboys" no matter what. Let's say they make a trade to get him, and during the season, Tony gets hurt....the billion eyes that will watching Manziel play QB for Dallas will be staggering - an about 75 % of those eyes will be to watch him and Dallas fail....Jones will eat that media up....

...I can't believe that A LOT of people in here are behind this....I have the same thoughts as I did in the draft - hiding my eyes until someone else took him; I will be looking to see who we get to STOP THE MADNESS of bringing this punk to the Dallas Cowboys....

JUST SAY NO to drugs and in this case, JUST SAY NO to Manziel

 

[DandyDon52]

Because you described that place perfectly, it wouldn't shock me if he's trying to get traded.

yes it is possible he took the video on purpose, and wants cleveland to let him go and hopes to land in dallas.
I could tell on draft day he did not want to go to cleveland.
So if he wanted to play for cowboys all along then he could be doing at least some things on purpose.

cowboys could get him cheap for 2 years, and see how it goes.

 

[jnday]

Complete bull****, stop making **** up. And no there's nothing wrong with the average guy partying. If you have all kinds of addictions, a guy who can't stay away from the spotlight, who doesn't have any self awareness to realize that he becomes a distraction whenever he goes out partying, he becomes a distraction to the team, he's a locker room cancer, that's an issue. That's why this idiot shouldn't be partying or gambling or drinking in public. And all that is only going to get worse if he were to play for the Cowboys. You don't hand this idiot the keys to your franchise.

He is just a kid and kids outgrow the party lifestyle. Some of you act like you never had a good time in your life:

 

[rynochop]

Apparently he was in a Las Vegas casino last night, drinking,gambling. Probably a cool dude, don't want him qb.ing my team

 

[Cowboy_Shawn]

I always got the impression that Haslam likes Manziel and wants him to play and that Pettine doesn't want anything to do with JM.

Now with Pettine supposedly being fired after today I think it's a virtual lock Manziel returns to Cleveland for at least one more year.

 

[RW31]

He is just a kid and kids outgrow the party lifestyle. Some of you act like you never had a good time in your life:

Enough with this "he's just a kid" horse **** already. He's a grown man, he'd be the face of a billion dollar business. You have to be absolutely brain dead to give him that responsibility. He can't handle it, he has never shown that he can. Even in a **** market he couldn't get his crap together. Stop acting like he's some random 13 year old that got hammered the first time. He's got responsibilities, other peoples lives (livelihoods) are at stake. People are counting on him and he's shown over and over again that he can't be counted on. He's a lying, selfish sack of ****, a drug addict, a cokehead who doesn't care about anybody but himself. There is absolutely nothing that would suggest he can handle a starting job, there is absolutely nothing that suggest he has changed or even started to changed. He is a complete idiot that will be out of the NFL within 2 years a la Jamarcus Russell. And then 5 years from now he's gonna attempt a comeback because at some point he's gonna grow and smarten up, but it'll be too late by then. Another Vince Young, only dumber and less talented.

 

[Alexander]

Apparently he was in a Las Vegas casino last night, drinking,gambling. Probably a cool dude, don't want him qb.ing my team

He is trying quite hard to get out.

The right way. He is showing fight, relentless spirit. Stacking one drinking event on top of the other.

 

[Cowboy_Shawn]

Apparently he was in a Las Vegas casino last night, drinking,gambling. Probably a cool dude, don't want him qb.ing my team

I read that the whole Vegas thing was inaccurate. It's semi-believable so everyone ran with it w/o checking for accuracy.

Also, don't teams have walk thru's and other team activities on the day before a game?

 

[rynochop]

He is trying quite hard to get out.

The right way. He is showing fight, relentless spirit. Stacking one drinking event on top of the other.

Like when George costanza was trying to get fired from the yankees

 

[Alexander]

I read that the whole Vegas thing was inaccurate. It's semi-believable so everyone ran with it w/o checking for accuracy.

Also, don't teams have walk thru's and other team activities on the day before a game?

Yes, I saw that he has an Instagram alibi. But it just amazes me that he has basically drinking paparazzi following him around.

It is like a cottage industry. Bell boys, bartenders, waitresses, bathroom attendants, all on watch for him and with TMZ having them on speed dial. Never seen anything like it.

 

[camelboy]

Something keeps running in my mind that Johnny and Jerry schemed this, undisciplined, addiction, under-performing spell at Cleveland so they give up on him and Jerry picks him up for cheap....

To me he so far he didn't show the RKG attributes and therefore I don't wanna see him here .. but crazy things happen